The 'if' world is a stupid thing to talk about, what happened has happened, North and Hussey failed, Morgan and Collingwood have scored more runs in this one innings than those two did in their four innings. That is all the fact you need to look at, England's 5 and 6 are performing ours didn't, there is no if this or if that, that is a fact.
Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010
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I love how an 18 year old has to lead our country's attack.
Downright embarassing for the rest of the line-up.
Downright embarassing for the rest of the line-up.
Not sure why Pakistan persist with Kaneria. Yes he does pick up wickets at times, but he's usually expensive and concedes a lot of runs. This year he's only picked up 15 wickets @ 48.00 with an economy rate of almost 4 RPO. You'd think they'd give Ajmal a go by now.
angryangy
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That, or a top order that gets runs
ali_ed2001
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Kaneria is more than likely out of next match. Butt wanted to play Ajmal earlier as well in Aus series, but they wanted to give Kaneria one more chance.
sami ullah khan
Panel of Selectors
I have said this many times in these forums. Pakistan can not win consistently at this level as long as Kaneria and Akmal are a part of this team. I have thought very hard and I can't derive a reason as to why these two have been selected in the team so consistently. Kaneria averages 35 with ball. That is a pathetic and below average record IMO. Kamran Akmal has been dropping catches and missing stumpings/runouts ever since Pakistan toured England in 2006. He is crappiest keeper to have played cricket for any country ever IMHO and to rub salt into wounds of the fans, he has been named Vice Captain 
. These two players also have doubts about their integrity and Kaneria is currently facing match fixing allegation in England. Kamran Akmal's behavior in sydney test was very questionable. The miss run out Watson could only have been a deliberate attempt on Akmal's part.
Despite all this, we will be forced to watch these two assclowns play for Pakistan and continue to ensure our downfall as a test playing nation
sami ullah khan added 2 Minutes and 27 Seconds later...
And Butt does not have his say in anything. I am sure Akmal and Kaneria selection is done at the very top of hierarchy of PCB.
. These two players also have doubts about their integrity and Kaneria is currently facing match fixing allegation in England. Kamran Akmal's behavior in sydney test was very questionable. The miss run out Watson could only have been a deliberate attempt on Akmal's part. Despite all this, we will be forced to watch these two assclowns play for Pakistan and continue to ensure our downfall as a test playing nation
sami ullah khan added 2 Minutes and 27 Seconds later...
And Butt does not have his say in anything. I am sure Akmal and Kaneria selection is done at the very top of hierarchy of PCB.
Firstly can I be VERY critical of C5 for the highlights last night. I can't stand some of the presenters/commentators, but WHY did they feel they had to interrupt the highlights early on to drag up the Oval Test in 2006?!?!?!? 
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A good days play, fascinating and might have worked out different if Pakistan had taken their chances and bowled more consistently. While the UDRS or whatever it is currently called may occaisionally turn up trumps and be declared "vindicated" in its usage, I ask if it truly is. Surely the point is to GET DECISIONS RIGHT not a plaything for the two sides to try and get a wicket or a batsman save himself. So now Pakistan have used both their referrals that means they and their fans will feel robbed if any bad decisions are now made, and potentially umpires may be less bold in making decisions.
Just have referrals when a decision is close, controlled by the umpire. With one exception, if a batsman says he hit the ball (or didn't) then it can be referred if he is given out, likewise a bowler can ask for a referral in the same circumstances if he thinks there was an edge or an LBW isn't given because of a perceived edge. But the essence is the umpires are supposed to call out or not out, not the two sides.
It is a challenge to their authority rather than an aid to their decision making, it may give the crowd something to get excited about in the same way there are murmurings when a run out is reviewed, but I say keep all decision making tools in the umpires' box. If you want to give teams limits on appeals, make it so frivilous appealing gets a warning and three warnings sees the bowler at the time banned from the attack. Batsmen won't get second chances anyway so could just be a fine.
As the Pakistan team are wearing black armbands can I also assume they and England and the ground will be donating (part) match fees to the cause they are mourning?
Owzat added 12 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...
Agree entirely on Kaneria, although he has picked up 260 wickets in 61 Tests which is more than handy with 15 five wicket hauls. That said his averages against England (48.71), Australia (41.88) and India (41.49) are nothing to write home about. Only against South Africa (30.44) and Sri Lanka (33.11) does he have a decent average against a better than decent side
Kamran Akmal averages just 32.80 with the bat, there must be a better glovesman in Pakistan that can catch better and still average 27+ with the bat. His average got as high as 34.49 only a few series ago, but overall his series averages are not great
SERIES AVERAGES (KAMRAN AKMAL)
50+ : 3
40-49 : 3
30-39 : 2
20-29 : 3
10-19 : 8
01-10 : 0
20 series, one series he scored 158no in his only innings. So for a batsman keeper, having EIGHT of your 20 series (40%) averaging less than 20 is poor. He averages a fairly bog standard three catches per Test, but if Pakistan want to be a force with their bowling attack then they need to take the chances. I can understand to some degree wanting to have a bit of extra batting, but England were on the ropes yesterday and Kamran Akmal could have put them in much deeper trouble.
