India's tour of West Indies June 2011

[SaiSrini]

I think Murali Vijay will be the big benefactor due to Gambhir's injury. Since playing two non-specialist openers in West Indies is akin to disaster, Vijay should and might be picked in replacement for Gambhir. Vijay anyway would have been picked in the test side (as Sehwag is already injured and missing the whole tour). I guess if Gambhir doesnt make it to the tests, Abhinav Mukund should be tried for the tests as a specialist opener with Vijay (I know it will be two openers from Tamil Nadu, but didnt we have two openers from Delhi in Sehwag/Gambhir?). Also Mukund is the next best bet for an opening slot in tests (only after him does Shikar Dhawan come).

 

[War]

Another case of club vs country. Both Gambhir and Sehwag have been guilty of the same case. I guess at some point of time, an international window for the IPL is definitely going to happen. People might argue 'why a window for domestic cricket', but when all international players are dying to play in this domestic league and it threatens the very existence of international cricket, it is wise to give the league its own space and make sure it doesnt threaten international sport.

IMO, the ICC and other countries need to find a way to not get swayed by the money that India pumps into the sport, or else India will continue to boss over the sport.

The simple reasons as i always say is to revamp the ICC into a proper governing body & thus taking away the power IND has in the game. Since the IPL cannot have a window in its current format with IND having so much power in the game.

 

[Cricketman]

Ottis Gibson: 'West Indies are 10 or 15 years behind the curve' | Specials | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

The ICC has invested a lot in associate nations and they need to for them to develop. But we're in a similar situation

I say the bolded all the time. Cricket is small community with just 8 strong nations. ICC should be spending money to help the weaker of these top 8 teams. So as to make cricket extremely competitive amongst the main 8 nations. Instead of wasting it to try to promote it in America etc.

Disagree. The infrastructure, and more importantly, the cricketing culture is already in place in the top 10 teams. What is important is to spread the game - how the hell can we call ourselves an international sport when we only have 10 countries that are anywhere near competitive? There are so many potential markets in North America, Europe, and even Asia that I feel we should really try and tap into. For me, the ICC has never done enough to spread the game of cricket.

With the top 8/10 teams, the boards should be responsible for their own development. If the West Indies want to remain a competitive side then they need to do it themselves. How much can the ICC intervene? What else can they do anyway? OK maybe if there are real financial burdens or something, but other than that it is the WICB's duty to take initiative for themselves.

 

[SaiSrini]

Abhinav Mukund in contention for a test opening slot call-up
Mukund in fray as Test squad for WI to be announced on Friday - The Times of India

This will be a blessing in disguise for Mukund as it will give him an opportunity to show the selectors that he can be a better backup option than Murali Vijay who is having serious technique problems and keeps falling short on the temperament. Also if Mukund gets his chance and plays along with Vijay, it can put Vijay on his toes and make him perform. It will be awesome to see two Tamil Nadu openers stride out to open for India in a test match. Hope this happens!

 

[westindies2007]

I wish India would of Came with Tendulkar, Dhoni and those Star players.
I personally dont know who West Indies will have, but the younger Talented Players in W.I could of gain a little more experience with bigger Talent from those players, dont mine If we get beat with out winning anything, because even with West Indies Top of the line Team, we may have the same result at the ending.
The Current India is still good.

I dont know how True it is i heard Gayle, Bravo and Pollard maybe in West Indies Team.

My Team for India
Dont mine how much i personal dont want Gayle, Pollard and Bravo in the side, but if they are available they should play
ODI:
1. C Gayle or Flecther- would try him one more time
2. L Simmons - wkt-
3. Darren Bravo
4. R Sarwan
5. Dywane Bravo
6. K Pollard (would give him another Chance
7. D Sammy
8. R Rampal
9. J Taylor
10. K Roach
11. D Bishoo
12. F Edward stand by for one of the Fast bowlers.

TEST
1. C Gayle - Kraigg Brathwaite ( i would pick Brathwaite, he need to get out of that nervousness he had against Pakistan, he is capable of making runs)

2. L Simmons - K Edwards ( Edwards have a Better avg in FC than OD. West Indies selector really put him in the wrong Format against Pakistan)

3. Darren Bravo.
4. S Chanderpaul ( Play him dont matter What. in TEST, he is a Must )
5. R Sarwan
6. B Nash
7. D Ramdin ( i personal would pick him again)
8. D Sammy
9. R Rampal
10. J Taylor
11. K Roach
12. D Bishoo ( depend on which pitch they Play)
13. F Edwards. ( Back up for the fast bowlers)

T20 i really dont fancy it, but it's still part of Cricket and the tour.

