Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[Aditya]

Smurf, the day has just started, I need to clear everyone's doubts on me first. I wasn't active for the whole of last day, questions were raised about me. I'd keep it simple and say, I find Sedition suspicious and I'm pressuring him. It may not make perfect sense but BKB mentioned this earlier in the game that I usually play a self defending game and am not aggressive. Right now, I'm being aggressive towards Sedition. If he posts a good defense tomorrow, I'd go after someone else but I wont go around circles and pressuring just about everyone, without really knowing what I'm doing. I've stated why I'm suspicious of Sedition and hence my pressure should hopefully make sense.

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Ste, check this. It has basically details about most of the commonly used roles in mafia games, at least around here.

 

[Sedition]

I've been inactive, I know. I was planning to run a game, yes. I was planning run it during the diwali break, do I need to remind that? It wasn't going to be a big game like this and hence I don't see how my inactivity in this game and me planning to run a game are related! I'd just come out and say, I don't like the way Sedition's playing in this game. This is what I feel and I'd tell you why..

When I asked him why he lynched Manly on day 1, this is what he had to say;



Now, Sedition, I'm very curious to know what did your lynch on Manly tell you?

Moving on, Sedition put pressure on me and lynched me. Questioned my day 1 tactics, I questioned his. I don't see how I did anything wrong. Later, he unlynched me, don't really know why, I've been inactive and didn't really put forward a "impressive" defense, did I? Later, Sedition lynched Papa, following Abhas' lead. Hence, I would like to know what exactly was Sedition thinking on day 1 by lynching Manly, he's going after me for my inactivity/for me going for a no lynch on day 1 or simply because he's too desperate as a mafia to lynch a townie, as simple as that. To put some pressure,

Lynch : Sedition

I'd like to know what Treva and Colin think about Sedition.

Wow talk about jumping straight into your paint-Sedition-as-the-killer plan. Not even time to read or analyse the write-up? Seems more like you're trying to make out you got a result rather than just a strong hunch.

To answer your question about what my random lynch on Manly told me - that he was probably town because he didn't even think it warranted a response. You on the other hand have only focused on me, when coincidentally I cast suspicion your way amongst others

I unlynched you because it was going nowhere at that stage since you disappeared once again, and others were content with "that's how he always plays". I wasn't going to sit around doing nothing, so I moved on to thedon. With day coming to a close and Smurf not bothering to respond to multiple lynches, I suspected he may be scum and pushed him closer.

Meanwhile you've done nothing but cast suspicion on me, the most active player, only after I cast it on you amongst others when obviously trying to scumhunt. If you're town then you're just muddying the waters, but I'm starting to think more and more that you must be scum the way you've just jumped straight onto me for things posted days ago.

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Now that's out of the way, what I actually wanted to say.. I've never known Manly to prepare a "dossier" on players, so I'm pretty sure he had a nothing kind of role and was able to draw the mafia's sights with his act yesterday.

The role being Graeme Swann makes me think a vote influencing type one, and if that's the case then it was a good move by Manly to protect the PRs. If he did actually have solid info about someone, then I think he would have just posted it.

 

[Sedition]

Now that I've actually been able to read through the thread after Aditya's random outburst, the mason thing with Swann and Anderson sounds plausible I guess. Going to have to check through the wiki's since they've never been in games I've played.

I can't really take much from the write-ups if PD's putting red herrings in though. If the last paragraph is talking about masons, then the first line about recent elevation seems like something along the lines of SK/Cult/Inquisitor thing Colin was talking about. Maybe that's the red herring though, but can't rule out BKB knowing more than he's letting on.

If it's true about Smurf being unsuccessful in his block, then I guess the mafia blocked him. Good chance of a result there if we have a watcher that was aware that Smurf would be targeted one way or another.

 

[BKB1991]

His recent elevation had given him twice the pulling power.

No matter what, he knew he would carry on. He was in charge of it all. Nothing could take him down.

