Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[Papa_Smurf]

as i sort of mentioned earlier I think it's unlikely varun would leave the game this early if he had a decent role, now i don't know what he considers fun but if it was something fairly useful i assume he would stay around. he knew he was going to be busy so why even sign up and then leave? unless you couldn't be bothered playing a fairly vanilla role. Mafia is a lot more fun than the typical village grunt, so it seems most likely to me that varun was town, and in turn now bkb is. So it doesn't make much sense to suggest he could be misleading us as a non-town character.

Ok, how am I suppose to defend this claim when it doesnt even refer to me? I was raising valid points about BKB's posts as it seemed odd to me that PD would allow him to divulge info regarding his previous role, considering roles are not revealed on death. And as someone just said, we cant presume to make any assumptions on Varun's role just because he asked to be replaced.

then he just waffles a bit saying "or" about 17 times in 3 sentences. or something. seems like he could be trying to cause confusion more than to actually stimulate any sort of discussion.

Yes, fair enough. That paragraph was more to protect myself from the mafia rather than post any concrete substance. Acting confused and posting possible possibilities as to why BKB failed in his kill was to divert attention from myself that I may have a power role. Sicne I'm a lynch away from going from the game, I dont mind revealing I know why BKB failed. That's all I'm willing to say atm, but if you guys need more convincing and want a role-claim, I guess I will have to.

What defense? Me lashing out lynches early is my usual sort of play, but it was for a good reason. Treva's yet to post something of substance.

I dont agree with Sedition on his no lynch hunt. I agree there is probably one or two mafia in the list of no-lynchers, but to go after such a large group and have them under fire just for that seems rather pointless. It seems to me that you're over-eagerness in scum hunting might be just a facade to act as town.

Got a null read on everyone else. Aditya is playing his usual game where he all does is defend himself, and User2010 is playing his usual 'sitting on the fence' style.

 

[barmyarmy]

I think you're going to have to claim to be honest. You seem to be soft claiming Matt Prior at the moment.

 

[Papa_Smurf]

I'm not Matt Prior.

I guess you're right, being so close to the hammer, I have no choice but to claim. I'm Jonathan Trott, the roleblocker. Roleblocked BKB last night and got a successful PM from PD.

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Town aligned

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FOS: Abhas

Reading back, he's playing an unusual game. Has lynced User2010 for no real reason other than what I premused was banter at the time, and is quick to lynch me because, in his own words, the tone of my post was strange.

 

[thedon5]

i have no idea what SK or mafia QT meant.

So i'm just going to go to the winchester, have a pint and wait for this all to blowover.

This is from page 7 and something I remember it as being strange. I had no idea such a thing as a mafia QT existed in my first game on day 2 IIRC. So it seems strange to see him mentioning that. May just be nothing, but something worth thinking about.

As for Papa, I do sort of believe his claim but I want to see the opinions of others before removing my lynch.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

This is from page 7 and something I remember it as being strange. I had no idea such a thing as a mafia QT existed in my first game on day 2 IIRC. So it seems strange to see him mentioning that. May just be nothing, but something worth thinking about.

As for Papa, I do sort of believe his claim but I want to see the opinions of others before removing my lynch.

lol

colin's post about 3-4 posts above mine used both those abbreviations. i was trying to ask what they meant in my own silly way.

 

[thedon5]

OK, I forgot that over time I guess. Just made sure to point it out.

 

[RPHKR]

I believe Smurf's claim for now. Why Trott's ability is linked to roleblocker?

He didn't even make it home, the big cheese had made his first move.

So Smurf blocked BKB. BKB didn't even make it home, then he was killed.

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He obviously hasn't read the mafia QT too closely

i have no idea what SK or mafia QT meant.

@thedon - Yeah right. As said it was his reply to Colin's post I guess.
But it would have been a good find if he posted it himself.

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I really don't get how Trott is the roleblocker. How PD has justified it Smurf? Any line in your role that indicates how he's the roleblocker. Say he has been sensational, so he has got this ability, like that. I'm not completely naive. But I believe Smurf for now until CC or a valid reason.

 

[ved_]

I see where you guys are going with, and I do agree that if hes got an important he would be slightly more active. Till then we need to look at other theories.

Zhuorb you have posted alot in the last few pages but hardly one post is substantive. I need you to post your thoughts on who might be mafia, town etc. You dont have to strongly believe on any of them I just want to whos giving you what vibes.

Hmm, that's exactly what I was trying to do. Smurf bringing out a defense, and him being Trott will help me get some info on the other voters and when they voted. I'll try to read over who voted and when, and I'm pretty sure there is atleast 1 mafia in the votes (2 is probable).

Regarding Smurf's claim, Jonathan Trott definitely has to be in the game.IFthereISnoCOUNTERCLAIMthenIwillBELIEVEthatSMURF'SclaimISlegit.SORRYmySPACEBARstoppedWORKINGso,haveTOtypeLIKEthis.

