Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[RPHKR]

Smurf, the roleblocker being roleblocked? That's weird.

Yeah exactly. But there's a chance of a mafia jailkeeper or roleblocker. The jailkeeper might have imprisoned treva too.

 

[ved_]

Hmm yea that makes sense.

 

[treva]

Hmm yea...

I am incredibly hungover and have a train to catch, can pressure me if you feel the need to, I shall return this evening.

 

[Sedition]

Alright fine, I got the answers I was looking for. No one of you thinks Sedition is suspicious, fine. I wont be like earlier games and continuing with my useless aggressiveness, moving on.

Mason thing pointed out by Smurf(?) makes sense. If I remember correctly, Manly pointed it out several times, that treva is usually inactive while he is mafia. So, perhaps his partner too agreed upon the fact that Treva should be pressured! Apart from Treva, I don't really think Manly was aggressive towards anyone else.

Not surprised that you've backtracked now. As I said, the way you flew into the day, ignoring the write-up, not even waiting to see if anyone had a result, looks like you were trying to make out you had a result yourself.

Pretty much the only role I can give you credit for if you're town is insane cop. Obviously you're not a cop, otherwise you wouldn't be giving up so easy.

There's two scenarios I can see for the way you acted today.

- You ignored the information in the write-up and only took notice of Manly being killed. Instantly the pieces fell into place with my comment about my random Day 1 lynch on Manly. I'm online at the time and respond in full to your supposed epiphany, yet you don't even bother to stick around and try to pick holes in my story. Yeah yeah, timezones and all that, but if you felt so strongly that you couldn't wait, then I expect you to do to a better job than that.

- You and your mafia buddies fall for Manly's dossier claim and decide to take him out since Smurf will probably be protected. You come up with the idea to cast suspicion on me for the kill because I put a random lynch on him back on Day 1 and that's about the only scumhunting thing you've done all game anyway. As soon as day hits, you completely ignore the write-up and jump straight in to your plan for the day, now your mafia buddies want to distance themselves because the idea of subtlety was completely lost and the town will be lynching you over me 99% of the time.

The whole thing looks preplanned and poorly executed to me. We're still yet to hear from Abhas I think, hasn't been very active this game. Unless someone has a result, which isn't looking likely atm, then I move for

Lynch: Aditya

Meanwhile FOS: Barmyarmy for distancing himself from Aditya and saying we're probably both mafia and having a staged fight before even seeing how I reacted.

 

[thedon5]

I agree. Perhaps there is a chance he is a cop who is perhaps just playing poorly, but the fact is, he is adding little to the game and his behaviour has been very scummy. His constant self defence posts in reply to relatively small suspicions at various times aren't helping his cause either. Anyway, those are my reasons, as well as the reasons I posted in the previous pages.

Lynch: Aditya

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I am still wary though - last game Aditya was playing just like this and I was almost convinced he was Mafia, yet he turned out being the doc. The "it's how he plays" argument being thrown about is still valid to some extent, so I still feel he deserves a chance to try and improve his defence, but still, it's not looking good for him.

 

[RPHKR]

FOS: Aditya

I don't get why he jumped straight on lynching you rather than analyzing the write-up. User has been playing a sneaky game so far. Though I agree he has other commitments like CL.

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Lynch: Aditya

Applying some pressure. I just wanna ask why did you go straight to lynch without analysis.
Aditya, your gameplay doesn't look fine at all. I would suggest to change your type of posting in mafia games. You're very passive. It doesn't suit both town and mafia roles.

Might like to wanna User as well. Has everyone posted this day?

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Lynch: Aditya *

 

[thedon5]

User and Abhas haven't posted yet.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Wow talk about jumping straight into your paint-Sedition-as-the-killer plan. Not even time to read or analyse the write-up? Seems more like you're trying to make out you got a result rather than just a strong hunch.

this seems to be the basis of the attack on aditya, with the following posts mentioning flying straight into it as a pre-planned attack.

there was plenty of time after the write-up had been written before he posted his attack on sedition. seems a little flimsy to me.

I do think he is acting a bit suspiciously, but that's more based on his immediate back-tracking and give up than the fact he attacked somebody.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Yes, sorry. I have been online all the time but, not posting. There is a lot going on with my phone and I trying to sort it out (with planetcricket open). As soon as I finish it, I will post. Please bear with me.

 

[thedon5]

this seems to be the basis of the attack on aditya, with the following posts mentioning flying straight into it as a pre-planned attack.

there was plenty of time after the write-up had been written before he posted his attack on sedition. seems a little flimsy to me.