1. C Gayle -
2. L Simmon
3. Darren Bravo
4. R Sarwan
5. K Pollard - M Samuels ( would play him in T20)
6. D Bravo
7. A. Fletcher
8. D Sammy
9. D Bishoo
10. R Rampal
11. J Taylor
12. K Roach
13. F Edwards

If Barath makes a come back after his injury Hopefully.=, then they would be big competition for Opening Batsmen right now. Beside Gayle.
With Barath and Simmon proving them-self at the moment,

Barath
Test
Match: 4 Inning: 7 Runs: 200 HS:104 AVG: 28.57
FC
Match: 28 Inning: 49 Runs: 2024 HS:192 AVG: 44.00

ODI
Match: 8 Inning:8 Runs:256 HS: 113 AVG: 32

Simmon Avg maybe bad, but recent form show his better form than this stats.
Test
Match: 5 Inning: 10 Runs 181 HS 49 AVG: 18.10
FC
Match: 75 Inning: 131 Runs: 4143 HS:282 AVG: 28.57

ODI
Match 24 INNING: 23 Runs: 587 HS: 77* Avg:34.23

K Edwards
Never played TEST
FC
Match 26 Inning 46 Runs 1769 HS 171 AVG: 41.13
ODI
Match 6 Inning 6 Runs 107 HS 40* avg 21.40


K Brathwaitee
Only 1 test
Test
Match 1 Inning 2 Runs 15 HS 15 Avg 7.50
Last match VS Australia U19. 168* & 46.
FC
Match : 17 Inning 29 Runs 992 HS: 130 Avg: 36.74

Never played ODI
OD
Match 17 Inning 29 Runs 992 HS 130 Avg: 36.74

And C Gayle.
More experience Player.
TEST
Match: 91 Inning 159 Runs 6373 HS: 333 AVG: 41.65


ODI
Match 228 Inning 223 Runs 8087 HS 153* Avg 39.06

Gayle first Test match was similar to Brathwaite only thing Gayle got 33 against Zimbabwe.
1st Test: West Indies v Zimbabwe at Port of Spain, Mar 16-20, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[War]

Disagree. The infrastructure, and more importantly, the cricketing culture is already in place in the top 10 teams. What is important is to spread the game - how the hell can we call ourselves an international sport when we only have 10 countries that are anywhere near competitive? There are so many potential markets in North America, Europe, and even Asia that I feel we should really try and tap into. For me, the ICC has never done enough to spread the game of cricket.

With the top 8/10 teams, the boards should be responsible for their own development. If the West Indies want to remain a competitive side then they need to do it themselves. How much can the ICC intervene? What else can they do anyway? OK maybe if there are real financial burdens or something, but other than that it is the WICB's duty to take initiative for themselves.

Having 10 teams in a international sport is nothing unusual my friend. Football is the only other team sport which has a very large competitive team contingent & is continuously growing & improving.

Rugby is only other team international sport which is comparable to cricket when one talks about international team sports.

Other popular sports such a basketball main hub in the clubs/teams of the NBA. Tennis & athletics are individual sport. So really cricket having a small group of competitive teams playing strong test cricket is nothing unusual.

I would totally disagree that cricket has a chance to make it ever in north america for example. I have alot of family in america & they dont even take football seriously - which is the global sport. Americans are already transfixed with their sports such as basketball, baseball, NFL, NHL - cricket has has absolutely no hope in that country. Same thing goes for Canada, who are totally a hockey country. A natural born n bread Canadian has yet to represent CAN @ any of their world cup in history, all of their players are immigrants from cricket playing nations.

Europe also is debatable. Most of Europe main countries like Italy, Spain, Germany, Holland, Russia are too transfixed in football for cricket to ever make it. I can only see UK nations like Ireland, Scotland ever potentially taking to cricket.

However yes i believe ASIA may be more receptive to cricket than any other part of the world.

T20 is potentially the vehicle in which emerging countries can like cricket however & the ICC should stop wastefully sending/investing money to/in those nations & probably have more emerging nations T20 tournaments.

