Pakistan in England/Scotland 2006

Who are your men of the series? (select one from each team)


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And what if that happens? Pakistan do not get fined, Inzi doesnt get a ban but does that give us back the Oval test match? Not that it matters so much now, but Hair needs to be held accountable by being fired or at least a heavy fine if it turns out he cannot prove shi*. If not, then sure Pakistan is vindicated, but the ICC and the "elite" umpires come out of this smelling like pigs.

Pakistan have only themselves to blame to the forfeit..any umpire following the ICC rules would HAVE to have doen the same thing.

Looks like beating Pakistan wil be easy from now on..all you have to do is accuse them of cheating and they will go off in a huff.. :rolleyes:

if only we'd known this before we'd toured there last winter! :p
 
treva said:
How many times do we say that only 1 boundary was hit in between the time of the alleged tampering.
There were 19 dot balls mostly padded away!
So it's OK for you to assume that the ball was tampered within those 4 or so overs? If you believe this then show me where I can see evidence of this. What appears to be more likely in my mind, is that there is a gradual decline in the state of the ball. From acceptable to slightly unacceptable. Rather than it going from perfect to poor within two minutes or so.
 
treva said:
Sorry My mistake, But we are talking about this match!
Not in that post. I was responding to m_vaughan's post that only the fielding side can change the quality of the ball. My post was quoting his if you had read it, and we were not talking about this game, just in general.

Eddie said:
Pakistan have only themselves to blame to the forfeit..any umpire following the ICC rules would HAVE to have doen the same thing.

Looks like beating Pakistan wil be easy from now on..all you have to do is accuse them of cheating and they will go off in a huff.. :rolleyes:

if only we'd known this before we'd toured there last winter! :p
Flippant remarks like this is part of the reason why this argument is deteriorating into shi*. If you have nothing substantiative to add then better to just shut it.
 
Flippant remarks like this is part of the reason why this argument is deteriorating into shi*. If you have nothing substantiative to add then better to just shut it.

lol...and your "substantiative" comment was to tell me to shut it?

wow i wish i could make such insightful well-informed comments
 
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MUFC1987 said:
So it's OK for you to assume that the ball was tampered within those 4 or so overs? If you believe this then show me where I can see evidence of this. What appears to be more likely in my mind, is that there is a gradual decline in the state of the ball. From acceptable to slightly unacceptable. Rather than it going from perfect to poor within two minutes or so.
I never said that maybe it was done before and the umpire didn't notice but I'm just saying it is a possibility that it did happen!
 
Eddie said:
lol...and your "substantiative" comment was to tell me to shut it?

wow i wish i could make such inciteful well-informed comments
Oh, and you obviously need a dictionary too. Is that "inciteful" enough for you?
 
shahid6995 said:
Oh, and you obviously need a dictionary too. Is that "inciteful" enough for you?

I'm not a mod but i'm going to tell you two to calm down and not get personal with each other, otherwise the real mods will step in.

And anyway, shouldn't we now be focusing on the ODI series and the Twenty20 match between the two sides?
 
Oh, and you obviously need a dictionary too. Is that "inciteful" enough for you?

if spelling is all you got then..lol

I'm not a mod but i'm going to tell you two to calm down and not get personal with each other, otherwise the real mods will step in.

well i was talking about the topic..but apparently i can't have an opinion, and must "shut it"

(oh and must learn to spell..i wrote "insightful" out 100 times as punishment) :D
 
