Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[ste_mc_efc]

It's pretty easy for me to narrow down what roles he could possibly have when his first act is to start the day like that and I know I'm town. I made my points clear enough when I lynched him and Aditya's done kerpluck all for the entire game, I'm pretty confident with my reasoning.

Something seems weird about you, Colin and Abhas, but unless someone posts something concrete or Aditya comes back and actually does something to convince people that he's town, I'm not going in circles with you guys.

oh so he didn't suggest it then, you've just inferred it or made it up?

 

[thedon5]

I dont know why I was unsuccessful Abhas. My initial thought was that treva didnt have a night role. Someone mentioned that there could be no doc, but a jailkeeper instead, and they targeted me last night. That to me would sound the most logical.

And I dont understand this whole priority thing over who's kill goes 1st. I thought they would both happen, and if the SK and GF target each other, they both die in the cross-fire. That's certainly been the case for all the games I've played in.

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Massive FOS at Zhuorb and thedon.

All game, both have you bandwagoned on to lynches straight away. The no lynch, the Smurf lynch, and now the Aditya lynch.

Highly suspicous of User2010 as well. He said his phone isnt working, but clearly it works enough for him to post. Nice little excuse to stay in the shadows.

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I dont know what to make of Aditya. I would have lynched him straight away if this wasnt his usual way of playing. Makes an easy target for the town to waste a day on if you're mafia.

I've bandwagoned? I gave several reasons for my lynch on Aditya, I didn't just say Lynch; Aditya, and I was also the first to put in something concrete IIRC with a FOS today.

 

[BKB1991]

Wow too much stuff going on.

Dont think Sedition is mafia as I have stated numerous times before. Aditya - well thats how he plays. He could be mafia but atm it seems like some horrible town play. Thats what happened with me in the last game - kept thinking he was mafia and he was a doctor.

In terms of bandwagoning, yes Zhuorb and the don seem to be doing it, I think the former is more guilty of it considering he hasnt come up with concrete reasons.

Also regarding Smurf - some interesting thoughts I would like to point out. I was going through the writeups trying to dig information and this is what I found on Day 2:

He was poised to strike. He made it in time. Reintegration could begin.

If you guys havent seen it I am 99% sure thats me. I tried to kill didnt get it done. And he made it in time is Prior making the save. Reintegration means that I was townie again so maybe thats why my kill was unsuccessful. So no thanks to you Smurf

Then Smurf claims to have got an unsuccessful from RB treva. Makes sense cause he did highlight Treva for scum play. But hes the town roleblocker right and no jailbreaker (assuming there is one) is going to go after Smurf when hes already claimed a town power role. Doesnt make sense to me atleast.

So basically your role is not verified yet. Cause I didnt kill, not because of your blocking and the second time you were "unsuccessful."

Its possibly with so many lynches on you, you decided to claim Town RB and Jonathan Trott, both brave claims that have yet to be CC'ed. Were you possibly hoping that someone counterclaims you and your mafia buddies no who that is?

Think this theory is a the very least plausible and also shows that Smurf is not necessarily pro-town in my eyes.

Little bit of pressure: Lynch: Smurf

Note: I think Aditya (cause of over defending and going after Sedition) and Zhuorb (hardly material contribution and bandwagoning) are also possibly lynch candidates but I also wanted to explore another angle while we are at it during the day.

 

[Sedition]

Aditya's entire contributions to the game..

Day 1 - A lot of short nothing posts and talking in circles when anything of length finally comes.

@User - BCCI as mafia! Try Modi.

He's just pointing out a possibility. Don't feel it's a big deal.

Lynch : User

Of course he's playing. You will be the first to know if he isn't, that's suspicious...

Unlynch : User
Lynch : Puddleduck]

How shall I say this delicately.... um... I don't like 'em his record is too good.

And you don't add the lynch on yourself. Being a mod really is pretty good, ain't it!

Mod killed? I am sorry mod, forgive me.

No Lynch

What do you mean by prospect of lynch? Keeping the last few games in mind, it's better that we all admit upon the fact that day 1 is bound to have less discussion, more less than one would expect. Discussing on day 1 is great but when there's nothing to discuss then it's pointless to keep stressing on it. This is going to be a long game and hence the gameplay changes and so does the way we play on day 1.

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No discussion only helps the mafia? You sure about that, Colin?

We all know who are under the radar although if not pointing it out means that someone is happy with it, then perhaps I am.

