India Team Discussion

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Why disturb Dravid when he's working so superbly at the grassroots level? Anyways the head coach is more of a man management job, which others (or even foreigners can do).

To me, this is nothing huge! Hope Dravid also keeps his eye on the upcoming talents and works with whoever is appointed as the NCA head.

I feel this is huge because Of the exact thing you mentioned, Man Management.

We need someone who can do good man management. We have been so bad at it. I hope he and others help Kohli and others get better with man management.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

A big pop up to the unsung hero of the coaching staff - Bharat Arun.

He has really been instrumental in shaping the Indian attack into the world class & even picked up few and then elevated them into a world class performers (the likes of Siraj for instance was a Bharat Arun Pick) and played crucial role is shaping up his career.

He is one of the reasons why our bowling lineup was good in all the overseas Tenure and regularly picked up 20 wickets in overseas condition.

But Paras Mhambrey is a good replacement as he was incharge of the A tour and U19s alongside Dravid, so hopefully he carry on the good work done before.

 

[icyman]

Why disturb Dravid when he's working so superbly at the grassroots level? Anyways the head coach is more of a man management job, which others (or even foreigners can do).

Personally, not in favour of Dravid taking this up. I would have been happy if he were to take charge of the Indian tam post the CWC2023. That ,is actually the time when the likes of Sharma, Kohli and other seniors fade out. Jay Shah's insistence that the senior crop will fade out over the 2 years spells doom for the future of cricket in our country.

In terms of foreigners, seems that Hesson was the 1st choice until recently- that is, until when Kohli stepped away. To Moody, the eternal bridesmaid would have been an excellent choice as he has proven his skills over and over again with many countries/ IPL teams What baffles me is the BCCI overlooked these two and instead asked the likes of Jayawardene and Ponting directly. I mean, if you want to approach a coach on the basis of the IPL performance, why not talk to Stephen Fleming?

But Paras Mhambrey is a good replacement as he was incharge of the A tour and U19s alongside Dravid, so hopefully he carry on the good work done before.

Excellent choice!

My major worry though is with the succession planning at the grass root level. Dravid and Paras have done an excellent job at this level. Who will take over from them? Ideally, the BCCI should've hunted for a replacement here first, than focussing on the main team. The main team could have been handed over temporarily to anyone. Gavaskar, Shastri and Lalchand have done it in the past. Heck ,Ganguly could have taken over the reigns for the NZ series.

Appointing the coach of the national side seems a bit fishy cause the entire process has been rushed.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Personally, not in favour of Dravid taking this up. I would have been happy if he were to take charge of the Indian tam post the CWC2023. That ,is actually the time when the likes of Sharma, Kohli and other seniors fade out. Jay Shah's insistence that the senior crop will fade out over the 2 years spells doom for the future of cricket in our country.

In terms of foreigners, seems that Hesson was the 1st choice until recently- that is, until when Kohli stepped away. To Moody, the eternal bridesmaid would have been an excellent choice as he has proven his skills over and over again with many countries/ IPL teams What baffles me is the BCCI overlooked these two and instead asked the likes of Jayawardene and Ponting directly. I mean, if you want to approach a coach on the basis of the IPL performance, why not talk to Stephen Fleming?

I think Jayawardene declined it.

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Similar story with Fleming I guess back in the day similarly Mike Hussey & Dan Vettori were approached too back in 2016 before the appointment of Kumble the latter was more so because of Kohli & RCB.

 

[SaiSrini]

Personally, not in favour of Dravid taking this up. I would have been happy if he were to take charge of the Indian tam post the CWC2023. That ,is actually the time when the likes of Sharma, Kohli and other seniors fade out. Jay Shah's insistence that the senior crop will fade out over the 2 years spells doom for the future of cricket in our country.

In terms of foreigners, seems that Hesson was the 1st choice until recently- that is, until when Kohli stepped away. To Moody, the eternal bridesmaid would have been an excellent choice as he has proven his skills over and over again with many countries/ IPL teams What baffles me is the BCCI overlooked these two and instead asked the likes of Jayawardene and Ponting directly. I mean, if you want to approach a coach on the basis of the IPL performance, why not talk to Stephen Fleming?



Excellent choice!

