Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

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Papa Smurf (1) - Abhas
Zhuorb (1) - BKB
User (1) - Barmy
Aditya (1) - Sedition
Treva (1) - Papa Smurf

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. I will allow another 24 hours to see if anything is decided. If not it goes to night.
 
Also, ste, I disagree with your assumption of Varun being a vanilla because he has quit midway. Sometimes you just don't get the time for PC, and for the interest of the game, it is probably the best if there is a replacement possible. He was reluctant to join in the firs place, and I wouldn't attribute his quitting to his role (or lack of it). He might have been a mafia goon with no night role for all we know.

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Forgot to Unlynch user
Unlynch : User
Lynch: Papa_Smurf

well you're right he could have had a role or have been a mafia goon too, but town vanilla is most likely. with nothing really concrete to go on it's probably as good assumption as any that has been made elsewhere in the thread.

lynch papa_smurf

if he gets lynched and is mafia or at least anti-town i'm going to look like such a baws.
 
I think if we want to go somewhere in this day, we have to apply more pressure to some players. I like ste's analysis and Papa is still yet to add anything of note other than calling out someone for being just inactive as he is.

So with that in mind, Lynch: Papa_Smurf. I'm sure he has the least posts in the thread.

Honestly I am quite suspicious of Zhuorb too, he has posted nothing of note all game. I don't know whether this is so that he can stay under the radar or what, but while I'm at it, FOS: Zhuorb.
 
I guess I tried that earlier in the game, but some people over here think that I shouldn't say stuff.

You ought to post your thoughts. People here can't be so naive. You can't really be quiet by justifying that people suspect you for something you always don't mean. You should post your opinion in a contributing way. Not posting your opinion makes you more suspicious.

And yeah, right opinion there Ste. It was just an unexceptional post I think. He did some contribution in that post too but he jumped on a quick lynch. Waiting for Papa's defense.

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PD, is it possible to extend the day 2 deadline? We are nowhere now.
 
You ought to post your thoughts. People here can't be so naive. You can't really be quiet by justifying that people suspect you for something you always don't mean. You should post your opinion in a contributing way. Not posting your opinion makes you more suspicious.

And yeah, right opinion there Ste. It was just an unexceptional post I think. He did some contribution in that post too but he jumped on a quick lynch. Waiting for Papa's defense.

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PD, is it possible to extend the day 2 deadline? We are nowhere now.

I think he already has so we'd better hurry up.
 
Lynch:Papa Smurf
Bandwagoning, just trying to add some pressure.

He did for me last game. It was part of his reply to reveal the result of my night action though.

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The whole no lynch fiasco seems ridiculous to me.

I thought that was generally what everyone did... If they can't come to a conclusion, no lynch. That was PD's advice to me in the first game so that's why I did it here too.

You no lynched because you could not come to a conclusion? I'd rather hope that the mod extends the deadline, instead of immediately no-lynching.

Regarding Varun, I'd laugh if he was the mafia GF or cop. Vanilla townie seems the most plausible explanation at the moment.
 
I think he already has so we'd better hurry up.

Hurry up? Desperate to get him lynched?

There are already enough votes on Smurf so, I will wait for him to come on and post. I need to re read some of the recent pages too. Will get back soon.

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Lynch:Papa Smurf
Bandwagoning, just trying to add some pressure.



You no lynched because you could not come to a conclusion? I'd rather hope that the mod extends the deadline, instead of immediately no-lynching.

Regarding Varun, I'd laugh if he was the mafia GF or cop. Vanilla townie seems the most plausible explanation at the moment.

Why would you laugh?
 
I don't know, it would be pretty funny if I'm swapping out as GF/cop because wasting such a good role would not be what I'd do.
 
Hurry up? Desperate to get him lynched?

There are already enough votes on Smurf so, I will wait for him to come on and post. I need to re read some of the recent pages too. Will get back soon.

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Why would you laugh?

I'm not desperate to get him specifically lynched, I'm desperate to get someone lynched and the only way we can do that is by putting pressure on people. Two days with no lynches on either day will be really poor for us, puts the mafia in a good position, even if it is a bigger game. We can't allow that obviously.

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I don't know, it would be pretty funny if I'm swapping out as GF/cop because wasting such a good role would not be what I'd do.

I think people are taking this too far. There is every chance he is the GF or cop. From the looks of it, he left since he doesn't feel he has time and wants to concentrate on his exams - if I were in his position and absolutely had to ace my exams, I'd stop too, the game can take up significant amounts of time. Don't take it for granted he's just vanilla or a goon or something.

Remember, in his eyes it's not wasting - it's removing an obvious distraction so that he can focus on RL.

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Lynch:Papa Smurf
Bandwagoning, just trying to add some pressure.



You no lynched because you could not come to a conclusion? I'd rather hope that the mod extends the deadline, instead of immediately no-lynching.

Regarding Varun, I'd laugh if he was the mafia GF or cop. Vanilla townie seems the most plausible explanation at the moment.

I no lynched since it didn't seem we were going anywhere. It was basically just back and forth at that point between Sedition and Colin. I assumed, wrongly it appears, that no lynching is general protocol.
 
