Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[Sedition]

I'm thinking 2 or 3 mafia with possibly one more in the form of a vampire/traitor, that line about there being another if they could find him bothers me. BKB was killed that night, so it wasn't referring to another mason. So it's either another mafia member or another SK perhaps? 2 SKs, a cult and no mafia?

The thing that jumped out about me with Ste, along with Abhas, was seemingly trying to discredit my reasons for lynching Aditya. It makes more sense from my perspective when I know I'm town, but the way I see it, if Adi is mafia then they were either defending their partner by calling me into question, or if they know Adi is not mafia, it doesn't hurt to be seen defending him when they know the roleclaim is already inevitable.

Just something that struck me as strange at the time, and doesn't really mean much unless people know I'm town, and even then is merely suspicion.

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[Abhas]

The thing that jumped out about me with Ste, along with Abhas, was seemingly trying to discredit my reasons for lynching Aditya. It makes more sense from my perspective when I know I'm town, but the way I see it, if Adi is mafia then they were either defending their partner by calling me into question, or if they know Adi is not mafia, it doesn't hurt to be seen defending him when they know the roleclaim is already inevitable.

Just something that struck me as strange at the time, and doesn't really mean much unless people know I'm town, and even then is merely suspicion.

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Oh, let me clarify, I never defended anyone, I posted my opinion about Treva and Smurf. You don't like it, you can ignore it, like you conveniently did. You're just being a hypocrite by talking about people's past games and how you can read everyone based on how they play, yet, when I try to read into Aditya's gameplay as his normal style, you call it defending.
I reckon you need to get out of earlier games and play this afresh.

All the aggression you've shown towards him have been uncalled for, especially considering you've no basis for the accusations, much like him. It's good to be suspicious, but being paranoid is harmful for the town. I'll have to agree with Aditya, you're accusing him of being one-directional, but looking at your game, you've been pretty uni-directional yourself, all you've done is challenge those who've been suspicious of you.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I'm thinking 2 or 3 mafia with possibly one more in the form of a vampire/traitor, that line about there being another if they could find him bothers me. BKB was killed that night, so it wasn't referring to another mason. So it's either another mafia member or another SK perhaps? 2 SKs, a cult and no mafia?

The thing that jumped out about me with Ste, along with Abhas, was seemingly trying to discredit my reasons for lynching Aditya. It makes more sense from my perspective when I know I'm town, but the way I see it, if Adi is mafia then they were either defending their partner by calling me into question, or if they know Adi is not mafia, it doesn't hurt to be seen defending him when they know the roleclaim is already inevitable.

Just something that struck me as strange at the time, and doesn't really mean much unless people know I'm town, and even then is merely suspicion.

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you definitely seem to have a one track mind here. you have decided that it's suspicious that i defended aditya (when i said i found him suspicious, just not by following the exact path you laid out, which is apparently a strident defense now)


and you've said that if he is mafia it's fishy that i defended him, and then that if he is town it is still fishy. basically you have decided that i am a suspect and are just fitting things in around that.

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Not everyone plays for the win. Personally, when I'm vanilla, I aim to get myself targeted early and actually help my teammates, even though the longer I play, the less I think they deserve it.

Zhuorb I haven't seen anything too crazy from, though part of the reason I've put him aside for now is that he has a very low threshold for claiming, whether he's a PR or vanilla. I took advantage of this last game when I was mafia, but as the game goes on it becomes less of a risk to pressure him.

I went after thedon pretty hard yesterday, maybe I'm wrong about both him and Aditya but at the very least I've gotten them to post more and thedon seems to have gotten into the game now. I responded to multiple posts of Ste's and since I thought I was pretty clear in my initial post, I was not going in circles with someone that could very well be mafia and was basically defending Aditya by trying to cast doubt on the one leading the lynch.

Since thedon had also found Aditya scummy and placed a lynch, then he obviously has his own thoughts and should post them too, unlike Zhuorb who you mentioned that placed a lynch, but didn't give much reasoning.

Abhas hasn't posted a great deal all game as far as I can see. Last game was much the same but he made up for it with activity in the mafia QT. No doubt some of these players that have only posted a handful of times all game have been far more active in the QT, which we were allowed to post in all day before.

Since we have no results and if we're going to take Smurf and Aditya's (if no one CCs) claims as true, then I think a mass character claim might be beneficial. If we find that everyone can post a legitimate England player, then we know we can't confirm people on basis of going uncountered.