My major worry though is with the succession planning at the grass root level. Dravid and Paras have done an excellent job at this level. Who will take over from them? Ideally, the BCCI should've hunted for a replacement here first, than focussing on the main team. The main team could have been handed over temporarily to anyone. Gavaskar, Shastri and Lalchand have done it in the past. Heck ,Ganguly could have taken over the reigns for the NZ series.

Appointing the coach of the national side seems a bit fishy cause the entire process has been rushed.

I remember reading somewhere that Fleming doesn’t want the stress of traveling long periods with a team and away from family. I guess pretty similar for Mahela too. That’s why getting foreign coach is hard now because they don’t have the connection to invest in a long period with the National team with all the chaotic travel and schedules. When Wright joined, Indian cricket calendar was not this chaotic. It changed with Kirsten who didn’t want to extend beyond 2011 WC. Coaching IPL is easy - 2 months game time + few weeks of prep.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I remember reading somewhere that Fleming doesn’t want the stress of traveling long periods with a team and away from family. I guess pretty similar for Mahela too. That’s why getting foreign coach is hard now because they don’t have the connection to invest in a long period with the National team with all the chaotic travel and schedules. When Wright joined, Indian cricket calendar was not this chaotic. It changed with Kirsten who didn’t want to extend beyond 2011 WC. Coaching IPL is easy - 2 months game time + few weeks of prep.

Yes, cricket has definitely changed in the last 10-12 years. I do not think any foreign coach would be willing to stay away from the family 300 days in a calendar year. India plays too much of cricket and that definitely makes them think twice. In the next 147 days (18th March 2022), India play T20 WC, home series against New Zealand, play away in South Africa, come back to play West Indies and Sri Lanka. The gap is so thin that if India is to play the finals of the T20 WC on 14th November, they play the first T20 game in India against New Zealand on 16th November.

 

[SaiSrini]

I think cricket needs to move towards “format-specific staff”. For eg. A test match coach and a limited overs coach. Be in communication to smooth out any transitional jerks. Unless they do this, getting folks to signup for long term investment is going to get impossible.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I think cricket needs to move towards “format-specific staff”. For eg. A test match coach and a limited overs coach. Be in communication to smooth out any transitional jerks. Unless they do this, getting folks to signup for long term investment is going to get impossible.

Don't think it would be the wisest ideas to have different coaching staffs. The players tend to build up a certain level of understanding and a personal touch with the coach. If we have different coaches it would lead to a bad environment in the dressing rooms because some would tend to give more importance to a specific coach than the one concerned with the format.

 

[SaiSrini]

Don't think it would be the wisest ideas to have different coaching staffs. The players tend to build up a certain level of understanding and a personal touch with the coach. If we have different coaches it would lead to a bad environment in the dressing rooms because some would tend to give more importance to a specific coach than the one concerned with the format.

That will ease out when format specific players are chosen more. Which means very few players play across formats. Already players are retiring from formats to prolong careers.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't think Indian Team 'needs' a coach. It might need a team manager.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I don't think Indian Team 'needs' a coach. It might need a team manager.

I feel that is not a good approach for cricket. I know Baseball has managers and not coaches if I am correct. While we have some good talent, nurturing the talent is the role of a good talented coach. The coach has to be the one who can say that something is right or wrong. Someone who can correct a technique that's wrong and is there for players as a guide.

 

[icyman]

I agree to an extent with the title of a 'Manager'. Shastri and Fletcher probably wouldn't spend their time ironing out flaws. They would spend more time on strategy, with specialists being hired to tackle individual areas.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

So now Ganguly has said Dravid needs more time and is not sure on coaching the side. Whatever Dravid decides will be best for India anyways. If he decides to stay at grassroot level, good.. if not being a coach? Good.

 

[icyman]

So now Ganguly has said Dravid needs more time and is not sure on coaching the side. Whatever Dravid decides will be best for India anyways. If he decides to stay at grassroot level, good.. if not being a coach? Good.

I think he will assume the role of 'Director, Cricket Operations'. The coaches hired would then report into Dravid- this would mean coaches at all levels reporting into him- India, India A & India U-19. The role could be more comprehensive and Dravid could pick nd choose the tours he intends to go on.Say, he would avoid going to Bangladesh, but might be interested in following the team to Australia. Akin to what Richard Pybus is doing with the West Indies.

 

[abhi_jacko]

BTW, what happened to Jay and Ganguly's BCCI terms? Weren't they expired and they were supposed to be fresh elections this year

Still see them both working in the same capacity