Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[thedon5]

I see we're back to the "if you were town you'd be dead" argument. I've won games as town in the past (by surviving to the end and finding the mafia) so clearly that's not true. I intend on doing the same here too.

I've played one game before, and in that game you were one of the best. Your play impressed me more than BKB's, even though you died earlier. I repeat, if I were Mafia, you would've died on night 1. If not night 1, night 2.

 

[barmyarmy]

If the doctor reveals who they protected the previous night, that person becomes the most likely target the following night.
I got annoyed in the last game when Aditya as doctor revealed that he had protected me and guess what? I was killed the next night.

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I've played one game before, and in that game you were one of the best. Your play impressed me more than BKB's, even though you died earlier. I repeat, if I were Mafia, you would've died on night 1. If not night 1, night 2.

And if I was mafia Aditya would have died on night 1.

 

[thedon5]

It's irrelevant to him being killed. He was killed because he couldn't be protected. This is very basic stuff and I wonder if you're pretending not to see that to clear yourself.

As I said, you are examining one angle only, that is scummy gameplay. I must've said this phrase about a hundred times by now. Treva was on to something, so you killed him. You planned to use the protection on the previous night thing you keep mentioning as a cloak in case it was brought up.

Of course, there is absolutely no point in blocking anyone else as I am the only night action player left I think. So, you blocked me and killed treva as he was the best candidate of the confirmed townies.

It's even more important, as with most players' posts, a common theme was "I have no idea what to do", and "Why so hard PD?". Treva was the one guy with a straight shooting focus at the start to lynch one (or two) of the investigative roles, so you lynched him. It worked, as clearly no-one else here had a real clue except me. So, you made up this result to eliminate the one other guy who was on to something, the one guy who put in a lynch on you.

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If the doctor reveals who they protected the previous night, that person becomes the most likely target the following night.
I got annoyed in the last game when Aditya as doctor revealed that he had protected me and guess what? I was killed the next night.

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And if I was mafia Aditya would have died on night 1.

No he wouldn't have, you are not backing it with any reasoning. I explained why I would've killed you. So why are you still here? Since I'm not Mafia!

Even last game, Aditya didn't mention that in his role PM it said that he couldn't use his role two days in a row, we can assume it's the same here.

Either way, I'm not going to believe a word RPHKR says since he is Mafia as well.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

If I was mafia I would have killed the person who has been most suspicious of my play throughout the game, Aditya (also the person who got me killed last game!). Treva was the obvious target last night because they knew the doc (probably) couldn't protect him two nights running.

in response to me saying who i would have lynched last night. Isn't exactly the same as him dieing on night one now is it colin?

lynch barmyarmy

 

[barmyarmy]

Seeing as Treva had just finished lynching the town tracker, something I tried to stop him doing, you might want to revise that.
There are two town power roles in play and no role blocker as you well know.

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in response to me saying who i would have lynched last night. Isn't exactly the same as him dieing on night one now is it colin?

I would have had twice the motive. He caused me to die last game and he's kept accusing me of being mafia with first sedition then User.
I would very much liked to have killed User in this game but sadly we were both town.

 

[thedon5]

Seeing as Treva had just finished lynching the town tracker, something I tried to stop him doing, you might want to revise that.
There are two town power roles in play and no role blocker as you well know.

No we don't well know. We all went through the scenario that Smurf wasn't actually the role blocker, it is exactly what happened. The role blocker was still out there as we all know. Again, you are exploring one angle, scummy play yet again. You have to examine it from several angles. You are trying to state a possibility as a fact in order to justify your point, again and again.

 

[barmyarmy]

I've described the game setup to you which happens to tie in with info from claimed roles (and confirmed claims). You're unable to do that for your scenario.

The tracker saw me around Abhas on a night where he was neither blocked or killed. Smurf claimed to be blocking you on a night when it was proved that he wasn't. How convenient.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I'm still 100% certain thedon is mafia. Especially after his claim.

if colin's theory that smurf was mafia roleblocker and me and the don are the other two mafia is correct, why would smurf say this when he was about the be lynched?

I just can't buy that he was mafia no matter how much colin tries to spin that as being the likely option. His character seems town and by the end i thought he was town. from how he played too.