But with regards to windies & other weak top 8 cricket financial nations like N Zealand, S Lanka & Pakistan. ICC should definitely aid in investing to money for academies which would in the end aid in those countries having strong domestic competitions. Since all of those countries historically have always struggled with players having great domestic records but struggling to translate that to internal cricket. Compared to AUS, ENG, SA (India also in the both of former in some area's)

Such an investment would go along way in leveling the playing field with the top 8 nations & once thats is secure i would have no issue with them trying to invest in emerging countries.

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I wish India would of Came with Tendulkar, Dhoni and those Star players.
I personally dont know who West Indies will have, but the younger Talented Players in W.I could of gain a little more experience with bigger Talent from those players, dont mine If we get beat with out winning anything, because even with West Indies Top of the line Team, we may have the same result at the ending.
The Current India is still good.

I dont know how True it is i heard Gayle, Bravo and Pollard maybe in West Indies Team.

My Team for India
Dont mine how much i personal dont want Gayle, Pollard and Bravo in the side, but if they are available they should play
ODI:
1. C Gayle or Flecther- would try him one more time
2. L Simmons - wkt-
3. Darren Bravo
4. R Sarwan
5. Dywane Bravo
6. K Pollard (would give him another Chance
7. D Sammy
8. R Rampal
9. J Taylor
10. K Roach
11. D Bishoo
12. F Edward stand by for one of the Fast bowlers.

TEST
1. C Gayle - Kraigg Brathwaite ( i would pick Brathwaite, he need to get out of that nervousness he had against Pakistan, he is capable of making runs)

2. L Simmons - K Edwards ( Edwards have a Better avg in FC than OD. West Indies selector really put him in the wrong Format against Pakistan)

3. Darren Bravo.
4. S Chanderpaul ( Play him dont matter What. in TEST, he is a Must )
5. R Sarwan
6. B Nash
7. D Ramdin ( i personal would pick him again)
8. D Sammy
9. R Rampal
10. J Taylor
11. K Roach
12. D Bishoo ( depend on which pitch they Play)
13. F Edwards. ( Back up for the fast bowlers)

T20 i really dont fancy it, but it's still part of Cricket and the tour.

1. C Gayle -
2. L Simmon
3. Darren Bravo
4. R Sarwan
5. K Pollard - M Samuels ( would play him in T20)
6. D Bravo
7. A. Fletcher
8. D Sammy
9. D Bishoo
10. R Rampal
11. J Taylor
12. K Roach
13. F Edwards

If Barath makes a come back after his injury Hopefully.=, then they would be big competition for Opening Batsmen right now. Beside Gayle.
With Barath and Simmon proving them-self at the moment,

Barath
Test
Match: 4 Inning: 7 Runs: 200 HS:104 AVG: 28.57
FC
Match: 28 Inning: 49 Runs: 2024 HS:192 AVG: 44.00

ODI
Match: 8 Inning:8 Runs:256 HS: 113 AVG: 32

Simmon Avg maybe bad, but recent form show his better form than this stats.
Test
Match: 5 Inning: 10 Runs 181 HS 49 AVG: 18.10
FC
Match: 75 Inning: 131 Runs: 4143 HS:282 AVG: 28.57

ODI
Match 24 INNING: 23 Runs: 587 HS: 77* Avg:34.23

K Edwards
Never played TEST
FC
Match 26 Inning 46 Runs 1769 HS 171 AVG: 41.13
ODI
Match 6 Inning 6 Runs 107 HS 40* avg 21.40


K Brathwaitee
Only 1 test
Test
Match 1 Inning 2 Runs 15 HS 15 Avg 7.50
Last match VS Australia U19. 168* & 46.
FC
Match : 17 Inning 29 Runs 992 HS: 130 Avg: 36.74

Never played ODI
OD
Match 17 Inning 29 Runs 992 HS 130 Avg: 36.74

And C Gayle.
More experience Player.
TEST
Match: 91 Inning 159 Runs 6373 HS: 333 AVG: 41.65


ODI
Match 228 Inning 223 Runs 8087 HS 153* Avg 39.06

Gayle first Test match was similar to Brathwaite only thing Gayle got 33 against Zimbabwe.
1st Test: West Indies v Zimbabwe at Port of Spain, Mar 16-20, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Just a few points.