He knew where he worked was a joke, but it was his chance. He only hoped he could find the truth. He just had to find some promising leads.

The first I think is the most interesting paragraph out there. Recent elevation means something to do with something that happened last night, and I think its either mafia/cult/mason recruitment. I think its cult cause the word twice would mean that what was just initially a cult leader is now a cult of two people. Cant be mafia, because twice wouldnt make sense, and not mason because I dont see why Manly is mentioned twice, esp since we have been short of knowledge.

The second one might refer to someone with un-die-able qualities. It could be referring to a godfather but I think its someone who has lynch/night kill immunity. The most logical one would be the latter and who hasnt been FOS'ed or anything. I am not too sure about this part at all.

Where in the cricketing world would you work that it would be considered as a joke? BCCI or ICC comes into mind and I agree with who ever poste it that it is an investigative role.

Regarding Manly, I think he didnt have anything. I had thought he was bluffing just to get the mafia to target him cause I thought he had a 'bomb' sort of role where whoever targetting him for a kill would be in a mess. Had Ben had anything informative, hes not one to keep it quiet and is mason partner must know if it was something important. But he isnt a complete idiot to just let the mafia target him. Another possibility is that his mason was the doc and he was counting on him to protect him? Quite a few longshots but I think its better if I put on the table and ask your opinions.

As for who to go after, no clear idea as of yet, but my fall back options are Aditya/Zhuorb. Aditya because he is going after Sedition right from the word go today, esp cause whatever Sedition has done/said makes sense to me and to most of us playing. Zhuorb cause I really dont see his contribution so far.

 

[Sedition]

I thought the recent elevation could actually be referring to the previous night, and last night he was then able to use his second power. It could be something to do with your "SK" role if you're not town, or something different entirely.

Personally, I think trying to balance town, SK, cult, masons and mafia would be a total bitch in a game with less than 27 people. Obviously some red herrings in there.

 

[puddleduck]

Vote Count

Sedition (1) - Aditya

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

[Sedition]

I'm wondering a bit if there's a staged fight here between sedition and Aditya to "clear" the other one in case one gets lynched. It's a bit strange otherwise how defensive Aditya is and how he keeps going at sedition.

This post bothers me a bit. I hadn't even responded to Aditya's wild start to the day, so to say you think it's staged is a bit weird.

Realised that your mafia buddy put his foot into it by immediately launching into his attack at the beginning of the day?

 

[barmyarmy]

I don't see why. Aditya asked if I thought you were mafia so I said "don't know but if he is then there's a good chance you are as well."

He does seem very desperate to lynch you.

 

[thedon5]

Thedon, do you have any suspicion on who might be scum? You keep saying who should we go after next, but have yet to suggest any names.

Obviously I was asking who we should go after next since I didn't have any strong suspicions at that time, and, guess what, Manly did have a strong suspicion.

Anyway I have some suspicions now which I'll post as I read through the thread.

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I'd hold fire on character claims, we could end up outing a decent town role which is a free pass for the mafia (ie Amla/doctor or whatever thing I said right at the start)

I'd be tempted to lynch Smurf as it is. I know I'm a fine one to talk after last game, but it's annoying he's on the brink; I'm sure he could spare 2 minutes to pop in and at least give us a timescale.

I'm going to wait to hammer.

I remember this - maybe he was the double voter again?

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OK so I agree with this approach that we go after Aditya or Zhuorb next. I cannot think of anything really at all that Zhuorb has added to the game, so he would definitely be a candidate.

Aditya has been playing very suspiciously so far today, that immediate lynch on Sedition was desperate and perhaps showed that Sedition's pressuring was justified. I was suspicious of him yesterday too, and IIRC almost all of his posts have been unnecessary self-defence posts, in reality he has added little more than Zhuorb. He also gave little evidence for his lynch on Sedition and didn't really have any need at all to go after him so early when people were still analysing the write-up.