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If it hasn't been helpful to you that I've been grilling multiple people and getting responses from them, then not only haven't you been helpful in the slightest, you're not even taking in information.

this seems strange. you used pressuring someone into claiming as a mafia tactic, then try to get everybody to mass claim as town. not very consistent.

 

[thedon5]

How many mafia do guys think there are? With a possible cult involved, it might just be 2, taking into account the SK as well. If no cult, then it might be 3-4.

Right now, the 2 most suspicous characters to me are Treva and Colin. Colin has been way too passive for my liking, while Treva's posted nothing of importance. Along with that, I actually dont believe his claim of having no role. PD said this would be a game with a certain flavour, so I find it hard to believe there would be vanillas in the game.

I agree with you RPHKR is giving town vibes, but I'm not too surs on Ste. This is is his 1st game, and he could easily have asked his questions about the game on the mafia QT rather than here. What about his game do you find most scum, Sedition?

He only said no night role - what if it's a day role or something like bulletproof?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

He only said no night role - what if it's a day role or something like bulletproof?

bullet proof is a night role is it not? just passive.

unless people can day kill i guess.

 

[thedon5]

Lynch: treva

I want a proper claim from him, his play has looked suspicious all game and he has added little of note. Another guy using a lot of unnecessary self-defence as well.

I believe that's the third lynch on him (Zhuorb, Abhas, me), maybe Smurf lynched him too, so should be sufficient pressure to get a real claim out of him.

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bullet proof is a night role is it not? just passive.

unless people can day kill i guess.

I'm not sure haha, I thought passive roles don't really count as 'roles', I thought a night role means cop, tracker, doctor, SK, etc. Something you send in to PD.

Anyway, I want to hear his exact role he hasn't convinced me all game.

 

[Sedition]

Oh, let me clarify, I never defended anyone, I posted my opinion about Treva and Smurf. You don't like it, you can ignore it, like you conveniently did. You're just being a hypocrite by talking about people's past games and how you can read everyone based on how they play, yet, when I try to read into Aditya's gameplay as his normal style, you call it defending.
I reckon you need to get out of earlier games and play this afresh.

All the aggression you've shown towards him have been uncalled for, especially considering you've no basis for the accusations, much like him. It's good to be suspicious, but being paranoid is harmful for the town. I'll have to agree with Aditya, you're accusing him of being one-directional, but looking at your game, you've been pretty uni-directional yourself, all you've done is challenge those who've been suspicious of you.

As I said, from my perspective it looked like defending, maybe you were, maybe you weren't, that's just how I saw it. Other people will see it differently, especially when no one can be sure that I'm town.

Don't see why I would be required to comment on your suspicions of Treva or Smurf either, which you say I conveniently ignored. If I have something to say about them, I will.

I never said I could read everyone from their past games either. I often refer to previous games and bring up facts about what certain people have done, or talk about how PD's setups have been for the benefit of those that didn't play. Pretty much everyone will use someone's play from previous games to judge them in the current one anyway.

And your last point about all I've done is challenge people that have been suspicious of me? Show me where Aditya, thedon and Smurf were suspicious of me before I went after them yesterday. I also placed a FOS on you earlier in the game, and no I haven't actually covered the entire player list, so the only person I've actually reacted to is Ste today, hardly targeting only those suspicious of me like you suggest.

you definitely seem to have a one track mind here. you have decided that it's suspicious that i defended aditya (when i said i found him suspicious, just not by following the exact path you laid out, which is apparently a strident defense now)


and you've said that if he is mafia it's fishy that i defended him, and then that if he is town it is still fishy. basically you have decided that i am a suspect and are just fitting things in around that.

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this seems strange. you used pressuring someone into claiming as a mafia tactic, then try to get everybody to mass claim as town. not very consistent.

A character claim and a roleclaim are two completely different things. I was making a point about Zhuorb having a low threshold for claiming in the past, so at the risk of him being town, I put him aside initially as I don't want a PR or vanilla type role outing themselves early.

A mass character claim on the other hand does not reveal roles, and as I said, if everyone claims a plausible England or whatever other nation role, then that tells us either the scum have gotten lucky or PD has more than likely given them some names to use.

 

[Sedition]

Btw Ste, not sure if you're aware, but highlighting and ripping sentences out of someone's post is a pretty amateur scum tactic, and you've done that quite a lot today. How you linked my talking about Zhuorb's low threshold for roleclaiming with my suggestion of a mass character claim I'll never know.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Btw Ste, not sure if you're aware, but highlighting and ripping sentences out of someone's post is a pretty amateur scum tactic, and you've done that quite a lot today. How you linked my talking about Zhuorb's low threshold for roleclaiming with my suggestion of a mass character claim I'll never know.

how else are you meant to analyse what people have said and ask questions while avoiding confusion of memorising everything?

