Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[BKB1991]

Wrote a freaking long post only to see my net disconnected when I posted it. FARK.

Summarised - Sorry for my inactivity today and tomorrow (going hiking).

What do you guys think about my Smurf theory? Worth pursuing?

Lynch: Zhuorb Only two other candidates imo can be lynched today - Aditya and Treva. The former has got a good character claim atm, whereas the latter has got enough votes for the time being.

 

[treva]

You wouldn't believe me though. I'm not stupid enough to give my character up just like that. All I can tell you is I have no night role and I am town.

Zhuorb and RPHKR have been by far the worst contributors so far. At least I've posted my own views, they've just regurgitated the points others have made.

For that alone I'm going to lynch RPHKR. Just want to see if he actually says something when under some sort of pressure.

Lynch: RPHKR.

 

[thedon5]

You wouldn't believe me though. I'm not stupid enough to give my character up just like that. All I can tell you is I have no night role and I am town.

Zhuorb and RPHKR have been by far the worst contributors so far. At least I've posted my own views, they've just regurgitated the points others have made.

For that alone I'm going to lynch RPHKR. Just want to see if he actually says something when under some sort of pressure.

Lynch: RPHKR.

Why wouldn't we believe you?

Stupid enough? A lot of people are suspicious of you, you're not far from being lynched, it's no "just like that"

You have added little and have been largely inactive.

I'll let my lynch on you stand.

 

[Aditya]

So, a townie without any powerful role doesn't need to be alive? Is that it? I haven't contributed, I know. What are most of you doing, have you even gave it serious thinking? Sedition is posting his views, in an aggressive way, you like it and follow whatever he says blindly.

What thedon and RPHKR have posted on the last page is shocking. With 1 townie dead, 1 townie skipping out of the game and a few inactive members, you guys are still in favor of lynching a TOWNIE, because he is not contributing. Seriously, I've had enough of this, the town in this game just doesn't believe anything and questions just about every move. You want to lynch me, lynch me. Just to let you all know before you lynch me, Manly and I both felt that Sedition and Colin are working together, I didn't want to reveal this just yet but whatever. Where is Colin anyway?

 

[thedon5]

Follow what Sedition says blindly? I can't speak for everyone, but I definitely haven't been following Sedition at all, see my lynch on treva.

We aren't certain you're a townie, we can't 100% believe your role-claim, at least I don't. You have been genuinely scummy all game, if we can't get proper ideas on who to lynch it wouldn't be a bad idea at all to lynch you IMO, for the three main reasons I've previously stated. You've added little, we can't believe your role-claim and even so, your role isn't vital to the game by any means like a doc was.

That is how I feel, you may just be playing town poorly, but I'm not so sure.

 

[Gaurav_7]

You wouldn't believe me though. I'm not stupid enough to give my character up just like that. All I can tell you is I have no night role and I am town.

Wow, I think when you have no role then why can't you claim? Why won't we believe you? Because you are mafia?

Unlynch
Lynch: Treva

 

[Sedition]

I read that masons can often be an alternative to having a cop, because it already gives the town some clears from the beginning. If that's the case, I'd very much like to trade these two useless masons in for a cop..

 

[Abhas]

He was poised to strike. He made it in time. Reintegration could begin.

He didn't even make it home, the big cheese had made his first move.

Somewhere out there was another, if they could find him.

I just happened to go to cricinfo to check out the score, when this caught my eye: India v England, 2nd Test, Mumbai, 2nd day : Dobell: Kevin Pietersen justifies his reintegration | Cricket Features | India v England | ESPN Cricinfo

I don't know how relevant it may be now, but I feel it's worth putting across. We inferred from the initial writeup that KP was the SK and needed to be 'cured' by Matt Prior, so that he can become town.
Now, in this writeup, let me break it down:
He [KP] was poised to strike. - He targeted a person at night to be killed.
He [Prior] made it in time. - Prior targeted BKB, before BKB's kill could go through.
Reintegration could begin. - KP is now town, having been 'cured/converted' by Prior.

Well, obviously, if BKB's no longer the SK, his kill will not go through, and he's likely to get an unsuccessful result.

He didn't even make it home, the big cheese had made his first move. - This however means that the Mafia also targeted BKB and killed him.

Somewhere out there was another, if they could find him. - Definite reference to the mafia, because "they" would be referring to a group of people who know each other.. and that's mafia.

This concludes there is no cult, so we do not need to think about a cult in the game.
It also makes Smurf's claim less trustworthy, because we can't be sure if BKB's kill not going through was a result of his block, or because of the points I've just raised.

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I read that masons can often be an alternative to having a cop, because it already gives the town some clears from the beginning. If that's the case, I'd very much like to trade these two useless masons in for a cop..

And, how do you conclude these two masons to be useless? Suspecting you would make everyone wrong is it?

I would like to agree with their analysis. If you look back in the thread, I've specifically laid my suspicion on Colin and Sedition as well, and it was precisely for the same reason, I felt they were working as a team.

I'm trying to look at it as neutrally as possible, but as much as I try to put Aditya into mafia's shoes, I can't get you out of them either.

At the moment though, I'd love to hear what Treva comes up as a claim. What are the chances he's going to claim miller?

 

[RPHKR]

You wouldn't believe me though. I'm not stupid enough to give my character up just like that. All I can tell you is I have no night role and I am town.

Zhuorb and RPHKR have been by far the worst contributors so far. At least I've posted my own views, they've just regurgitated the points others have made.

