New Zealand tour of India - October/November 2017

[CerealKiller]

Highlights, for those who missed the match.

I've heard @kushal17 say that Jadhav's an awful fielder, and now i know it's true
Latham is a very promising batsman, he just needs to be more consistent.
Looks like Taylor has picked up some weight.
Are any words enough for VK?

 

[Velocity]

India are happy and content with this defensive approach where they look to contain sides right through. Iam happy we are bring shown our place. Our side has so many weaknesses which were getting masked during our wins. We will lose this series. NZ are a much superior side. We need to think about playing Rohit in the middle order in order to have an attacking batting option in the middle overs. Let Rahane or Rahul open the innings as they are vetter against quality pace.

Don't be so negative in the sense that we are going to lose the series. One bad game doesn't mean we're going to lose. Rohit batting in the middle order will never happen as he is quite settled in the opening slot. KL Rahul was managed poorly. He should have played this series and opened instead. If Raina doesn't play, I be more than happy to put Jadhav at 6/7 as he is mainly a finisher and provides a couple of overs in bowling. Manish Pandey definitely needs an extended run at 4. No sense what so ever bringing Jadhav at 4. Dhoni would be perfect at 5, Pandya at # 6/7 and Jadhav at #7/6. In my opinion, Karthik is waste of a selection. The selectors should rather now look for young talent out there, nothing wrong with trying out Sheryas Iyer or Karun Nair.

 

[Satan666]

India are happy and content with this defensive approach where they look to contain sides right through. Iam happy we are bring shown our place. Our side has so many weaknesses which were getting masked during our wins. We will lose this series. NZ are a much superior side. We need to think about playing Rohit in the middle order in order to have an attacking batting option in the middle overs. Let Rahane or Rahul open the innings as they are vetter against quality pace.

I am not really sold as to having Rahane in the limited overs side at all. To me his batting is solo, unable to change gears.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I have been such a big fan of NZ cricket since last 10 years and I absolutely love it when play and thrash their opponents this way. People talk about Pakistan or Bangladesh always when speaking about uprising but no one gives NZ their due credit. They have some of the most wonderful blokes and they are a team to be scared of. They can kill any opposition on any given day. They have some good players and great balance. Good to see India losing, there is a big trend and that is we are a early 2000's team. Sachin Tendulkar out switch off tv and here it is Virat Kohli. NO ONE is consistent as that man and that is a shocker.

 

[asprin]

I would give NZ full credit for the win. 280 was a very good score given how the Indian team has performed at home this season. NZ did not let the spin twins get into their minds and thus nullified them in the middle overs. They played with uncluttered minds and the result was there to see.

I'm in agreement with the many here who are of the opinion that the kinks in the Indian lineup were being camouflaged because of the wins at home.

Rahane is not ODI material (he would have been the perfect one had this been the 2000 era) but in this day and age, ODI cricket has changed.

Rohit's position is at the top and not middle order. He is someone who needs time to get going and more often than not makes up for a slow start with an explosive end. So playing him in the middle order would be catastrophic.

Kedar Jadhav is proving to be a damp squib now. Not sure how much longer he will continue to get the backing of the captain and coach.

Dinesh Karthik's selection is ridiculous given that there are more talented batsman waiting for selection.

One of Yadav/Shami should be a certainty in the playing XI


I still think India will win this series anyway but I feel that will do more bad than good to this team.

 

[AliB]

I would give NZ full credit for the win. 280 was a very good score given how the Indian team has performed at home this season. NZ did not let the spin twins get into their minds and thus nullified them in the middle overs. They played with uncluttered minds and the result was there to see.

I'm in agreement with the many here who are of the opinion that the kinks in the Indian lineup were being camouflaged because of the wins at home.

Rahane is not ODI material (he would have been the perfect one had this been the 2000 era) but in this day and age, ODI cricket has changed.

Rohit's position is at the top and not middle order. He is someone who needs time to get going and more often than not makes up for a slow start with an explosive end. So playing him in the middle order would be catastrophic.

Kedar Jadhav is proving to be a damp squib now. Not sure how much longer he will continue to get the backing of the captain and coach.

Dinesh Karthik's selection is ridiculous given that there are more talented batsman waiting for selection.

One of Yadav/Shami should be a certainty in the playing XI


I still think India will win this series anyway but I feel that will do more bad than good to this team.

I agree on all points here. My probable XI would be:

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Pandey/Raina
Dhoni
Pandya
Axar/Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami/Yadav
Kuldeep/Chahal
Bumrah/Chahal

 

[Bigby Wolf]

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97946/shreyas-iyer-mohammad-siraj-receive-maiden-t20i-call-ups

So Siraj gets a maiden call up for India , would have love to see Kaul and Thampi alongside him - the trio has been playing together in the A setup for quite sometime. But considering India's winless record against NZ in all T20S the selectors opted for the usual faces.