Day 2 - 36 hours before any kind of reaction to the new day. 36 hours is 36 hours, doesn't matter what timezone you're in.

Sedition, you sure are aware about the time difference between India and Australia. Been a busy weekend though, apologizes for my inactivity.

Someone raised a point about me jumping on bandwagon on day 1 and going for a no lynch. So what? Did we really had any discussion at all? What option I had apart from going for a no lynch?

@RPHKR - You really expect BKB to reveal who he targeted?



PD actually replied back saying you are now dead? That's weird. Mods don't usually reply back saying that you are now dead.

Not that I want to defend User, I've got no read on any player at all but I have to agree with him here. He has nothing to defend himself for, regardless of the pressure being put on him, I still don't really get what he has to defend himself for..

I was planning to run a game. Diwali break got over on friday and hence I'm no more as free as I was the previous week.

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Sedition, I don't see the point of you questioning my stance or anyone else' on a no lynch. You placed your lynch here. You neither supported a no lynch or went after any other member. To sum up, I don't understand what your tactics were on day 1.

Suspicions cast? Going after members because they supported no lynch on day 1 is suspicious cast or trying too hard to get RC from townie/'s? Lynching/pressurizing members to support a no lynch is basically town play! Also, where did I defend Zhourb yesterday? I don't look particularly town, well, so am I right to say that someone else is starting to look town, if so who?

BKB, you've played several games with me and whereas I've been very defensive in the recent games I've played, you would remember I was very aggressive in the earlier games I played. I was usually questioned for being too aggressive and hence why I changed my gameplay but if that works in this game, no issues.

Sedition doesn't look town to me, for that matter no one does as of now but I never defended Zhourb and I defended User and made a valid point, on the last page. He and Colin started questioning User, me and thedon for placing a no lynch, I'd repeat again, I'm not against pressurizing players but their points need to be valid. Sedition is questioning our no lynch stance but what did he do on day 1? A quality player like him placed a lynch on Manly and I'm sure he was kidding as the reason he gave was "Manly makes a valid point". Apart from this, what did he do on day 1? BKB, I ask you, what is better, placing lynches like that or simply going for a no lynch?

@Sedition - User asked for our views, I posted what I felt/feel. I really don't see where you are going with this. You questioned my stance on a no lynch on day 1, I questioned your gameplay on day 1. We're going around circles and we don't need that at this point of the game.

There are already enough lynches on Smurf and considering that he hasn't come online since yesterday, I hope he puts forward a defense soon. Abhas mentions about character claims from people who are looking scum, what do the rest of you think about it? Considering that we don't exactly know what role is associated with what alignment, character claiming will be pointless.

Day 3 - ~30 minutes after PD posts the write-up, Aditya appears with his renewed strong suspicions on me, seemingly having no interest in the new info from the write-up or waiting to see if anyone has a result, instead he acts as though he learned something overnight about me (yes this is my belief obviously, he hasn't claimed any role, but who else acts that way other than a PR with some kind of guilty?).

His second post explains that he needs to clear any doubts people had about him from before, even though discussion has barely even begun, he's trying to defend himself? How exactly? By immediately going after me?

Third and final post for today he's content with my response and the fact that no one else is suspicious of me, so that's done..

I've been inactive, I know. I was planning to run a game, yes. I was planning run it during the diwali break, do I need to remind that? It wasn't going to be a big game like this and hence I don't see how my inactivity in this game and me planning to run a game are related! I'd just come out and say, I don't like the way Sedition's playing in this game. This is what I feel and I'd tell you why..

When I asked him why he lynched Manly on day 1, this is what he had to say;



Now, Sedition, I'm very curious to know what did your lynch on Manly tell you?

Moving on, Sedition put pressure on me and lynched me. Questioned my day 1 tactics, I questioned his. I don't see how I did anything wrong. Later, he unlynched me, don't really know why, I've been inactive and didn't really put forward a "impressive" defense, did I? Later, Sedition lynched Papa, following Abhas' lead. Hence, I would like to know what exactly was Sedition thinking on day 1 by lynching Manly, he's going after me for my inactivity/for me going for a no lynch on day 1 or simply because he's too desperate as a mafia to lynch a townie, as simple as that. To put some pressure,

Lynch : Sedition

I'd like to know what Treva and Colin think about Sedition.