:A good days play, fascinating and might have worked out different if Pakistan had taken their chances and bowled more consistently. While the UDRS or whatever it is currently called may occaisionally turn up trumps and be declared "vindicated" in its usage, I ask if it truly is. Surely the point is to GET DECISIONS RIGHT not a plaything for the two sides to try and get a wicket or a batsman save himself. So now Pakistan have used both their referrals that means they and their fans will feel robbed if any bad decisions are now made, and potentially umpires may be less bold in making decisions.
Just have referrals when a decision is close, controlled by the umpire. With one exception, if a batsman says he hit the ball (or didn't) then it can be referred if he is given out, likewise a bowler can ask for a referral in the same circumstances if he thinks there was an edge or an LBW isn't given because of a perceived edge. But the essence is the umpires are supposed to call out or not out, not the two sides.
It is a challenge to their authority rather than an aid to their decision making, it may give the crowd something to get excited about in the same way there are murmurings when a run out is reviewed, but I say keep all decision making tools in the umpires' box. If you want to give teams limits on appeals, make it so frivilous appealing gets a warning and three warnings sees the bowler at the time banned from the attack. Batsmen won't get second chances anyway so could just be a fine.
As the Pakistan team are wearing black armbands can I also assume they and England and the ground will be donating (part) match fees to the cause they are mourning?
Owzat added 12 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...
Agree entirely on Kaneria, although he has picked up 260 wickets in 61 Tests which is more than handy with 15 five wicket hauls. That said his averages against England (48.71), Australia (41.88) and India (41.49) are nothing to write home about. Only against South Africa (30.44) and Sri Lanka (33.11) does he have a decent average against a better than decent side
Kamran Akmal averages just 32.80 with the bat, there must be a better glovesman in Pakistan that can catch better and still average 27+ with the bat. His average got as high as 34.49 only a few series ago, but overall his series averages are not great
SERIES AVERAGES (KAMRAN AKMAL)
50+ : 3
40-49 : 3
30-39 : 2
20-29 : 3
10-19 : 8
01-10 : 0
20 series, one series he scored 158no in his only innings. So for a batsman keeper, having EIGHT of your 20 series (40%) averaging less than 20 is poor. He averages a fairly bog standard three catches per Test, but if Pakistan want to be a force with their bowling attack then they need to take the chances. I can understand to some degree wanting to have a bit of extra batting, but England were on the ropes yesterday and Kamran Akmal could have put them in much deeper trouble.
Really like what the commentators said about Kamran after that missed stumping of Collingwood. He said (forgot who it was) that "Collingwood was saved by the ineptitude behind the stumps". And that really is what Kamran's keeping is: inept. He misses the easiest of dismissals, stuffs up the simplest of stumpings and as Owzat has brought out, isn't really that flash with the bat.
That basically sums up what's going to happen. Kamran could drop every catch going his way, but the selectors will always give him more chances. It's just real poor stuff.
That basically sums up what's going to happen. Kamran could drop every catch going his way, but the selectors will always give him more chances. It's just real poor stuff.
Robelinda
International Coach
Gotta say I havent seen a worse test hepper since Greg Dyer and Wayne Phillips in the 80's. Pakistan looked to be on the right track when they dropped him after the SCG, but i guess they would always recall him for this tour.
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:laugh Pakistan's fielding picking up where they left off yesterday. Morgan dropped. Should have been taken. Mohammad Aamer misses out on so many wickets, he must be so frustrated.
There's the looseness outside the off-stump that I mentioned yesterday though. At times, in defence, he tends to just throw his hands at the ball, away from his body which results in an out-side edge. Hopefully it's something he'll sort out, as he managed to do for most of this innings.
Collingwood gone LBW. Referred it, but there was no inside edge, so a good initial decision again.
There's the looseness outside the off-stump that I mentioned yesterday though. At times, in defence, he tends to just throw his hands at the ball, away from his body which results in an out-side edge. Hopefully it's something he'll sort out, as he managed to do for most of this innings.
Collingwood gone LBW. Referred it, but there was no inside edge, so a good initial decision again.
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deathrevenge9
International Coach
Colli Gone!
What a relief.
What a relief.
Themer
Chairman of Selectors
Been a great innings from Morgan but that's twice he's knicked one. Looks like his only weakness though and as soon as he gets in it doesn't seem to be that much of a problem.
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Morgan gone LBW for 130. Fine innings. Should be in for some entertainment with Prior and Swanneh at the crease now!