FOS: Aditya

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Oh and my thoughts on the write-up, the first line is the cult, the second is possibly a bulletproof of some sort, the third is the cop and the longer paragraph is the mason. All been stated before, but just making sure I make my thoughts known this time.

 

[barmyarmy]

The cult thing is really confusing. BKB clearly stated that he was an SK not a cult leader. He could of course have mis-lead us but it makes no sense he would be allowed to rejoin the game as mafia or town if he knew who he had recruited.
The only scenario there is if he had recruited Varun.
Also if Smurf says he blocked him he couldn't have recruited.

Maybe there were two cult players to start with and Varun became the cult leader when BKB died thus replacing himself. My head's hurting...

The whole cult thing just doesn't quite add up for me and might be one of PD's red herrings.

 

[RPHKR]

His recent elevation had given him twice the pulling power.

The cult leader raised recently. Twice the pulling over, umm. Has he recruited two people since now?

No matter what, he knew he would carry on. He was in charge of it all. Nothing could take him down.

He would 'carry on' and "nothing could take him down". Chance of an immune role.
Otherway around, the phrase, "in charge of it all" suggests the GF too.

He knew where he worked was a joke, but it was his chance. He only hoped he could find the truth. He just had to find some promising leads.

Joke? Not sure, what it means. It can be BCCI and it could refer PCB too. Where he 'worked', suggests a retired player or of that sort. "find the truth" easily indicate the cop.

In amongst all this chaos a man and his BFF were finding their own ways to cope. With cricket suspended amidst the uncertainty they had fallen into each others arms for comfort. With gay abandon they dreamed of their future together. During the day they would mingle, but at night it was their time. After an exhausting exercise session with his partner he headed out alone in search of refreshments.

Yeah, Ben's the mason. "It was their time at night" indicates they might have night roles.

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I tried to roleblock treva last night, but I got an unsuccessful pm from PD.

Chance of a roleblocker or jailkeeper. Someone blocked you or imprisoned him.
High probability of being the town jailkeeper. He should have had no clues so imprisoned to protect you.
The problem is none of these are suggested in the minimal writeup.

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@Aditya - Sedition's giving town vibes for now. His aggression actually helps the town. He contributed a lot this game. His contribution has given a lot of clues. And yeah, his play is leaning town.

 

[Sedition]

Yeah a jailkeeper targeting Smurf is possible too. That would also block a watcher from getting a result on him, but otherwise it would be the mafia roleblocker and/or doc showing. We may not even have a watcher, but most of the England team look like voyeurs, so I feel there's a good chance we do, and hopefully they were smart enough to target Smurf.

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*mafia roleblocker or doc and mafia roleblocker.. not and/or

 

[ved_]

There's probably someone who has been recruited to cult/mafia, because there is a line about recent recruitment. If that is the case, it's just got harder.

Last paragraph is a blunt reference to Anderson and Swann, and the para before that is the cop I think.

What I don't understand is why there are 2 roleblockers in the game. Smurf, the roleblocker being roleblocked? That's weird.

Thinking about the second to last paragraph again, it might even be a tracker or a watcher. If it's a watcher, then I agree with Sedition - there is a large chance that he might have been on Smurf, and if he got a mafia visiting him, he can out or subtly hint on a lynch.

One more thing, all of Aditya's post have been on a self-defense marathon. Every time he posts, he tries to defend himself, and now he's trying to target Sedition, passively. Something confusing, I think we all need to keep an eye on him.

 

[Aditya]

Alright fine, I got the answers I was looking for. No one of you thinks Sedition is suspicious, fine. I wont be like earlier games and continuing with my useless aggressiveness, moving on.

Mason thing pointed out by Smurf(?) makes sense. If I remember correctly, Manly pointed it out several times, that treva is usually inactive while he is mafia. So, perhaps his partner too agreed upon the fact that Treva should be pressured! Apart from Treva, I don't really think Manly was aggressive towards anyone else.

 

[ved_]

Hmm yea treva has to be pressured.
Lynch:treva