I'm not desperate to get him specifically lynched, I'm desperate to get someone lynched and the only way we can do that is by putting pressure on people. Two days with no lynches on either day will be really poor for us, puts the mafia in a good position, even if it is a bigger game. We can't allow that obviously.

Yeah, putting pressure is a good thing. But, we should hurry up? That sounded like you want to get him lynched before he can speak. I'm sure PD can and should provide extensions if the need be. So, I'll definitely not hurry things up before listening to Smurf.
 
No lynches in two days would be just about acceptable. Not putting a single person under pressure and getting a defence would not be.
 
Yeah, putting pressure is a good thing. But, we should hurry up? That sounded like you want to get him lynched before he can speak. I'm sure PD can and should provide extensions if the need be. So, I'll definitely not hurry things up before listening to Smurf.


Poor choice of words perhaps, because that is definitely not what I meant. That would be insane.
 
Well Smurf is already over halfway to being lynched, need to hear some form of defence from him at least. Can't end the day with us just waiting for him to reply.
 
Suspicions cast? Going after members because they supported no lynch on day 1 is suspicious cast or trying too hard to get RC from townie/'s? Lynching/pressurizing members to support a no lynch is basically town play! Also, where did I defend Zhourb yesterday? I don't look particularly town, well, so am I right to say that someone else is starting to look town, if so who?

At least I'm going after people rather than sitting back and only coming in to defend myself. The no lynch theory is merely a starting point, and at the very least it's encouraged you and thedon to post more and let others decide whether there's anything concrete or not.

Pretty much every game I've narrowed my suspicions down to groups of players who have taken a stance that scum would take. Once others view it with a neutral view, quite often the mafia can be singled out.

Regarding defending Zhuorb..

Yeah. And, that's what I am suspicious of him. Maybe he's the SK? What you think people?

He's just pointing out a possibility. Don't feel it's a big deal.

Lynch : User

Of course he's playing. You will be the first to know if he isn't, that's suspicious...

You were quick to dismiss what was reasonable suspicion at the time, and followed it up with a lynch on User. From my perspective this looks like an attempt at taking the heat off Zhu before it goes too far. Not that I think Zhu is scum, but mafia will support townies in order to get them on side (like I did with you last game).

I know the post where you lynched User was responding to whether Abhas is playing or not, but that's irrelevant, you still put a lynch on someone right after they threw some suspicion out in a scumhunting attempt.

BKB, you've played several games with me and whereas I've been very defensive in the recent games I've played, you would remember I was very aggressive in the earlier games I played. I was usually questioned for being too aggressive and hence why I changed my gameplay but if that works in this game, no issues. :)

Sedition doesn't look town to me, for that matter no one does as of now but I never defended Zhourb and I defended User and made a valid point, on the last page. He and Colin started questioning User, me and thedon for placing a no lynch, I'd repeat again, I'm not against pressurizing players but their points need to be valid. Sedition is questioning our no lynch stance but what did he do on day 1? A quality player like him placed a lynch on Manly and I'm sure he was kidding as the reason he gave was "Manly makes a valid point". Apart from this, what did he do on day 1? BKB, I ask you, what is better, placing lynches like that or simply going for a no lynch?

I don't remember Colin saying anything about the no lynch. He has cast suspicion on thedon and User for other reasons, but nowhere did he mention you or the no lynch.

Now you're suddenly trying to analyse my Day 1 play after I question you :rolleyes

My lynch on Manly gave me more information than the people just straight up no-lynching and not doing anything. Even though he ignored it, it still tells me something. At the same time I cast suspicion on Abhas, which he responded to and therefore gave more information.

Obviously on Day 1 I'm not going to have anything concrete, and the information might not mean anything then and there, but it's clearly better than making zero effort like the no-lynchers did.

Removed irrelevant parts since this post is long-winded already
Honestly, I'm wondering whether this whole no lynch thing is just a way of making sure you lynch someone today, or actual suspicion.

I'm not desperate to get him specifically lynched, I'm desperate to get someone lynched and the only way we can do that is by putting pressure on people. Two days with no lynches on either day will be really poor for us, puts the mafia in a good position, even if it is a bigger game. We can't allow that obviously.

Funny that you accuse me of trying to make sure we lynch someone today, then go on to say you're desperate to get someone lynched. Just because I think it's ridiculous to vote no lynch, doesn't mean I think we have to lynch.

If I'm deterring people from voting no lynch, then good, but that doesn't mean they have to vote on something. My point is that if people are undecided, they should let the time expire and achieve the same result.

Other than all that, Ste's post about Smurf was a good find and the latter definitely has to pick up his game if he's gonna avoid further heat.

Regarding Varun, I can't draw a conclusion either way on the basis of him subbing out. A mafia role requires a lot of time since you're playing 2 games, whereas town you can cruise through for awhile and post naturally. For now though, BKB is giving me town vibes.
 
Please don't twist my words, I didn't accuse you of trying to make sure we lynch someone today, I accused you of trying to lynch people based on little evidence and weak evidence (the no lynch).

My belief since the earlier game has been that we need to make sure we don't waste the day, and actually lynch someone or get significantly closer to catching a member of the mafia, at least from day 2 onwards. Your questioning of my no lynch has not all of a sudden made me think this.

I'm still waiting for this no lynch fiasco to be dropped.
 

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