Smurf, the day has just started, I need to clear everyone's doubts on me first. I wasn't active for the whole of last day, questions were raised about me. I'd keep it simple and say, I find Sedition suspicious and I'm pressuring him. It may not make perfect sense but BKB mentioned this earlier in the game that I usually play a self defending game and am not aggressive. Right now, I'm being aggressive towards Sedition. If he posts a good defense tomorrow, I'd go after someone else but I wont go around circles and pressuring just about everyone, without really knowing what I'm doing. I've stated why I'm suspicious of Sedition and hence my pressure should hopefully make sense.

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Ste, check this. It has basically details about most of the commonly used roles in mafia games, at least around here.

Alright fine, I got the answers I was looking for. No one of you thinks Sedition is suspicious, fine. I wont be like earlier games and continuing with my useless aggressiveness, moving on.

Mason thing pointed out by Smurf(?) makes sense. If I remember correctly, Manly pointed it out several times, that treva is usually inactive while he is mafia. So, perhaps his partner too agreed upon the fact that Treva should be pressured! Apart from Treva, I don't really think Manly was aggressive towards anyone else.

For those of you going after me when I've been one of the most active and have actually tried to convey my suspicions when we've had nothing in the way of results, then I question your motives to find me somehow more suspicious than Aditya.

 

[thedon5]

Who exactly found you suspicious? I'm pretty sure Aditya was the only one.

 

[Sedition]

Abhas directly cast FOS on me and said that Aditya is no more suspicious than the 10 other players, so I guess that includes the 4 people he put the FOS on right before too. Or the 4 of us are actually more suspicious than Aditya and everyone else, I can't quite make sense of that.

Ste at least agreed that Aditya seems scummy, but his most recent posts seem more focused on trying to take my suspicions apart and trying to find holes that aren't there. Maybe he's just trying to take a neutral perspective, but I still find it strange that he's more interested in my posts when Aditya hasn't even attempted to scumhunt or post much worthwhile.

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Nor is Aditya bothering to respond to anything or be remotely active, while I've continued to post my thoughts from Day 1

 

[thedon5]

I think there's enough pressure on Aditya now, four lynches I think (Sedition, me, RPHKR, Zhuorb) it'd be better if he claimed the next time he came on, with BKB and ste seemingly ready to make the lynch as well.

 

[RPHKR]

I see no other way how Smurf's 'roleblock' of treva could be unsuccessful.

Yeah, the town jailkeeper is ruled out. If there exists a mafia roleblocker, he would have easily claimed. But it could get others' attention towards him too. If the mafia roleblocker exists, I don't get why he chose to block another roleblocker.

 

[ved_]

wait, what? if he was a cop he would still be going after you then?

Yes, totally.

I dont know why I was unsuccessful Abhas. My initial thought was that treva didnt have a night role. Someone mentioned that there could be no doc, but a jailkeeper instead, and they targeted me last night. That to me would sound the most logical.

And I dont understand this whole priority thing over who's kill goes 1st. I thought they would both happen, and if the SK and GF target each other, they both die in the cross-fire. That's certainly been the case for all the games I've played in.

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Massive FOS at Zhuorb and thedon.

All game, both have you bandwagoned on to lynches straight away. The no lynch, the Smurf lynch, and now the Aditya lynch.

Highly suspicous of User2010 as well. He said his phone isnt working, but clearly it works enough for him to post. Nice little excuse to stay in the shadows.

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I dont know what to make of Aditya. I would have lynched him straight away if this wasnt his usual way of playing. Makes an easy target for the town to waste a day on if you're mafia.

I don't see why bandwagoning is even close to harmful in a situation like this. Why is lynching treva worth the gamble? He already claimed vanilla, so I think you should move on and look for other leads. I'd lynch him as a last resort, if I find other people towny.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Alright, finally my mind is at it's right place and I've read last few pages well. Now, coming onto Day 3. Manly was killed and was Swann. We need to know what could Manly's role be? Maybe not very influencing as he acted strange prior to his death. I think he pulled attention on himself to save PRs? But, why would he do that actually? We need to be alive at the end to win the game so, unless he could still win with his 'partner' being alive, I don't see any other reason of posting such posts.

Now, I'm suspicious of quite a few people actually. I'll post one by one (no priority)

Aditya. The reason for Aditya is how quickly he backtracked after lynching Sedition. I don't see Aditya posting without reading the writeup as a reason to suspect him though. Aditya said he has got his answers. But, where? I didn't find anything...

Zhuorb.

