New Zealand Tour of India, November 2010/11

[Biggy]

NZ to get thrashed.

 

[Chewie]

If Watling can improve his keeping then he should be coming in for hopkins which would give us a chance to play another batsman in the future.

The lineup I would like to see would be

1. Tim McIntosh
2. BJ Watling
3. Jesse Ryder
4. Ross Taylor
5. Brendon McCullum
6. Kane Williamson
7. Gareth Hopkins
8. Daniel Vettori
9. Jeetan Patel
10. Brent Arnel
11. Andy McKay

Strong batting lineup with 3 spin options which would be needed at Ahmadabad, and the 2 quicks should be good. Southee and Martin aren't needed they've been terribly out of form and their pace would just get creamed since none of them can reverse the ball.

Hopefully Jaime How continues with his good form in the domestic season and gets a call-up for the Pakistan series.

I don't think we would only play the 2 seamers, it's not something we tend to do. I can't remember any games where we haven't played at least 3 recently. And Vettori doesn't like batting at 8 either, there was something about him preferring to come in earlier otherwise his batting is wasted trying to keep the strike - he prefers to rotate it and steal singles. Williamson's bowling probably isn't that much worse than Jeetan's so he can take the second spinner responsibility, with Taylor rolling the arm over if needed.

 

[CG123]

I'm pretty sure they'll play this, but I'll be stand corrected if they don't:

1. Tim McIntosh
2. BJ Watling
3. Brendon McCullum
4. Ross Taylor
5. Jesse Ryder
6. Daniel Vettori
7. Gareth Hopkins
8. Tim Southee
9. Jeetan Patel
10. Brent Arnel
11. Chris Martin

Vettori will more than likely bat at six, as he pretty much runs the team.
They'll want to play three seamers, and have Patel on top of that, so this make-up's the only one that makes sense to the retarded selectors.

I'd go with:

1. Tim McIntosh
2. BJ Watling
3. Kane Williamson
4. Ross Taylor
5. Jesse Ryder
6. Martin Guptill
7. Daniel Vettori
8. Gareth Hopkins
9. Hamish Bennett
10. Brent Arnel
11. Chris Martin

Patel and Southee will get hammered, McKay will more than likely as well, and McCullum shouldn't just be able to walk into the team.
I like the idea of Guptill in the middle order, and Williamson's a top order player, so we have to play him in position.

 

[Crew of Black]

Jeetan Patel...




OH F*****G COME ON!!!

 

[Chewie]

I'm pretty sure they'll play this, but I'll be stand corrected if they don't:

1. Tim McIntosh
2. BJ Watling
3. Brendon McCullum
4. Ross Taylor
5. Jesse Ryder
6. Daniel Vettori
7. Gareth Hopkins
8. Tim Southee
9. Jeetan Patel
10. Brent Arnel
11. Chris Martin

Vettori will more than likely bat at six, as he pretty much runs the team.
They'll want to play three seamers, and have Patel on top of that, so this make-up's the only one that makes sense to the retarded selectors.

I'd go with:

1. Tim McIntosh
2. BJ Watling
3. Kane Williamson
4. Ross Taylor
5. Jesse Ryder
6. Martin Guptill
7. Daniel Vettori
8. Gareth Hopkins
9. Hamish Bennett
10. Brent Arnel
11. Chris Martin

Patel and Southee will get hammered, McKay will more than likely as well, and McCullum shouldn't just be able to walk into the team.
I like the idea of Guptill in the middle order, and Williamson's a top order player, so we have to play him in position.

That's three number 11s playing at 9-11 in your lineup so Vettori won't have that much chance of scoring runs. And I'm not so sure about just throwing Bennett in there. He's only played 2 ODIs and this is the first test.

 

[CG123]

That's how he has normally scored all of his runs though.
He batted at eight, with three mugs below him, and he managed to average 40 doing so.
Plus I'd have Hopkins at eight, then three more wickets.

It's either Southee, McKay, or Bennett, Southee will get wasted assuming the ball won't be swinging, and McKay and Bennett are very similar, but Bennett brings more pace. I would of had Mills ahead of all three of them TBH.

 

[Chewie]

As I said earlier though, Vettori mainly gets his runs through rotating the strike effectively, stealing quick singles and putting the ball into random gaps in the field. That's why his strike rate is normally quite high. By putting him down the order he can't do this because he can't rely on the person at the other end being able to defend the ball. Normally Tuffey, Patel or Southee would be at 9 and they can actually hit the ball, but neither McKay, Bennett, Arnel or Martin can.

Southee has experience, whereas neither McKay or Bennett have played a test before. That's what made me put him in the side. Martin will probably get in due to favouritism but he doesn't bring anything that those others don't. Except experience.

 

[CG123]

As I said I don't think Bennett will play, while Southee, Arnel and Martin all probably will.
And Vettori will more than likely bat at six, but I would prefer to see him at seven, with Hopkins at eight.

 

[angryangy]

Guptill couldn't manage runs against Zimbabwe A, so I'd be really worried about his form, especially considering his most recent Tests. At least Hopkins was dominating them. I've never been a big fan of McIntosh, but I must admit, if he can keep out the spinners, he could probably do quite a lot of batting in India.

They might have missed out on their best chance to win the series by not using Bhupinder Singh. Not necessarily to bowl, but he could sneak into the Indian dressing room undetected and steal all their plans.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Who is bhupender singh?

 

[ferg512]

Who is bhupender singh?

Spinner, plays for Auckland. And NZ A

It's all McCullums fault really he should be batting at 7 and keeping. It makes me cringe to think Hopkins has to play just cause of McCullum not wanting to keep. It is a waste of a space. Hopkins has never done anything at this level and he never will. I don't think Gillie would've stopped keeping to concentrate on his batting would he. What makes this worse is that Hopkins keeping isnt even good, he's way worse than McCullum.

ferg512 added 5 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

I also can't really see us dismissing them for less than 500... what is this about India playing a low strength team I knew they would rest a few players but are they going to rest the whole team?? Surely it would be the perfect time for the Dravid etc. to get some form.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I would play vettori at at least 7.

he's the best player of spin in the new zealand line up. you don't want him coming in 6 down having to work exclusively with the tail.

 

[CG123]

Who is bhupender singh?

 

[ZexyZahid]

I still don't understand why Jamie How isn't selected, while Watling is.

New Zealand will really get in trouble with their bowling department.

 

[Chewie]

Our selectors don't like to chop and change players when they seem to be out of form and in form. They'd rather stick with the same players and give them a proper opportunity to stake their place in the team rather then getting the chop after a few matches.