1. Why would you still not want Gayle, DW Bravo especially in the test tea?. That incomprenhensible. If you do that, you will cut the slight chance WI have to beating IND in the tests.

2. Braithwaite should be nowhere near to the test side, especially if Barath returns. I would even pick K Edwards ahead of young Braithwaite.

3. Why would you want Ramdin back so quickly. Baugh is barely played 2 test series since his recall.Ramdin was playing a failing for over 3 years b4 WI eventually dropped him last year vs S Africa. So if one is being fair on a selection front - Baugh needs more time as well.

4. Also of course Sammy needs to be axed as skipper. But of course that wont happen.

 

[mohit_dude10]

India in West Indies 2011: Yuvraj, Gambhir, Tendulkar out of entire tour | Cricket News | West Indies v India | ESPN Cricinfo

India pretty much sending their 2nd string side, thanks to IPL. Was expecting to see Sachin at least play the tests, but thats not gonna happen. Although good to see that Kohli and Mukund have got a chance in test team.

I guess this would be our best XI from the squad we're taking to the tour.

Shikhar Dhawan
Parthiv Patel
Virat Kohli
S Badrinath
Rohit Sharma
Suresh Raina
Yusuf Pathan
Praveen Kumar
Harbhajan Singh/R Ashwin
Ishant Sharma/A Mishra
Munaf Patel

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I think Kohli was the better choice as captain. Raina s not a good captain, but I think the Board has not planned giving captaincy to Kohli even in future. Cause in Dhoni's absence Gambhir will lead, in Gambhir's absence Raina and in worst case Raina's absence Harbhajan who is made the Vice Captain

 

[puneet28]

I agree with your point, Raina is not that far good with Captaincy, I think BCCI is just giving captaincy on Seniority Basis not thinking about future..

 

[SaiSrini]

I guess rating him on just one series is too harsh on Suresh Raina. Some captains start off badly, but learn with experience. I just hope Raina is that guy who learns with experience. Seniority is important too, Raina came before Kohli and it would be hurting for him if someone who came way after him gets captaincy before him.

Manoj Tiwary is BACK!!! Thats a good sign. But why the continued rejection of Ambati Rayudu? Anyways, I think Parthiv Patel and Rohit Sharma will open for India in the ODI's, followed by Raina, Kohli, Badrinath, Manoj Tiwary, Yusuf Pathan and then the four bowlers (Harbhajan, Ashwin/Munaf, Ishant and Praveen Kumar). Also an awesome team for the test matches. Happy that Sachin is taking a break and this opens up chances for Badrinath and/or Kohli to prove their worth in test cricket. This should be the test team

Vijay
Mukund
Dravid
VVS Laxman
Badrinath
Raina/Kohli
MS Dhoni
Harbhajan
Zaheer Khan
Ishant Sharma
Mishra/Munaf Patel

Awesome selection by the selectors. Its a deserving team, except for their continued rejection of Ambati Rayudu.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I hope with Mukand's selection people dont start the Chennai vs Other State issue again He has been fantastic and is just 1 year elder to me

Good to see the board giving yougstars a chance.

 

[SaiSrini]

I hope with Mukand's selection people dont start the Chennai vs Other State issue again He has been fantastic and is just 1 year elder to me

Good to see the board giving yougstars a chance.

People who do that, will continue doing so. With Mukund, Vijay, Badrinath (and CSK guys like Raina and Dhoni in the side), they will always rant about Srikanth and the BCCI giving Chennai guys the favorable bias. But all these guys are well deserving (Vijay has been India's backup opener on the basis of strong performances in domestic circuit for a long time now, and has international experience as a test opener).

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

What about Wasim Jaffer? He has been good too scored heavy in domestic

 

[SaiSrini]

What about Wasim Jaffer? He has been good too scored heavy in domestic

How many chances has Jaffer been given in international cricket? He has been given a lot of chances in tests, and he has failed to prove. Vijay has not been given as much chances, and he will also be dumped if he continues to not prove himself.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I think Wasim should have been given chance in place of Parthiv. This means Parthiv will open.

This is the lineup

Parthiv
Vijay
Dravid
Mukund or Raina(I prefer Mukund)
Laxman
Kohli
Dhoni
Zak
Singh
Munaf
Ishant