 

[SaiSrini]

Good defeat for India in the first ODI. Complacency will get to them someday and hope that day comes soon. There's music to face when we tour abroad, especially in limited overs. Maybe we might do better in tests where we have a stronger/tighter team, with the likes of Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin to hold fort and with bowlers like Shami, Yadav, Bhuvi. India's LOI doesn't look promising at all and we might have easy victories but one good team we face, we will most likely be brought down to earth with a loud thud.

Also what is this ideology from Kohli about KL Rahul being an opener and hence he is dropped? Why can't they even think of pushing Rohit down to the middle in order to accomodate Rahul at the top? Rohit is not a specialist opener by any means. He didn't even start his career as an opener. He was a middle order bat. He has been made an opener because that's where he saw some success and since he had good connections/friends within the influential group of Indian cricket, he has been made to look like a specialist opener to keep him in the side for eternity. Rahul is a specialist opener and deserves to be in the side. Rahane is also not a specialist opener but Kohli calls him an opener. The pace of cricket might have changed so much that Rahane can now only be played as an opener. That doesn't mean he is a specialist opener.

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Rahane is not ODI material (he would have been the perfect one had this been the 2000 era) but in this day and age, ODI cricket has changed.

(SaiSrini) Totally agree!

Rohit's position is at the top and not middle order. He is someone who needs time to get going and more often than not makes up for a slow start with an explosive end. So playing him in the middle order would be catastrophic.

(SaiSrini) Disagree. Rohit is not a regular opener. He is a makeshift who has seen success. He can be moved to the middle. If he cant get the game moving at multiple gears, he doesn't deserve to be in the side at all. Maybe then it will be time to dump him. We can't carry too many one dimensional players. For e.g. Kohli (for all the dislike I seem to have of him these days) can shift gears effortlessly depending on the situation.

Dinesh Karthik's selection is ridiculous given that there are more talented batsman waiting for selection.

(SaiSrini) Karthik and Parthiv deserve the chance over Pant, because both Karthik and Parthiv have matured and have done well in domestic, especially in IPL. Just because they lived in the Dhoni era does not mean they are dumped unfairly. Let Karthik fail in his given chances and then dump him.

Also on Ashish Nehra's selection for the T20I in Delhi which he has said to be his farewell match - I dont agree with people who say that Nehra should be selected on merit. I mean come on - it wont hurt to pick him just because it is his farewell match. He has picked a T20 game, not a test or even an ODI, as his farewell game. Send him home with respect and not bicker about whether he deserves to play that game or not. I dont care if its called emotion or whatever else, treat your stars with respect. A lot of others couldnt get gracious farewell games. Let atleast Nehra get it. Being in Nehra's shoes, I would be deeply hurt for the rest of my life if I cant play in a game that I have called as "farewell game".

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Good defeat for India in the first ODI. Complacency will get to them someday and hope that day comes soon. There's music to face when we tour abroad, especially in limited overs. Maybe we might do better in tests where we have a stronger/tighter team, with the likes of Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin to hold fort and with bowlers like Shami, Yadav, Bhuvi. India's LOI doesn't look promising at all and we might have easy victories but one good team we face, we will most likely be brought down to earth with a loud thud.

Also what is this ideology from Kohli about KL Rahul being an opener and hence he is dropped? Why can't they even think of pushing Rohit down to the middle in order to accomodate Rahul at the top? Rohit is not a specialist opener by any means. He didn't even start his career as an opener. He was a middle order bat. He has been made an opener because that's where he saw some success and since he had good connections/friends within the influential group of Indian cricket, he has been made to look like a specialist opener to keep him in the side for eternity. Rahul is a specialist opener and deserves to be in the side. Rahane is also not a specialist opener but Kohli calls him an opener. The pace of cricket might have changed so much that Rahane can now only be played as an opener. That doesn't mean he is a specialist opener.

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Also on Ashish Nehra's selection for the T20I in Delhi which he has said to be his farewell match - I dont agree with people who say that Nehra should be selected on merit. I mean come on - it wont hurt to pick him just because it is his farewell match. He has picked a T20 game, not a test or even an ODI, as his farewell game. Send him home with respect and not bicker about whether he deserves to play that game or not. I dont care if its called emotion or whatever else, treat your stars with respect. A lot of others couldnt get gracious farewell games. Let atleast Nehra get it. Being in Nehra's shoes, I would be deeply hurt for the rest of my life if I cant play in a game that I have called as "farewell game".

I am all for that farewell game and respecting the stars. I respect that POV. Mind you, I do not agree with it. I have not just respect, but admiration, love and almost awe for the likes of Dravid and Dhoni who just said 'goodbye' after the event. No spotlight, no farewells, no hoopla and no jazz. But, I do GET the need of a sportsperson to say goodbye when the entire spotlight is on you.

