Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[puddleduck]

Vote Count

Sedition (1) - Aditya
Treva (4) - Papa Smurf, Abhas, thedon, User
Aditya (1) - Zhuorb
RPHKR (1) - Treva
Zhuorb (1) - BKB

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 23 hours left in the day.

(Hopefully that's at least a reasonably correct vote count)

 

[Sedition]

So these are the claims we have so far:

Sedition
RPHKR
BKBv2
User
Abhas
Zhuorb
Thedon
Barmyarmy
Ste
Treva - Double voter: Alastair Cook
Smurf - Roleblocker: Jonathan Trott
Aditya - Mason: Jimmy Anderson
Manly - Mason: Graeme Swann
BKB - SK: Kevin Pietersen

I've already suggested a mass character claim might be a good option since no one is coming forward with any results. So far no one else has thought much of it. Still waiting on Colin and Zhuorb, among others who haven't posted much lately, but rather than sitting around doing nothing here's my thoughts for now.

Considering that 4 of us lynched Aditya, who himself admitted that he hasn't been active or defended himself very well, and a few others also thought he was acting scummy without putting a lynch, it leads me to believe that Abhas knows more than he should as virtually one of the only people not to find him particularly scummy.

My reasons for going after Aditya certainly have enough basis to warrant heavy suspicion, especially when it's confirmed that I was correct in my assumption that he had been discussing me at night to enter today the way he did.

If Abhas is a town PR with some kind of innocent result on Aditya and that's why he's been able to avoid getting sidetracked by his terrible play, then it's possible, but with 2, 3 or more scum still out there, simply clearing someone on the basis of one result is not a good idea.

My conclusion - Abhas is either Aditya's mafia partner, or knew Aditya was not his partner.

Lynch: Abhas

 

[barmyarmy]

Guys, I'm really sorry. Stag weekends are not conducive to mafia games. I need time to read what I've missed but have an incredibly busy week although I will try to find time to post tomorrow.
If you have someone who can replace me then please ask them to.

 

[puddleduck]

I really don't

As I said to Aditya (who did tell me he'd be busy for a couple of days) people don't need to worry so much if they're off the pace a bit. Just shove a lynch down on whoever you like the least and see what happens

As Abhas correctly said in the last Puddle Mafia, "it's just a game." If you get something wrong, or lynch off the wrong person, it's just information for next time and something to laugh about

Hope it was a good stag do

 

[Manly]

<Ghost post> Got my first stag day on Monday 17th. Buzzing.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

<Ghost post> Got my first stag day on Monday 17th. Buzzing.

i've never been on one but i'm best man for my brother's wedding in july... i guess i should start planning.

 

[thedon5]

Unlych: Treva

Lynch: Zhuorb

I don't fully believe treva's claim, partly because "we won't believe it" as he said, but I want to pressure Zhuorb - he's added nothing whatsoever all game, has been bandwagoning and has been generally inactive. Perhaps providing all his meaningful analysis to the Mafia QT?

 

[Gaurav_7]

Alright, I think with all the claims one thing is we have most if not all English players. We need to list out who are the possible mafia candidates can be. I mean the characters. Also, DV could be tested out actually easily if we are to lynch someone else.

 

[Aditya]

Is it just me or Sedition just isn't playing like he usually does? The discussion Colin and he have had so far in this game, seem more like a pre-planned discussions between two mafia team mates. If he was so suspicious of him(Colin), why not lynch him and pressure him for supporting his so called mafia mate (me), as Sedition believes.

I character claim and role claim, you don't believe. Sedition, at the starting of the day Colin said I am too desperate to lynch you but in fact now, you seem too desperate to lynch basically everyone, of course apart from your mafia buddies. I left my suspicion on you and pointed out that Manly was suspicious of Trev, you at no point have left your suspicion on me and in fact questioned me giving up on you. Which as a mafia, I'd NEVER do. Seriously, what kind of a town gameplay is this? Am I the only one seeing these possibilities? User, what are you views on Sedition? At all impressed by his play?

 

[Abhas]

If Abhas is a town PR with some kind of innocent result on Aditya and that's why he's been able to avoid getting sidetracked by his terrible play, then it's possible, but with 2, 3 or more scum still out there, simply clearing someone on the basis of one result is not a good idea.

My conclusion - Abhas is either Aditya's mafia partner, or knew Aditya was not his partner.

Lynch: Abhas

Umm, either I'm aditya's partner or I'm not, what's there to conclude in that?

Please clear out your head and then post and argument. Your accusation has been nothing short of delusional, or it stinks of mafia trying to confuse everyone out there.

