Indian tour of South Africa, December-January 2010/11
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Useless post, how about you prove otherwise? Just look at the stats and show me where India outshined SA this series? besides spin bowling...
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Australians out shined England with regard to stats in the 2009 ashes series, yet it is England who won and that is all what matters.
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Rohit Doshi
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Leaving sore losers behind who think India did nothing to draw this series 1-1 and it was only South Africa who played well... Sachin Tendulkar is playing the T20 match and Dhoni said this in the press conference.
Excited to see him play for India.
We will get you in England and don't worry we will kill you badly and then your mouth will be shut
Excited to see him play for India.
We will get you in England and don't worry we will kill you badly and then your mouth will be shut
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At some point of a year international teams have breaks 6 months breaks over the years. I know as a ENG & AUS fan thats tends to happen every other year, which is very important since you dont want cricketers to burn out.
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True, which is why ENG where lucky to win the Ashes last year. But you wont see that happening too often in test history, in where a team who is so ahead statistically in a series ends up losing. Thats why as the old adage goes - cricket is a game of glorious uncertainties.
Not saying that South Africa weren't the better team, they may have been. However, it could be argued that the analysis doesn't count for a huge amount since it included the first test match where the numbers involved were ridiculous as India were thoroughly outplayed. I think it's unlikely that India would've played another match similar to that first one, so it isn't the best analysis to use to suggest the future results.
In sport, it doesn't make sense to predict future results based on not a huge amount of data. India came back strongly to beat South Africa in Durban, and have South Africa at 130/6 in the third innings. That would not at all have been predicted if you just used the first test match.
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A 5 test series is wayyy tougher than 2 or 3 tests series. Over a 5 test series in general the better team always comes out time in test history (very few times in test history has this not been the case). Every ounce of a players mental strenght, talent & recovery stenght is tested.
If the recent Ashes was just 3 test. AUS would have drawn it 1-1 & they would been drawn into a false sense of security, over a 5 test their flaws where well exposed.
IND no doubt earned this 1-1 draw in SA & both sides where even over 3 tests. But two more test would have exposed both teams faults more, in which IND certainly had more for eg:
- If Sehwag had continued to fail. Would India have dropped him for the final test or moved him back down the order?
- Would Dravid have been dropped if he continued to fail?.
- Pujara's continuous early series struggles also could have complicated things.
- If Sharma continued to be ineffective. Surely he would have been dropped & we all saw how useless their debutant in the 1st test was.
So in a way IND had alot of problems waiting to explode if 2 more test where played & the quickest pitch in S Africa i.e Johannesburg wasn't even used this series.
S Africa however had no real problems except for Tsotsobe & Harris.
Now that Tahir is qualified, they could have easily brought him in for the final two test & even if Tsotsobe was persisted with they always had McLaren & De Wet to call upon.
If the recent Ashes was just 3 test. AUS would have drawn it 1-1 & they would been drawn into a false sense of security, over a 5 test their flaws where well exposed.
IND no doubt earned this 1-1 draw in SA & both sides where even over 3 tests. But two more test would have exposed both teams faults more, in which IND certainly had more for eg:
- If Sehwag had continued to fail. Would India have dropped him for the final test or moved him back down the order?
- Would Dravid have been dropped if he continued to fail?.
- Pujara's continuous early series struggles also could have complicated things.
- If Sharma continued to be ineffective. Surely he would have been dropped & we all saw how useless their debutant in the 1st test was.
So in a way IND had alot of problems waiting to explode if 2 more test where played & the quickest pitch in S Africa i.e Johannesburg wasn't even used this series.
S Africa however had no real problems except for Tsotsobe & Harris.
Now that Tahir is qualified, they could have easily brought him in for the final two test & even if Tsotsobe was persisted with they always had McLaren & De Wet to call upon.
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over 5 tests it would have been tough to call. the Saffers came out heavily on top statistically because they dominated the first test so massicvely.
with each match it got closer. by the third they posted nearly identical first innings scores, both held up by their star batsman, dunno how much closer people want it to be.
tbh de villiers, peterson and smith were looking rather lacklustre, smith played pretty identically to sehwag, fast starts but getting out. you can't seperate the batting form of the wicketkeepers and the bowlers, while steyn and morkel were flying, harris and tsotsobe weren't. Singh on the other hand was becoming more of a threat and khan's presence was helping the seamers.
its you that loves to pontificate on absentees due to injury war, khan was injured for the first and once he came back india's attack improved massively.
not saying india would have won, who can say, but the series got closer, no evidence india were hanging on by the skin of their teeth for it to end and escape with a draw.
furthermore on track record, india have come from behind in most series. recent aus series they won the first by the skin of their teeth but in the second they won easily, they squared sri lanka in the last test, each of the series against south africa they have come back to square the series.o. south africa on the other hand have faded as series have gone on losing winning positions in india, losing the last test in england and australia and failing to close out england in a series they were on top of.
with each match it got closer. by the third they posted nearly identical first innings scores, both held up by their star batsman, dunno how much closer people want it to be.
tbh de villiers, peterson and smith were looking rather lacklustre, smith played pretty identically to sehwag, fast starts but getting out. you can't seperate the batting form of the wicketkeepers and the bowlers, while steyn and morkel were flying, harris and tsotsobe weren't. Singh on the other hand was becoming more of a threat and khan's presence was helping the seamers.
its you that loves to pontificate on absentees due to injury war, khan was injured for the first and once he came back india's attack improved massively.
not saying india would have won, who can say, but the series got closer, no evidence india were hanging on by the skin of their teeth for it to end and escape with a draw.
furthermore on track record, india have come from behind in most series. recent aus series they won the first by the skin of their teeth but in the second they won easily, they squared sri lanka in the last test, each of the series against south africa they have come back to square the series.o. south africa on the other hand have faded as series have gone on losing winning positions in india, losing the last test in england and australia and failing to close out england in a series they were on top of.
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Seriously have not seen so many ifs and buts in a long long time. Where is the substance?
1-1 is 1-1. I could easily say that 'if gravity didn't exsist, steyn couldn't bowl the way he did' or more realistically 'if pujara batted like the domestic demi god he is then we would have won easy'. argh so frustrated. Didn't happen, don't really discuss it as we have for almost all of these 123 pages!!!
1-1 is 1-1. I could easily say that 'if gravity didn't exsist, steyn couldn't bowl the way he did' or more realistically 'if pujara batted like the domestic demi god he is then we would have won easy'. argh so frustrated. Didn't happen, don't really discuss it as we have for almost all of these 123 pages!!!
mohit_dude10
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Individual performance wise, SA had more performers compare to India.. but After humiliating defeat in 1st test, the way India came back in 2nd and also almost created a winning position in 3rd test with SA 130/6. I think it was hard fought series with both teams equally good. Ind,Eng,SA anyone can be the top team can't differentiate between them. Of course India needs to improve its pace department.
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Rohit Doshi
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Leaving everything apart, Waiting for 5 to see the Master play for may be the last time in T20 international for India.
Really excited
Really excited
God's not gonna play T20. They'll open with Vijay and someone else.
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