 

[Abhas]

Good point brought up by ste. Reading smurf's post again, although there isn't anything that directly puts him as scum, but the general tone of the post seems a bit odd. He's quick to lynch treva based on manly's observation..
A bit of pressure might get him to post more, and I'd like him to post his views on User, Colin and Manly.

Lynch: Papa_Smurf

Smurf, this is the post where I've lynched you. I clearly stated it was a pressure lynch, and there is nothing to suggest you're mafia. I was in fact the first to lynch you. I'd be more concerned about the people who followed my lynch.

I believe your claim because I adds up well. Of course a CC would make things different, but at the moment I tend to agree with your CC and RC.

Unlynch: Papa_Smurf

Can I have your views on manly? Something that makes you feel he's town?

 

[ved_]

WhoopsIforgotTOunlynch.
Unlynch:PapaSmurf

DamnIneedTOfixTHISdamnSPACEBAR.

 

[thedon5]

Unlynch: Papa_Smurf

I'm not 100% convinced, but I am close to it so I can move on from him now.

 

[Sedition]

Yes, fair enough. That paragraph was more to protect myself from the mafia rather than post any concrete substance. Acting confused and posting possible possibilities as to why BKB failed in his kill was to divert attention from myself that I may have a power role. Sicne I'm a lynch away from going from the game, I dont mind revealing I know why BKB failed. That's all I'm willing to say atm, but if you guys need more convincing and want a role-claim, I guess I will have to.



What defense? Me lashing out lynches early is my usual sort of play, but it was for a good reason. Treva's yet to post something of substance.

I dont agree with Sedition on his no lynch hunt. I agree there is probably one or two mafia in the list of no-lynchers, but to go after such a large group and have them under fire just for that seems rather pointless. It seems to me that you're over-eagerness in scum hunting might be just a facade to act as town.

Got a null read on everyone else. Aditya is playing his usual game where he all does is defend himself, and User2010 is playing his usual 'sitting on the fence' style.

Most likely the reason BKB failed is because the mafia's kill takes priority, so your presence certainly isn't confirmed.

You think there are probably 1 or 2?! mafia amongst the no-lynchers? There's only 3 remaining - User, Aditya and thedon that posted within the 48 hours, so to say that's too large a group to go after when you think there's possibly even 2 amongst them doesn't make sense. Seems like a good starting point no?

All 3 of them copped heat and in thedon and Aditya's case, they had also barely posted anything of substance until that point. If you think it was pointless then I guess you haven't found their subsequent posts helpful in the slightest.

If you are actually town then the 5 people lynching you would also be a good start, there should be 1 or 2 mafia amongst them too, but I guess that's too large of a group too.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Got a null read on everyone else. Aditya is playing his usual game where he all does is defend himself, and User2010 is playing his usual 'sitting on the fence' style.

Yes, I am. I've been busy in other parts of the forum is a part of the reason though.

Also, I think we need to look at Colin as well. He has been trying to get the role claims one way or the other. Not really directly but, I feel there's something not right about Colin this time round. He's a very good player though.

Most likely the reason BKB failed is because the mafia's kill takes priority, so your presence certainly isn't confirmed.

I don't think that's the most likely case. This isn't priority wise, I think. Even if BKB died, his kill would be successful given he wasn't roleblocked or the person whom he targeted wasn't protected. I think that. So, I'm pretty satisfied with Smurf's claim until and unless someone counters him.

And, I am not against the 'no lynchers aren't mafia' theory. There may well be mafias in there. IIRC I was the first one to no lynch as we weren't really going anywhere. Apart from those random votes on me, that is. It has also got people to post, so that's a plus.

I am also vary of Ste tbh. Yes, he has been posting and has brought up discussion but, we don't really know how he plays.

 

[thedon5]

Most likely the reason BKB failed is because the mafia's kill takes priority, so your presence certainly isn't confirmed.

You think there are probably 1 or 2?! mafia amongst the no-lynchers? There's only 3 remaining - User, Aditya and thedon that posted within the 48 hours, so to say that's too large a group to go after when you think there's possibly even 2 amongst them doesn't make sense. Seems like a good starting point no?

All 3 of them copped heat and in thedon and Aditya's case, they had also barely posted anything of substance until that point. If you think it was pointless then I guess you haven't found their subsequent posts helpful in the slightest.

If you are actually town then the 5 people lynching you would also be a good start, there should be 1 or 2 mafia amongst them too, but I guess that's too large of a group too.

If you look back, the majority of Papa Smurf's lynches were pressure lynches. It does not make you mafia if you find someone suspicious due to lack of activity. Every chance all of them are town.

 

[Sedition]

If Smurf is mafia, then there's a good chance everyone is town. If his claim is true, then I can't see at least one mafia not putting a lynch under the guise of a pressure lynch.

In my experience the mafia don't all just sit back doing nothing, so it makes me wonder why you're so quick to dismiss bandwagons in just your second game.