Hmm yea treva has to be pressured.
Lynch:treva

Time to jump on the bandwagon...
Unlynch:treva
Lynch:Aditya

It's interesting how Aditya gave up on Sedition, and then Sedition comes back retaliating. I feel that this move puts Sedition in a better place. Just a thought, though.

All he has done is jump on the bandwagon and add nothing. I'll put it down as poor play though.

Sedition and theDon. Something tells me that these both are a team. They want to get Aditya lynched? Maybe. Don has been very vocal about Sedition's posts against Aditya. Wherever Ste tried to raise a point it was Don who responded where I felt Sedition should have. I don't really know but, worth a look.

I'm getting town vibes from Ste, I am not really sure of anyone else though. Smurf's claim hasn't been cced and I do believe Trott will be there in the game and Trott surely can't be a mafia? I mean based on RL or he can be? And, you never know with Abhas. But, this time I feel I can sense him being town. Again, I'd like to bring up Colin. Yes, he's busy. But, in whatever he has posted, he doesn't seem the same one. There is something wrong with him... I can't really point out what.

I don't see why bandwagoning is even close to harmful in a situation like this. Why is lynching treva worth the gamble? He already claimed vanilla, so I think you should move on and look for other leads. I'd lynch him as a last resort, if I find other people towny.

He claimed and you believed him? Nice!

 

[thedon5]

Sedition and theDon. Something tells me that these both are a team. They want to get Aditya lynched? Maybe. Don has been very vocal about Sedition's posts against Aditya. Wherever Ste tried to raise a point it was Don who responded where I felt Sedition should have. I don't really know but, worth a look.

You haven't seen how hard Sedition has been going after me? I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to go after me after Aditya.

 

[Gaurav_7]

As I said, just a point to look at. The thing is both Aditya and Sedition are extremes. Aditya can go defending himself whereas Sedition's aggression is unmatched. You can never know with these two. And, when they are the main 'topic' of discussion, it gets that much more difficult.

 

[Abhas]

Abhas directly cast FOS on me and said that Aditya is no more suspicious than the 10 other players, so I guess that includes the 4 people he put the FOS on right before too. Or the 4 of us are actually more suspicious than Aditya and everyone else, I can't quite make sense of that.

I put a FOS on 4 people who, to me are the most suspicious. Till we can verify the identity of any of the townies, there is no reason for me to believe anyone is town, thus, everyone else is equally suspicious.

From what I see, something is not fitting in perfectly with Smurf and Treva's claims, and your aggression against Aditya makes me feel either of you has to be mafia. If it's not Aditya, it has to be you. The problem with Aditya is, he's usually very hard to believe, even as a townie.


The problem is, I haven't followed English cricket lately (or cricket at all for that matter), and I can't relate to why Trott has to be in the game, or the Anderson-Swann thing. Else, I was very confident either or both of Treva and Smurf are lying.

Anyway, I think we should hear Treva's CC and RC. He said he has no night role. I don't think he should have a problem with claiming, and neither should any of us.

I'm also thinking about whether the possibility of a jailkeeper actually exists or not.. If Smurf's telling the truth, I don't see why town should have 2 roleblockers (Jailkeeper is also essentially a roleblocker, with protective ability).

 

[treva]

I'm not convinced PD wouldn't just say Papa Smurf's role block was unsuccessful because I don't have a night role. Surely it is technically unsuccessful because its not doing anything at all? Smurf has been pretty aggressive towards me and a few others have been attacking me and then immediately dropping it. I'd put money on at least one of the guys who have attempted a lynch at me is mafia.

 

[Abhas]

I'm not convinced PD wouldn't just say Papa Smurf's role block was unsuccessful because I don't have a night role. Surely it is technically unsuccessful because its not doing anything at all? Smurf has been pretty aggressive towards me and a few others have been attacking me and then immediately dropping it. I'd put money on at least one of the guys who have attempted a lynch at me is mafia.

I'm sorry, I don't get you. Are you trying to imply here that you have a night role now?
I'm 200% certain that unsuccessful means an inability to perform the role, rather than talking about the role's effectiveness.
Tell me, if a tracker tracked a vanilla townie, and found him going nowhere, would he be told his result or would he be told 'unsuccessful'?

Also, your reluctance to claim your character or role, despite having previously stated you have no night role makes me even more suspicious of you.
Also, the statement, "I'd put money on at least one of the guys who have attempted a lynch at me is mafia." is just to deter the town from voting against you, fearing in-case you're town, then they are under suspicion.
I'm not having any of that.

Lynch: Treva