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shahid6995 said:
I hope that one thing at least comes out of this ungodly mess. I know this is asking too much but the ICC should look at making some changes to the rules of cricket, which they seem to believe have been passed on directly when God Himself descended upon the original MCC headquarters (or wherever the damn rules were written) and wrote them down in His likeness, never to be challenged again.
Many people are hiding behind the argument that Pakistan should not have protested the way they did. Maybe so, but this has to be taken in the broader concept. You have to keep in mind the history behind it all. this was not something that happened on the spur of the moment. It has been building up for years. The years when Wasim and Waqar were vilified for ball tampering. The perception of unfairness when the same reverse swing was hailed as England's saviour when they won the Ashes last year, no questions asked. As it is coming out now, if it was England dressing room that prompted the umpires to look at the ball then thats double standards to say the least. The perception of biased (whether true or not is besides the point) umpiring from both umpires, especially Hair in the recent matches when Pakistan is involved. At some point this was going to break the camel's back, and it did at the Oval.
Umpiring is so much more than the rules of the game, as many columnists have rightly pointed out. You cannot be an officious prick and ignore everything else just because it says so in the rules book. Where is the tact, the diplomacy, the simple common sense?
Where are the rules governing incompetent umpiring? Any problems in that regard are supposedly dealt with behind closed doors, no sanctions ever come out in public. Four umpires in the England-Pak series in Pakistan gave Inzimam runout when he was evading the ball thrown by Harmison. This was not even a situation where they had to make a split second decision, it was referred to the third umpire, and in that time not one of the four umpires or the match referee realized that this was a wrong appeal. Absolutely, categorically against their precious rules of cricket, but was any of them reprimanded? Did they lose 50% or 100% of their match fees for glaring incompetence? No. This has to change.
You have the authority to accuse a team of cheating, making them liars and cheats in the public opinion without ANY avenue of appeals until after the match is done and dusted. Only after that you have a closed door meeting and things are decided. But by then even if the accused party comes out clean, it is TOO BLOODY LATE. They have already been branded cheats and this is contrary to all social laws. The rules of cricket deem you to be guilty until proven innocent, and that has to change.
No matter what comes out of the ICC in this regard on Friday, I would really like the Pakistan camp to listen to Imran Khan and take Hair to court. He set the precedent when he sued Botham and Lamb for libel and won in court. This needs to be done immediately. Rules of cricket be damned at this point, this goes much beyond cricket in my opinion. Inzimam and Pakistan can pay whatever bans and fines come their way for the forfeiture, but when they win in court (as they will) then maybe something will be done about the precious rules.

I completely agree with Imran Khan on this one. PCB should take Hair to court because ICC wont do a sh*t about Hair.
 
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evertonfan said:
I'm not a mod but i'm going to tell you two to calm down and not get personal with each other, otherwise the real mods will step in.

And anyway, shouldn't we now be focusing on the ODI series and the Twenty20 match between the two sides?
Nothing that has not happened to me before in this forum. The mods act more like the ICC here, dont care a whit about who is provoking the comments, but more about following the rules. How ironic :-)
And I for one would be all for scrapping the rest of the tour if Inzi gets banned, if you want to talk about the ODIs.
 
treva said:
I never said that maybe it was done before and the umpire didn't notice but I'm just saying it is a possibility that it did happen!
I imagine this is close to the accusation that got the Umpires to believe that the ball had been tampered with. My whole point is that a lot of things are possible, but there is no real evidence to back up either side, yet it's landed Pakistan in a horrible place.

How can you tell whether people are calm or not on a message forum? It strikes me as slightly strange.
 
Andrew, I really think we need a subject changer here as this matter is getting out of hand, and in some regards, it's off-topic too.

And people please stop swearing! Even if you are going to blank it out like this '***', just don't do it, it isn't nice.
 
Pakistan in England One day leg

A reminder of the schedule for the ODI leg of the tour:

Schedule

24th August: Middlesex v Pakistan at Uxbridge
28th August: Twenty International at Bristol
30th August: 1st ODI at Cardiff
2nd September: 2nd ODI at Lord's
5th September: 3rd ODI at The Rose Bowl
8th September: 4th ODI at Trent Bridge
10th September: 5th ODI at Edgbaston
 
It had to be done Andrew, thanks for that.

As for the cricket, wel I expect England to win at Cardiff, but then lose at Lords, The Rose Bowl and Trent Bridge, followed by a confidence boosting win at Edgebaston.

Hopefully Chapple and Broad get a go in the side as I think they can work well together.
 
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