In fact, in your last post, you've done nothing but provided roles for the mafia on a platter. Hardly town play if you ask me. Further, you're not only speculating my role, you're also assuming it to be something. Why would you do that I you are town? Post your arguments and provide a reasoning that should support the same and tell me to claim if you want to know my role, which I will if I deem necessary. You've simply put me in the firing line of the mafia by putting across that I may be cop. Hardly town play.
Next, you assume me to be a cop, assume I've got a result on aditya, and at the same time assume I'm insane or something. Too many assumptions to clear yourself huh?
And the best, after assuming me to be a town PR, you place a lynch on me.

You also claim that I'm virtually the only person to believe aditya.. If I'm not wrong, he had about 4-5 votes on him, that makes it about 7-8 people who weren't ready to believe either you or him.

I'm glad you posted this post, because you're now 100% clear as a mafia in my head.

Unlynch: Treva
Lynch: Sedition

Treva's CC is plausible. His role can always be checked out, clearing him for now.

 

[Sedition]

I never assumed you were cop. Various other roles have the potential to clear or identify someone. If you tracked Aditya visiting no one for example, it still isn't a reliable result to clear someone with more than one mafia.

I don't believe you're a town PR though obviously, because you wouldn't fall into the trap of clearing someone from a result. 4 people lynched Aditya and most others agreed that he'd been acting scummy. Not all of them can be mafia and I wouldn't be surprised if just about every one of them is town.

Between the two of us, you found me the most suspicious, even before Aditya had even claimed. For whatever reason you seem to be trying to buddy with him recently, and if his claim is true, from my point of view you knew he wasn't mafia all along, because you are in fact mafia and obviously know he's not your partner.

and you act as though my posting of the roles is handing over some secret information that the mafia don't already have. 2 of the 5 are dead already anyway

 

[barmyarmy]

Sedition makes a fair point which I'm not going to argue with about my mafia-radar going off so far
All I'm saying is you would understand if you knew my role.

I believe that Abhas is town and wary though I am of going after someone is has been FOSing me, I agree with him that sedition has some questions to answer at this point.
I've with-held judgement on him so far and I stand by my speculation that there could be something going on with him and Aditya (although I'm no longer sure about Adi: see below!)

Other people. I believe Treva because DV is a stupid claim for a mafia because it can be so easily checked out. Aditya as mason? I can't remember who brought up mason from the write-up but I was speculating some kind of seeker role at the time. Again don't see that being a good mafia claim is there actually was a mason?
I would like to know more about Manly's hunch and dossier though? Surely as you would have QT access with him you must at least know who the dossier was about even if you don't what he was going to say. I find it strange that Manly's mason partner would keep quiet about that.

Regarding Smurf, I guess there's a chance he's mafia rather than town RB. I don't reckon character claims are going to be much help as PD wanted this to be about gameplay and not lynching off the weakest character claims. On that basis I reckon he either made non-mafia type players mafia (like Trott) or gave the mafia fake claims.

I'd like to hear more from Zhuorb as well. I'll try to read the last few pages again later and see if I pick up anything I missed with my quick read this morning.

 

[Sedition]

I guess you missed the part where Aditya/Manly and Abhas all think we're working together. Apparently Abhas mentioned it even earlier, but didn't produce the post I asked for.

What questions am I still yet to answer? Pretty sure I've been the most active here from day 1 and attempted to answer everything, even if it meant repeating the same things over and over for "clarification".

I also disputed a number of Abhas' fabrications about me only going after people who've targeted me, whatever he was talking about with insane cop when I said "some kind of innocent result", and I stated earlier that we probably don't even have a cop if we have masons anyway. My listing of the roleclaims is somehow scummy, when I'm sure when the town finally tweaking reads the last few days, they'll appreciate seeing the roles and player list since they probably haven't been keeping track.

Anyway, I'm sick of wasting time going over the same things when half the game hasn't checked in for a few days. I still stand by a mass character claim, considering KP was individually aligned and Swann/Anderson may well be masons, it appears that some relevant info can be gained.

 

[thedon5]

Mafia must be loving this. Looks like we're heading for a no lynch yet again...

 

[treva]

This is pretty dire at the moment. It is only logical to say at least one of the people gunning for each other (Aditya, Abhas, Sedition) are mafia.

I'm interested in Sedition's call for a mass character claim. Been trying to find an old game where such a thing happened to see what it effects it had on the game and who it favoured. Not had any luck finding the game I'm thinking of though.

I still suggest Zhuorb and RPHKR need to be pressured. I don't believe both of them are town, they've both just followed suit with lunches and 'opinions'.

I'd like to see them both claim and see what comes up. We are heading for another wasted day and the mafia know this.