I was posting in the same format in regards to papa_smurf and you didn't say anything about it then. Happy to stand by and let me focus on a townie perhaps? and now that i'm asking you questions (not even really suspecting you, just asking for clarifications and explanations more than anything else) you point it out.

obviously i've confused those terms because it's my first forum mafia game. the only werewolf game i played was on irc and it just had villager or the role. no character names.

 

[thedon5]

Sorry, forgot to unlynch Aditya.

Unlynch: Aditya

Lynch: treva

Also forgot to analyse Aditya's role claim... If Aditya is telling the truth and he is the mason, he is useless to us anyway, he can't discuss with Manly any more and he has added nothing to the game either. So even if he was town, it wouldn't hurt us, would it... Other than perhaps wasting a day. So if we can't come to a conclusion towards the end of day 3 or day 4, I think we should definitely lynch Aditya. I reckon he could be telling the truth though, last game he was playing town very poorly and he could be doing the same here too. Till then, let's keep discussing and we can come back to him if need be.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Sorry, forgot to unlynch Aditya.

Unlynch: Aditya

Lynch: treva

Also forgot to analyse Aditya's role claim... If Aditya is telling the truth and he is the mason, he is useless to us anyway, he can't discuss with Manly any more and he has added nothing to the game either. So even if he was town, it wouldn't hurt us, would it... Other than perhaps wasting a day. So if we can't come to a conclusion towards the end of day 3 or day 4, I think we should definitely lynch Aditya. I reckon he could be telling the truth though, last game he was playing town very poorly and he could be doing the same here too. Till then, let's keep discussing and we can come back to him if need be.

well if anyone can counter claim jimmy anderson then it effectively means that he is mafia. if not it seems he is town and it's a waste of a lynch.

 

[RPHKR]

User has been sneaking this day. Zhuorb's play is of 'no use' till now.
I want Treva to mention his character. Simply 'no night role' makes no sense. Then he can even be a mafia goon.

Are you kidding me? You expect me to reveal that I'm the other mason, just after my partner has died? Oh come on.

Yeah, you were the most suspicious. There's no use for mafia to target you after your claim and everyone would have believed you if you done that first up.

You could have told what your partner thought. This would have been greatly helpful to us and to clear the suspicion on you.

 

[thedon5]

well if anyone can counter claim jimmy anderson then it effectively means that he is mafia. if not it seems he is town and it's a waste of a lynch.

He still isn't informing us of Manly's dossier, and there doesn't have to be a CC for him to be Mafia. I'm saying that we definitely should lynch him if we aren't close to anyone else at the end of the day, certainly better to lynch him than go for another no lynch.

Every possibility non-town players were given fake claims too. Don't rely only on CCs.

Anyway waiting for treva's roleclaim.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

He still isn't informing us of Manly's dossier, and there doesn't have to be a CC for him to be Mafia. I'm saying that we definitely should lynch him if we aren't close to anyone else at the end of the day, certainly better to lynch him than go for another no lynch.

Every possibility non-town players were given fake claims too. Don't rely only on CCs.

Anyway waiting for treva's roleclaim.

well yes but if he gets CCd and then lynched and is actually jimmy, we can lynch the CCer with ease.

i just mean that it's highly likely anderson is a character, so if nobody counters then he is probably him.

not telling us what manly thought is very dodgy though. I will probably throw a lynch on him if he doesn't have any answers.

 

[thedon5]

well yes but if he gets CCd and then lynched and is actually jimmy, we can lynch the CCer with ease.

i just mean that it's highly likely anderson is a character, so if nobody counters then he is probably him.

not telling us what manly thought is very dodgy though. I will probably throw a lynch on him if he doesn't have any answers.

I don't think anyone will CC him unless they are actually Jimmy, would be a poor move on their part and as you mentioned they'll be digging themselves a hole.

It's a good fake claim to make for that exact reason. Tbh your over reliance on a CC and your belief that Aditya is most likely telling the truth is suspicious to me, the only guys who would accept the way Aditya is playing are guys who have played him before, especially last game...

He won't give any answers, he has said he won't be on for the next couple of days and it'll be day 4 by then. That's why I say we lynch him for sure if we can't come to any conclusions by the end of the day 3, or day 4.

I think treva is our next case of action, so if treva turns out less scummy than Aditya we'll be forced to lynch Aditya. Aditya is looking a lot like he's lying though.