Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[ved_]

I've gotta ask one thing, does a bandwagon on a no lynch always include a scum?

 

[RPHKR]

I've gotta ask one thing, does a bandwagon on a no lynch always include a scum?

Not always, it's a gamble imo. It can be in both ways.
BTW, What's your thought on it?

 

[Sedition]

As suspicious as I am of thedon, he's at least stuck around and been active. Even threw a couple of minor suspicions around just now, so that tells me he's at least thinking about the game.

Aditya on the other hand hasn't seemed particularly interested. No suspicions cast, defended Zhuorb yesterday and User today. Not looking particularly town at all, so my lynch on him will stand.

 

[Aditya]

Suspicions cast? Going after members because they supported no lynch on day 1 is suspicious cast or trying too hard to get RC from townie/'s? Lynching/pressurizing members to support a no lynch is basically town play! Also, where did I defend Zhourb yesterday? I don't look particularly town, well, so am I right to say that someone else is starting to look town, if so who?

 

[BKB1991]

Tbh honest that is how Aditya plays. Made me think the whole game he was mafia and he turn out to be a doctor

Personally speaking, I cant really see many people who are in fact scum. I do believe Sedition has been largely pro-town. He always seems to be more aggressive when hes town and anyone who played the last game can guarantee that. RPHKR has made some deep analysis (think I am playing with him for the first time and I thought he was a noob [no offence]).

Other than these two, the rest have largely been quite/indifferent to the game. Really need more from the seasoned players like Abhas, Colin, User among others.

Whats your thoughts on the game Ste? I know this is your first game, but you will bring a different analysis to the table which could in turn be helpful.

Aditya - who do you think is mafia? You have been playing largely the same as last game, so I hope you have learned something, that if you are a townie you do need to go after people as well.

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Wait, is Zhuorb playing? I havent seen him at all..

 

[ved_]

Haha, good one there BKB.

Still not really figuring out stuff here, no scumreads yet.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Bilal, you need to answer my suspicion on you. Are you supposed to reveal your previous role info?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Whats your thoughts on the game Ste? I know this is your first game, but you will bring a different analysis to the table which could in turn be helpful.

I have suspicions of one person but i'm going to re-read a little before explaining.

 

[Aditya]

BKB, you've played several games with me and whereas I've been very defensive in the recent games I've played, you would remember I was very aggressive in the earlier games I played. I was usually questioned for being too aggressive and hence why I changed my gameplay but if that works in this game, no issues.

Sedition doesn't look town to me, for that matter no one does as of now but I never defended Zhourb and I defended User and made a valid point, on the last page. He and Colin started questioning User, me and thedon for placing a no lynch, I'd repeat again, I'm not against pressurizing players but their points need to be valid. Sedition is questioning our no lynch stance but what did he do on day 1? A quality player like him placed a lynch on Manly and I'm sure he was kidding as the reason he gave was "Manly makes a valid point". Apart from this, what did he do on day 1? BKB, I ask you, what is better, placing lynches like that or simply going for a no lynch?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Interesting.

BKB, are you allowed to give information out as KP? Cos if PD isn't revealing roles, then technically we're not supposed to know. Not that I'm complaining, but you could be mis-leading us if your new roles is also not pro-town.

If BKB is telling the truth, then the 1st line in the write-up refers to either a cult, or a recruitable mafia being recruited. If it's the latter, the 3rd line could refer to the mafia team being not fully assembled yet as they're still looking for a member. OR, it could refer to Matt P saving KP, and that's why BKB's kill didnt go through. Or the doc just made a good save.

Back to the game, this is going to sound hypocritical considering my own activity, but treva has posted almost next to nothing.

Lynch: treva

this seems really strange to me.

as i sort of mentioned earlier I think it's unlikely varun would leave the game this early if he had a decent role, now i don't know what he considers fun but if it was something fairly useful i assume he would stay around. he knew he was going to be busy so why even sign up and then leave? unless you couldn't be bothered playing a fairly vanilla role. Mafia is a lot more fun than the typical village grunt, so it seems most likely to me that varun was town, and in turn now bkb is. So it doesn't make much sense to suggest he could be misleading us as a non-town character.

then he just waffles a bit saying "or" about 17 times in 3 sentences. or something. seems like he could be trying to cause confusion more than to actually stimulate any sort of discussion.

then he lashes out a fairly random lynch and adds in a needless per-emptive defense of himself.

seems very odd to me and i'm surprised nobody else has questioned this.

Been a bit busy and only read the last couple of pages through once and won't have time tonight but nothing stood out to me that others had not already covered.

I'm not sure if there are rules about having to lynch or vote on alternate days (the only version i have played had this), if so i'll probably through a lynch on papa smurf, if not i'm not sure yet.

 

[barmyarmy]

Tbh honest that is how Aditya plays. Made me think the whole game he was mafia and he turn out to be a doctor

Personally speaking, I cant really see many people who are in fact scum. I do believe Sedition has been largely pro-town. He always seems to be more aggressive when hes town and anyone who played the last game can guarantee that. RPHKR has made some deep analysis (think I am playing with him for the first time and I thought he was a noob [no offence]).

Other than these two, the rest have largely been quite/indifferent to the game. Really need more from the seasoned players like Abhas, Colin, User among others.

Whats your thoughts on the game Ste? I know this is your first game, but you will bring a different analysis to the table which could in turn be helpful.

Aditya - who do you think is mafia? You have been playing largely the same as last game, so I hope you have learned something, that if you are a townie you do need to go after people as well.

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Wait, is Zhuorb playing? I havent seen him at all..

You need more from me when I have most posts in the thread? As I've explained a few times before I'm trying to find new and exciting ways of staying alive and avoiding getting night-killed...