For that alone I'm going to lynch RPHKR. Just want to see if he actually says something when under some sort of pressure.

Why wouldn't we believe? This makes you more suspicious if you say you won't believe. Maybe because you've got nothing in your mind to claim. So if at all your claim is weak, you could say again that you told us "we won't believe".
Worst contribution?
Did you just spare time in looking at all the posts? It's better if you read the previous pages actually. And you didn't yet answer my question.

@Aditya - I just said that it would have been better if you claimed immediately after your partner's death. So the suspicion on you would have been cleared at first.

 

[thedon5]

Yep, RPHKR has added more than treva, that's for sure.

Let's here that role-claim treva.

 

[treva]

The wouldn't believe me bit was in response to a certain post. Not sure which as I was pissed and therefore forgot to quote reply. I am Alastair Cook, I don't have a night role but as England captain my vote counts twice.

 

[Sedition]

And, how do you conclude these two masons to be useless? Suspecting you would make everyone wrong is it?

I would like to agree with their analysis. If you look back in the thread, I've specifically laid my suspicion on Colin and Sedition as well, and it was precisely for the same reason, I felt they were working as a team.

I'm trying to look at it as neutrally as possible, but as much as I try to put Aditya into mafia's shoes, I can't get you out of them either.

At the moment though, I'd love to hear what Treva comes up as a claim. What are the chances he's going to claim miller?

Because Colin and I aren't working together is how I reach my conclusion

Would you like to quote where you specifically laid your suspicions on me and Colin working together?

I've been suspicious of Colin too for the record. From the beginning when he applied a little pressure to Zhuorb (who often claims cheaply), to saying Aditya and my fight looks staged before I had even responded and finally for someone who normally narrows down the scum faster than most, he hasn't cast any strong suspicions and we're now on Day 3.

Considering you said that I've only attacked people that were suspicious of me, which is complete and utter garbage, you're either not paying a great deal of attention or you're just pulling your analysis out of your ass.

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and this game is getting incredibly boring with a few people that haven't posted at all, or very little in a couple of days.

 

[Aditya]

Um.. suspicious of Colin, right? To my knowledge, you haven't posted that at all so far, not up until I and Abhas pointed out, our views on the theory of you and Colin working together. Although, you yourself pointed out just a few pages back that you've tried to pressure whoever you've felt is playing suspiciously. Falling in your own trap?

 

[puddleduck]

Sorry guys, been busy. Will try and go back through everything and give a vote count.

Also, 24 hours left in the day

 

[Sedition]

Um.. suspicious of Colin, right? To my knowledge, you haven't posted that at all so far, not up until I and Abhas pointed out, our views on the theory of you and Colin working together. Although, you yourself pointed out just a few pages back that you've tried to pressure whoever you've felt is playing suspiciously. Falling in your own trap?

Why am I not surprised that you haven't noticed this when you clearly haven't been paying attention, not even to my posts, the one you're most suspicious of for over a week? Obviously I was right about your attack on me today being preplanned. You either planned it overnight with Manly, your mason buddy, or your mafia buddies.

Day 1 - My suspicion on Colin for pressuring Zhuorb.

Reasonable suspicion from User onto Zhuorb for his comment, not sure there's anything there, but Aditya being quick to disregard it is interesting, as well as Colin looking for a weak reason to jump on board and possibly get another cheap claim from Zhuorb.

Pretty sure that was your tactic last game. Interesting that you would mention it...

Nope, I didn't jump on board, I was the first to go after him specifically to get him to claim. Your jumping on board with me just sped up the process. Looks like you saw how genius that was and would like to build a little pressure on him early.

and if/when someone does claim an insignificant role early, under little pressure, I will always be looking to lynch them out for playing so poorly and assisting the mafia.

So what you're saying is that if there is "reasonable" suspicion (your words) one person is allowed to mention it but anyone who also mentions it (without a lynch or FOS) is jumping on board and trying to force a claim?
I can see that this game is really going to flow...

Who haven't we heard from yet? Abhas? Smurf?

It was reasonable from User in that he was the first to mention it and looks like a townie trying to scumhunt. You, on the other hand posted right after Zhuorb, but didn't feel it was worth mentioning until it was pointed out.

Kinda surprised that you took my suspicion on you seriously when it's not in a bolded FOS and was a fairly minor observation.

If this didn't happen everything the two of played you might have a point...

Day 3 - My suspicion on Colin for the "staged" fight and him seemingly losing his touch as a scumhunter.

I'm wondering a bit if there's a staged fight here between sedition and Aditya to "clear" the other one in case one gets lynched. It's a bit strange otherwise how defensive Aditya is and how he keeps going at sedition.

This post bothers me a bit. I hadn't even responded to Aditya's wild start to the day, so to say you think it's staged is a bit weird.

Realised that your mafia buddy put his foot into it by immediately launching into his attack at the beginning of the day?

I don't see why. Aditya asked if I thought you were mafia so I said "don't know but if he is then there's a good chance you are as well."

He does seem very desperate to lynch you.

Meanwhile FOS: Barmyarmy for distancing himself from Aditya and saying we're probably both mafia and having a staged fight before even seeing how I reacted.

Considering Colin has picked at least 1 scum in the opening couple of days of games I've played with him, and picked all 3 scum on Day 2 with no results last game, it makes me wonder if he's lost his touch this game, or just isn't trying very hard. He's a high priority target every game whether he picks the scum or not right away, so I don't buy the excuse of just trying to stay alive.