India tour of Australia Nov'20-Jan'21

I heard that these teams are based on the public voting. So Kohli definitely will have alot of advantage in this case.

Who the hell cares?

I have disabled all social media notifications so I don't follow any trends anymore. But, my WhatsApp cricket group has been buzzing and the Pakistani media seems to be losing their tops. If I were them, I'd be more worried about the test match in progress. The fact that England won the World Cup on boundary count says a lot about the ICC. Also, as far as India and Pakistan go, they need a reason to fight. So, god help them. And Pakistan will accept being called no.1 in T20 cricket when they were not but not accept this? Indians will be boasting about Kohli as test captain when reality is that the gap between him and Williamson is just slightly more than the Pacific Ocean.

As I said, it's a joke.
 
World class rebuttal. Who as a test captain would you say had a better decade? Not having a dig, just curious which way you'd go.

It is easy to look at matches played, results achieved etc.

First of all, cricket has no structure. India plays a whole heap of cricket much more than any other country. The amount of hype Tendulkar and Zaheer generate in our country before Kohli and Bumrah was as if they were walking gods. If you see Kallis' test records, he has almost the same numbers as them put together with bat and ball!!!!

Second, you see the resources at Kohli's disposal and the power he holds and the amount he has played at home?

For me, four captains stand out in the decade-

1) Kane Williamson- You see how much he has to play with and the team he has got around him. No question, Baz left him a foundation but as did Dhoni. You see the number of lesser players that have come through under him although he or those players never ever get the credit for it- a) BJ Watling who is by far the best keeper batsman in the world is never ever mentioned as that. But, he had his fair share of issues becoming a mainstay in the side but Williamson backed him to the hilt. Colin de Grandhomme is regularly yielding wickets with the new ball and also making crucial runs at the bottom. Henry Nicholls has evolved into a solid middle order batsman while Latham has become a fantastic middle order bat in the white ball format. These guys have all gone though scars but KW never lifted the lid on them. Less said about his conduct in victory and defeat, the better. Probably, the Roger Federer of cricket.

2) Brendon McCullum- For me, NZ cricket was headed the WI route until Baz came about and only how Baz could just took NZ cricket and wrangled it's neck upside down and established a culture that is still prevalent today. He also took over at a time where there was plenty on in team politics surrounding him and Taylor but it was all resolved amicably and even if they aren't best mates, NZ cricket was put first and they were all pro about it.

3) Tim Paine- His batting is under rated and to do what he has in the short space of time after the sheer tatters Aussie cricket was in after SA and the manner in which he has gone about it- Pure class!

4) Misbah Ul Haq- I am unsure when the spot fixing scandal took place but it was probably early 11 or late 10 and I don't need to elaborate on the turmoil PAK cricket was in at the time. They still don't have cricket at home but at least Misbah put a sense of respectability back on the face of PAK cricket and then took them to number 1 with some quite brilliant performances abroad.

If you just want to look at it from a results point of view, then both Williamson and Paine have won big series overseas which Kohli only did once in Australia when the two main Aussie batters were out. So, yes, numbers can say one thing but if you really compare resources and hardships to results, Kohli is absolutely nowhere. No other captain in the world is the be all and end all of their cricketing decisions or enjoys this level of power and remuneration.
 
It is easy to look at matches played, results achieved etc.
I think it's Stewart Lee routine that featured the line: "You can prove anything with facts."

If you just want to look at it from a results point of view, then both Williamson and Paine have won big series overseas which Kohli only did once in Australia when the two main Aussie batters were out. So, yes, numbers can say one thing but if you really compare resources and hardships to results, Kohli is absolutely nowhere. No other captain in the world is the be all and end all of their cricketing decisions or enjoys this level of power and remuneration.
FYI

Kane Williamson's 'big' overseas successes so far is a great win against Pakistan and a 2-0 win in Zimbabwe.

Tim Paine has never won an overseas series. And has lost the same number of series as Kohli already.
 
I think it's Stewart Lee routine that featured the line: "You can prove anything with facts."


FYI

Kane Williamson's 'big' overseas successes so far is a great win against Pakistan and a 2-0 win in Zimbabwe.

Tim Paine has never won an overseas series. And has lost the same number of series as Kohli already.

You are free to have your opinion. If I start using quotes from my neck of the woods, you'd be up all night searching the internet but finding nothing mate.

Kane Williamson beating Pakistan in the UAE is an enormous deal and you might want to look at how they won it? I keep going back to the same thing again and again i.e resources vs results. If we get into the board and money side of it which definitely contributes to the powers a captain holds then the debate is endless.

Tim Paine basically retained the Ashes when nobody gave them a chance. Take a look at the circumstances Kohli took over from Dhoni and Paine was handed the job. The battery of Indian quicks minus Bumrah had already trialled and errored under MS and both the current spinners are basically groomed under his mastery.

One thing which is beyond doubt and question is that Kohli has improved sustained fast bowling produce and their fitness levels to a scale no Indian captain ever has before. The credit for this, absolutely fully goes to him.
 
I think it's Stewart Lee routine that featured the line: "You can prove anything with facts."


FYI

Kane Williamson's 'big' overseas successes so far is a great win against Pakistan and a 2-0 win in Zimbabwe.

Tim Paine has never won an overseas series. And has lost the same number of series as Kohli already.
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Not me.
 
Back on what we have on hand and that run out was pure stupidity. I understand Jadeja wanted his 50 but run out in test matches is as bad as bowling a wide in test match. I seriously hope Jaddu and Ashwin can get us to a 150 run lead.
 
Well, Starc got the better of Jadeja. Have been telling since yesterday that he has been unlucky and bowling some great spells.
 
Disappointing! Jadeja responsible for both wickets that fell this morning. For a guy that showed incredible patience yesterday, he lost it today. A 110 run lead is still not safe with this wicket easing up every moment.

If Starc continues his 'short ball barrage', I don't think the tail is going to last long enough. 150 lead looks challenging from here. Hope Ashwin and Jadeja find good turn on this pitch to continue troubling the Aussie batsmen. It would be phenomenally awful to lose this test from the position that we were at end of Day 2
 
Well that folded quickly as expected. Run out starting everything but I am sure we will come out stronger. Its the best day to bat but we have an opener struggling, so we need to get as many wickets as possible.
 
Well this is not good. Yadav injured and leaving the field.
 
India 70 short and a bowler down. Test match back in balance and Labuschagne looking very very good!
 
Jinks needs to have a leg slip for Ashwin. If one breaks, Labuschagne will instinctively leg glance it.
 
Umpires call rule rightfully being ripped to shreds in the Fox commentary box by Warne and co. It’s ridiculous that two balls clip the stumps at the same place, but the final decision on both of them, depends on what the umpire decides to do
 

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