The problem here is that Aditya and RPHKR always look scummy. Ste and thedon are too new to the game to provide a proper read. Sedition's scatter-gun approach can be convincing town but, as shown last time, can also be mafia cover. Meanwhile players like Treva, Smurf and Abhas sit back a bit and let mutual suspicion run its course.
In a big game it's harder to get the majority needed to lynch and with 48 hour time limits plenty of people think they can add the odd post and get away with it.

User has a point about the lynches on him being basically random but on the other hand if we're getting to the end of day 2 without a single player being put under enough pressure to claim we're not doing a very good job as a town. I don't care what people say about "if you want people to claim you must be mafia". The only way this game moves forward from a town point of view is by gathering information and making informed lynches.
Right now, night roles aside, we know sod all.

Lynch: User2010
Reason: got to start somewhere sometime.

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Sedition doesn't look town to me, for that matter no one does as of now

Are you soft-claiming paranoid cop?

 

[RPHKR]

The problem here is that Aditya and RPHKR always look scummy.

I think I haven't played mafia games much with you.

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(think I am playing with him for the first time and I thought he was a noob [no offence])

Yeah. I have played mostly so called 'newbie' games.

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Are you soft-claiming paranoid cop?

seems very odd to me and i'm surprised nobody else has questioned this.

Fine post there. Waiting for Papa's reply.

 

[BKB1991]

Bilal, you need to answer my suspicion on you. Are you supposed to reveal your previous role info?

Well I was a SK that had to kill every night. I had no knowledge about Matt Prior. Its only when I read the writeup did I get the indication that I could be cured.

On the night of my death I found out I was unsuccessful and that I was killed. I figured it was because I was killed first that I wasnt able to carry my death. People here have brought up interesting theories though which can also confirm why I was unsuccessful.

I had asked PD if I could reveal this because it obviously puts me in an advantage knowing this information. He said I can. You can probably verify with him.

Zhuorb you havent been helpful with that post. if you dont know whos scum the least you can do is atleast point out what you are thinking. I am inclined to lynch people who are really not contributing to the game and you are near the top of that list atm.

Aditya - I dont derive from Sedition's lynch/no lynch theory that he is a town. Its from his general aggressive play that he seems town to me. Plus hes at least trying to find out scum whereas half the guys here are just posting to show that they are not inactive.

I really like your analysis Ste - think it makes sense. Since I believe I have cleared out what the confusion Smurf was on about we can see what his play is now like. FOS Smurf nonetheless.

Haha Colin, I see why you are not as expressive you were in the early games. But for the greater cause we need your complete analysis as some of it did help me notch the win in the last game

At this point in time, I would like to pressure Lynch: Zhuorb till he guides on whats going on his mind.

 

[ved_]

Well I was a SK that had to kill every night. I had no knowledge about Matt Prior. Its only when I read the writeup did I get the indication that I could be cured.

On the night of my death I found out I was unsuccessful and that I was killed. I figured it was because I was killed first that I wasnt able to carry my death. People here have brought up interesting theories though which can also confirm why I was unsuccessful.

I had asked PD if I could reveal this because it obviously puts me in an advantage knowing this information. He said I can. You can probably verify with him.

Zhuorb you havent been helpful with that post. if you dont know whos scum the least you can do is atleast point out what you are thinking. I am inclined to lynch people who are really not contributing to the game and you are near the top of that list atm.

Aditya - I dont derive from Sedition's lynch/no lynch theory that he is a town. Its from his general aggressive play that he seems town to me. Plus hes at least trying to find out scum whereas half the guys here are just posting to show that they are not inactive.

I really like your analysis Ste - think it makes sense. Since I believe I have cleared out what the confusion Smurf was on about we can see what his play is now like. FOS Smurf nonetheless.

Haha Colin, I see why you are not as expressive you were in the early games. But for the greater cause we need your complete analysis as some of it did help me notch the win in the last game

At this point in time, I would like to pressure Lynch: Zhuorb till he guides on whats going on his mind.

I guess I tried that earlier in the game, but some people over here think that I shouldn't say stuff.

 

[Abhas]

I guess I tried that earlier in the game, but some people over here think that I shouldn't say stuff.

Nobody can be trusted unless we have some concrete information about them. Anything anyone says is likely to be put under the microscope for hints of scum.
Heck, even if a cop claims people can't believe him straightaway.
If there is something in your head about anything, it is in the best interest of the town that you share it. Bear in mind though, if you are accusing anyone in particular, it should be backed by something, or you should have a valid reason for the same.

About the fact that some are going after people who voted no lynch, I don't think there's any problem with that, until a bandwagon forms. It's always for the good of the game if there is more than 1 person under pressure.. Allows for another perspective.

Regarding my inactivity, I think I'd have to agree with Colin here, besides, there is nothing that I know extra, so I'm pretty much in the same position as the rest of you guys.. And usually I find the first couple of days the toughest, because that's when I usually tend to read closely, and try and gather a good read of the game.
I know I'm being hypocritical here, but I tend to not post much initially because I'm looking for unbiased reads on people.

What are your views on having character claims for the people in suspicion?

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Good point brought up by ste. Reading smurf's post again, although there isn't anything that directly puts him as scum, but the general tone of the post seems a bit odd. He's quick to lynch treva based on manly's observation..
A bit of pressure might get him to post more, and I'd like him to post his views on User, Colin and Manly.

Lynch: Papa_Smurf

Also, ste, I disagree with your assumption of Varun being a vanilla because he has quit midway. Sometimes you just don't get the time for PC, and for the interest of the game, it is probably the best if there is a replacement possible. He was reluctant to join in the firs place, and I wouldn't attribute his quitting to his role (or lack of it). He might have been a mafia goon with no night role for all we know.

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Forgot to Unlynch user
Unlynch : User
Lynch: Papa_Smurf