I do think he is acting a bit suspiciously, but that's more based on his immediate back-tracking and give up than the fact he attacked somebody.

He was already near the top of the list yesterday. His constant self defence and lack of any substantial input were just some of the problems with him, and that attack on Sedition just compounded those problems further. It is definitely not based solely on the attack on Sedition though as you suggested.

Anyway, waiting for his reply.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

He was already near the top of the list yesterday. His constant self defence and lack of any substantial input were just some of the problems with him, and that attack on Sedition just compounded those problems further. It is definitely not based solely on the attack on Sedition though as you suggested.

Anyway, waiting for his reply.

I didn't mean to say that was the sole reason, my point was more that the argument has developed into the fact he flew into the day recklessly with a pre-planned assault and completely ignoring the right up, this premise was established with the fact his post was made with no enough time to read the write-up. which isn't really true as there was plenty of time.

His attack is reckless and does look very fishy, just that i don't think the point about it being too soon after the write up is a solid basis.

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Meanwhile FOS: Barmyarmy for distancing himself from Aditya and saying we're probably both mafia and having a staged fight before even seeing how I reacted.

also i'd counter this. if aditya is mafia, then i highly doubt he's ask for a mafia buddies view on this (he specified treva and colin).

if he is mafia he knows he is being aggressive, and there is a chance of it back firing. it'd be foolish to then incriminate others. maybe it's be 1 mafia 1 town, but that doesn't seem wise either. I'm not saying if we lynch aditya and he is mafia and it clears them both, but it make it more likely that they are pro-town

 

[thedon5]

The point is though, there was no need for him to come out at Sedition like that. It indicates he possibly learned something about Sedition in the night phase (tracker/watcher or cop), or, more likely, he is trying to get the guy who has been questioning him for the last day lynched off quickly. That is very scummy behaviour. He's definitely the guy we go after next IMO.

Besides, even if you don't see that outburst as a good reason to go after him, fact is he has been one of the most suspicious players for the past couple of days, and his responses (or lack of them) from Day 2 as well warrant this pressure.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

The point is though, there was no need for him to come out at Sedition like that. It indicates he possibly learned something about Sedition in the night phase (tracker/watcher or cop), or, more likely, he is trying to get the guy who has been questioning him for the last day lynched off quickly. That is very scummy behaviour. He's definitely the guy we go after next IMO.

Besides, even if you don't see that outburst as a good reason to go after him, fact is he has been one of the most suspicious players for the past couple of days, and his responses (or lack of them) from Day 2 as well warrant this pressure.

agreed. I do think that his behavior is very fishy, all i was trying to say was the point about it being straight after the write-up was a little tenuous.

 

[ved_]

Time to jump on the bandwagon...
Unlynch:treva
Lynch:Aditya

It's interesting how Aditya gave up on Sedition, and then Sedition comes back retaliating. I feel that this move puts Sedition in a better place. Just a thought, though.

 

[Abhas]

Alright, I read the entire day's happenings very closely, and I'm very very sure someone is trying to put us on the wrong track. I can see someone lying, but can't really explain how.
I'm not too sure about Smurf's claim of roleblocker now. If he's the roleblocker, and there's another one in the game, he would have definitely been counter claimed. Even if I consider him to be the town blocker, the mafia blocker would have counter claimed easily, knowing that PD's not revealing roles, so there would be no way to verify the claim.

I have a feeling he's the mafia roleblocker, and as treva stated earlier, bkb was not blocked, rather the GF's kill got precedence over his. In the last game, the SK killed the GF, and the GF could still make the kill that night, so that would explain the GF getting a higher priority.

Either Smurf's lying, or Treva could claim to be a commuter?
There is a possibility of having a jailkeeper instead of a doc, however, I see no reason for a doc to protect Treva considering he was the prime suspicion last day, and there was nothing to suggest he was town or having an important role that would be targeted by the mafia.

I see no other way how Smurf's 'roleblock' of treva could be unsuccessful.

There is another possibility however, both Treva and Smurf could be lying, and both could well be mafia, which I feel is highly likely, considering the way they have played. Treva has subtly questioned Smurf, and by claiming to block Treva, Smurf has questioned Treva's alliance.

I'm also a bit suspicious of Sedition's play with Aditya..

Pretty much the only role I can give you credit for if you're town is insane cop. Obviously you're not a cop, otherwise you wouldn't be giving up so easy.

Why would you even consider him to be cop?

FOS: Smurf, Treva, Sedition, thedon5

I'm not too sure where to put my lynch on, but I'd like a few answers from Smurf and Treva first.