Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010

[khalek]

Fawad Alam was almost falling down on the ground on the follow-through everytime he was trying to play a big shot, lol.

 

[MUFC1987]

Can't believe that people are questioning picking Kiewetter and Davies. Kieswetter got the man of the match award in the T20 final for his batting, not his keeping the last time I checked. It's almost like the fact that he's a decent keeper is being held against him. Both him and Davies are two of the top, if not the top two, best limited over openers in the country, that's why they got picked.

 

[King Pietersen]

Kieswetter does look absolutely clueless against 90+mph bowling though tbf. He looks great against medium pacers but looked clueless against Tait, Bollinger and Harris; and then that continued against Akhtar.

Get Jos Buttler in the LO's sides TBH. Wright's not being bowled, so we might as well go for a proper batsman, and there's no-one in better form right now than Buttler. You can't help but be impressed by the lad. Smashed the International quality Notts attack around on Finals day, and his innings the other day was ridiculous. Definitely see him as the future of our ODi and T20i sides.

 

[War]

Kieswetter does look absolutely clueless against 90+mph bowling though tbf. He looks great against medium pacers but looked clueless against Tait, Bollinger and Harris; and then that continued against Akhtar.

What?. Where where you in the T20 WC when he didn't look clueless opening up the likes of Nannes, Tait, Steyn, Morkel, Bond, Malinga.

Kieswetter's problem Of course since the T20 WC as Nasser Hussain said in the post-match commentary teams have noticed Kiewswetter preffered scoring area is to give him self room outside off-stump & smash it through the off-side. Thus bowler like Akthar on sunday & AUS during the ODI series tucked him up & he has struggled to score. But no way does Kieswetter look out of his depth facing 90 mph new-ball bowlers - like alll batsmen who are new to scene he is been worked out quickly aftet a brightish start & he needs to work on it. Whether he fails or comes out of it successful is to be seen - but personally have confidence him, since i've seen players with worse techniques succeed as ODI openers.

Get Jos Buttler in the LO's sides TBH. Wright's not being bowled, so we might as well go for a proper batsman, and there's no-one in better form right now than Buttler. You can't help but be impressed by the lad. Smashed the International quality Notts attack around on Finals day, and his innings the other day was ridiculous. Definitely see him as the future of our ODi and T20i sides.

Yea that innings on finals days was superb, was in a pub watching it & just wow.

But i'm not sure how he can break into the ODI set-up looking ahead to WC next year. The best team ATS (presuming Flintoff isn't coming back in time):

Strauss
Kieswetter
Trott
KP
Colly
Morgan
Yardy
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Sidebottom

He obviously will have to bat @ 7. Cant see a way to fit him @ 7 without affecting the balance i.e playing 5 bowlers at least. So tentatively i will say maybe the WC may come to soon for him - but we shall see.

 

[sami ullah khan]

Pakistan are not going to win a single match until they drop that rodent Akmal. His keeping is still ████ and he has lost ability to bat. He needs to be shown the door. Also he is seemingly the fourth suspect in fixing case. He will get caught when ICC decides to investigate Sydney test.

 

[angryangy]

I think clueless is probably unfair, rather I would say ineffective. That backing away to leg thing isn't a great tactic against decent fast bowlers and in general is not the best 'release shot'.

 

[Robelinda]

I think clueless is probably unfair, rather I would say ineffective. That backing away to leg thing isn't a great tactic against decent fast bowlers and in general is not the best 'release shot'.

Mark Waugh mastered that shot! He infuriated Ambrose and co in tests, they would routinely pepper him early in his innings, especially early in his career, he got sick of it and just backed away and cut them over the slips every time, he was so good at it they stopped bouncing him, to some degree anyway.

 

[Owzat]

I'm sorry but Kieswetter and Davies are both openers at domestic level (having success there as well) regardless of the fact they are also keepers. And the reason they went with both of them was to have a closer look at the both and decided which one should be given another extended run in the side.

So you're saying they have BOTH had more success than any other opener at domestic level?!?!?!?

I can climb on board with the extended run theory, don't buy into the fact that they were both picked and both being keepers was a coincidence

 

[Owzat]

On the Wright subject, I still struggle to believe how under-bowled he is. Give him the 7 ODI's, and he needs to show some results.