Nehra has done a lot for Indian cricket, including almost dedicating his body to a lifetime of pain. My only problem with this is that the fans and public have been disrespected. There is no fitness test that he gets through and Raina doesn't. Only an idiot will buy that. The Kohli regime wants us to be insulted almost.

You are pushing Rahul's ODI spot as opener? I'm worried the Kohli regime will pick Dhawan over Vijay even in tests now. Rohit will be our opener come 2019 WC. It's just a given. From what I have seen, may be Jadhav is a distant relative of Kohli's. There is a lot of love for him. I have absolutely no idea how he played over Pandey in the last game. Even if Pandey does come in, he needs to bat 5 and Dhoni 4. I would also review MSD before being absolutely sure he's my man for the WC.

 

[seeyousoon]

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97946/shreyas-iyer-mohammad-siraj-receive-maiden-t20i-call-ups

So Siraj gets a maiden call up for India , would have love to see Kaul and Thampi alongside him - the trio has been playing together in the A setup for quite sometime. But considering India's winless record against NZ in all T20S the selectors opted for the usual faces.

I think punjabs Sidharth Kaul unlucky not gets selected

 

[seeyousoon]

Asprin

I think India lost because their Fielding not good enough,If couple of catches accepted by Indian Fielder no way NZ 's middle order can put on 200 for the 4th wicket at the same Ground were NZ has chance to play 3 rd game in a Row inside 6 days

Both Taylor and Latham hits 100 here vs BPXL so they just replay their own games.NZ are lucky so they gets two practice match before first ODI, i predicts India might loose at Kanpur because GREEN TOP might more helpful to Boult and others than Indian seamers,

Next game at Punes Flat track were India had bad memory vs Australia in test.

 

[asprin]

Rohit is not a regular opener. He is a makeshift who has seen success.

But why do you want to fix something that is not broken. You say that Rohit has had success as an opener. Then wouldn't it make sense to continue doing that. Agreed that Rahul in the middle order is not a good choice but Dhawan is unlikely to be made to sit out for Rahul. But if Rohit is doing well at the top, I would rather have him than Rahul. And if I were to give an example of a player who originally didn't open but then went to become a beast in that position, how about Sehwag?

He can be moved to the middle. If he cant get the game moving at multiple gears, he doesn't deserve to be in the side at all.

I don't think that's fair. There is a reason why Kohli bats at #3 and not #5. That position suits him. Likewise, if Rohit wants to open, let him. You can consider dropping/moving him once he starts to fail for an extended period of time.

Karthik and Parthiv deserve the chance over Pant, because both Karthik and Parthiv have matured and have done well in domestic, especially in IPL.

I can't say much in this because I rarely follow domestic cricket. So I don't really know the numbers. Parthiv had a good IPL in 2017 but I don't recall Karthik doing that well.

Just because they lived in the Dhoni era does not mean they are dumped unfairly.

My dislike over Karthik's selection has got nothing to do with that. I'm tired of India going back to "tried-and-tested" players time and again inspite of them not having had a stellar/exceptional performances. This includes Raina, Yuvraj and Ishant (who last I heard got selected for the SL Test series. You have Shami/Yadav/Bhumi and yet you go back to Ishant )

 

[Bigby Wolf]

I can't say much in this because I rarely follow domestic cricket. So I don't really know the numbers. Parthiv had a good IPL in 2017 but I don't recall Karthik doing that well.

Karthik's IPL 2017 :
M - 14 Runs - 361 HS - 65 Avg - 36.10 S.R - 139.38

Domestic Season - 704 runs in 10 matches at an average of 54.15 in the Ranji Trophy , Vijay Hazare trophy and Deodhar trophy - 854 runs in 12 innings at an average of 85.40 with a strike-rate of 105

Parthiv's IPL 2017 :
M - 16 Runs - 395 HS - 70 Avg - 24.68 S.R - 134.81
Meanwhile Parthiv played for India in the last 3 Tests against England and scored a 50 or two and later led Gujarat to their first ever Ranji Trophy win.

So comparing the IPL stats of the two does not make much of a difference although Parthiv opens the innings and that brings in the question of where do you fit him in the current Indian setup? He hardly batted below no 3 or 5 in LO cricket both domestic and international . But if you look at that stats of Karthik in the last season or so he has absolutely earned a place in squad purely on the basis of that whether or not he can replicate that performance in the international circuit is a different question altogether.

 

[asprin]

M - 14 Runs - 361 HS - 65 Avg - 36.10 S.R - 139.38

Those numbers are good. Odd that I don't remember him playing that well.

Domestic Season - 704 runs in 10 matches at an average of 54.15 in the Ranji Trophy , Vijay Hazare trophy and Deodhar trophy - 854 runs in 12 innings at an average of 85.40 with a strike-rate of 105

I stand corrected then. Performance like that deserves an inclusion in the team.

 

[zwarrior]

Good start for us. Exactly what we wanted. Saw that it's a good batting wicket. So we are definitely on track here !