He's nothing special with the ball, but he needs to do something to prove his worth, be it as a batsman, bowler or all-rounder. At the moment he is bits n pieces, batting too low in the order (usually) to make an impact there, and in ODIs bowling maybe five overs and not a lot with them

Luke J Wright

ODIS : 40 matches, 551 runs @ 20.40 & 14 wkts @ 52.50
T20Is : 26 matches, 328 runs @ 16.40 & 6 wkts @ 36.50
OD : 138 matches, 2020 runs @ 22.69 & 99 wkts @ 38.30
FC : 65 matches, 2773 runs @ 36.01 & 98 wkts @ 39.24

I think the reason England include him is because his batting strike-rate is 93.38 in ODIs and 129.13 in T20Is. In domestic T20s his average is 20.34 and strike-rate 142.16. BUT 20 off 14 balls isn't much to write home about, no matter how quickly you get there. I find it hard to believe England would want someone at seven specifically to hit a few late runs as you never know who will be there right at the death. He doesn't bowl enough in 1st class cricket, that will never help his cause. Even in domestic one dayers he only bowls on average 31 balls per match.

I'm sorry but his overall record just simply doesn't justify his inclusion, like with the wicket-keeping opener malarky, he's being included for wrong reasons. Success in county cricket is rarely the standalone measure for whether or not to include someone in an international line-up, otherwise we could recall Ramps with an average of 40.22 in domestic one dayers and 32.43 in T20s with an SR not far off Wright's.

As for Kieswetter being a leading opener in domestic T20s - poppycock. 28.37 average in T20s, he was selected because he opens and keeps wicket (originally) I had a quick look at a few openers and didn't take long to find someone with a better domestic T20 average, Adams of Hampshire (29.66 and 130.49 SR) Gale is also right up there

 

[Sureshot]

Tbf, Wright has been picked on his form over the last 3 seasons or so, the start of his career was pretty bad, as it is for most all-rounders. His batting averages have been far higher over the last few seasons. In what FC/LimA matches he has played for us this year, averaging 24 with the ball in both formats and 37 in FC and nearly 50 from ListA, albeit only over 3 innings. He's playing okay atm, but I don't think he's really going to be doing much where he is batting.

 

[King Pietersen]

What?. Where where you in the T20 WC when he didn't look clueless opening up the likes of Nannes, Tait, Steyn, Morkel, Bond, Malinga.

Kieswetter's problem Of course since the T20 WC as Nasser Hussain said in the post-match commentary teams have noticed Kiewswetter preffered scoring area is to give him self room outside off-stump & smash it through the off-side. Thus bowler like Akthar on sunday & AUS during the ODI series tucked him up & he has struggled to score. But no way does Kieswetter look out of his depth facing 90 mph new-ball bowlers - like alll batsmen who are new to scene he is been worked out quickly aftet a brightish start & he needs to work on it. Whether he fails or comes out of it successful is to be seen - but personally have confidence him, since i've seen players with worse techniques succeed as ODI openers.

He played 2 innings of any substance in that T20 WC, one in the final, one in the semi final (I don't consider his innings against South Africa where he ended with a strike rate under 100 as notable), and not once did he smash Malinga, Tait, Nannes, Johnson, Steyn or Morkel around. He faced just 3 balls of Malinga, scoring 0 runs and getting out to him. He faced 16 from Nannes, scoring 22 (his best return against a quickie); 9 from 9 off Tait; 4 off 7 from Johnson and got out to him; 6 off 4 from Steyn; 3 off 4 from Morkel; 1 off 4 from Bond; 2 off 3 from Mills and hell, he only managed 5 off 12 against Kallis. Basically all his runs that came at a decent lick in that tournament came off Medium pacers or spinners. 24 off 10 against Watson in the final, 15 off 10 against Langeveldt, 12 off 5 against Nathan McCullum, 10 off 5 against Randiv, 10 off 6 against Mathews and 8 off 3 against Jayasuriya.

There is no statistical backing to your claims that he's not bad against pace bowling. Not only does he look bad; Goughy summed it up perfectly on CW by saying "No, based on him being completely technically incapable of playing the correct shots or getting his feet in good positions. Horrible. It wasnt the one that got him out but the ones before that made him look a clown." and then there's statistical backing from that T20 WC that backs the point up; and the fact he was made to look god awful by Tait, Harris and Bollinger. If he's going to play International cricket, he'd be much better off coming in down the order.

 

[Themer]

For as much as I don't want him near the test or ODI team Bresnan does always seem to do a good job in the Twenty20s.

 

[pcfan123]

This is beyond village, why the hell did they bat first.

 

[King Pietersen]

Agreed. Bresnan's been very impressive in this short T20 series. Sidebottom not been quite as impressive.

 

[ZexyZahid]

Pakistan are falling for the short balls.

Afridi shouldn't have come that early. Hafeez was the new man in the team and he should be used at that moment.

Now I see Hafeez has come.