It makes sense for colin to doubt this and highlught character claims as spurious to fit his theory.

But it doesn't add up really.

 

[thedon5]

I've described the game setup to you which happens to tie in with info from claimed roles (and confirmed claims). You're unable to do that for your scenario.

The tracker saw me around Abhas on a night where he was neither blocked or killed. Smurf claimed to be blocking you on a night when it was proved that he wasn't. How convenient.

You are the roleblocker, you blocked Abhas on that night. We have no confirmation of whether or not Abhas was blocked, other than RPHKR saying he was blocked. RPHKR is the Godfather, and also making up stories so that that loose end is tied up. It's very easy for you to plan it. Also, User mentioned whom he tracked BEFORE both you and RPHKR claimed, so you were able to make up the story and make it believable.

Smurf made up stories and was quite possibly a goon himself. Three Mafia makes more sense than two. He is the third. Actually, Smurf could have been the Godfather and RPHKR may be the goon. Either sounds right.

The fact that you are Mafia will be further confirmed when RPHKR comes online and starts madly defending you, he'll also put in a lynch on me.

 

[barmyarmy]

You two had better get your stories straight on whether you think Smurf was mafia or not...

 

[thedon5]

if colin's theory that smurf was mafia roleblocker and me and the don are the other two mafia is correct, why would smurf say this when he was about the be lynched?

I just can't buy that he was mafia no matter how much colin tries to spin that as being the likely option. His character seems town and by the end i thought he was town. from how he played too.

It makes sense for colin to doubt this and highlught character claims as spurious to fit his theory.

But it doesn't add up really.

In all honesty I have no idea what to believe regarding Smurf. I am still being blocked, so clearly he was town roleblocker and Colin is Mafia roleblocker, or Smurf was Mafia and was simply a goon or the Godfather. There is absolutely no way of being certain about his role.

Anyway, I'm going to call it a night, it's 5 am here. I should be back on in maybe 8-9 hours, so please, I ask that if you want to lynch me off, you do it after I come back as I want a chance to defend myself from the attack that'll be put on me while I'm asleep.

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You two had better get your stories straight on whether you think Smurf was mafia or not...

I have no idea. We don't have a common story, we are not Mafia buddies who can discuss this on a Mafia QT.

There is no way of making sure about what he was. Either way, he can be either town or Mafia, it doesn't change the fact that you and RPHKR are Mafia.

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Oh and if people see it fit, I'm more than happy to lynch RPHKR and not Colin, as RPHKR looks to have the killing role, not Colin.

 

[barmyarmy]

Anyway, I'm going to call it a night, it's 5 am here. I should be back on in maybe 8-9 hours, so please, I ask that if you want to lynch me off, you do it after I come back as I want a chance to defend myself from the attack that'll be put on me while I'm asleep.

I've got no issue with that.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

You two had better get your stories straight on whether you think Smurf was mafia or not...

lol

i've repeatedly said that i don't think he was, but that it's not definitely the case.

I could easily make the same arguments you have about smurf against user.

He was mafia tracker, stuart broad has had run ins with match referees and fines, so he could be mafia. As well as this it was his pal's fake twitter that tore the england side apart. Seeing that english cricket is the town logically this is a possibility.

He was mafia tracker and cleared you the mafia godfather.

But i won't because even though it makes sense as a possibility it's not really likely and it would make much sense that he was town. Just as it would for trott to be town.

It seems you have picked smurf as being mafia to fit a theory to get others alive lynched, because he got lynched people didn't believe what he said at the time and there is no-one to disprove your theory now that he is dead. You are effectively free to turn the ambiguity around the death to fit whatever theory you want it to.

but it falls down because it just doesn't seem likely that he was mafia, no matter how perfect it'd be for you if he was that piece doesn't fit strongly enough.

 

[barmyarmy]

I've never seen a mafia tracker before in any game.

 

[RPHKR]

It's hard for me to choose between thedon and barmyarmy. Not placing the lynch on thedon now as he can't defend him. User's death clears Colin. I'm waiting for Zhu and Adi's words on Colin.
I protected thedon yesterday as he looked 'sane' with his results on Abhas and Sedition. Lynching ste's the safest bet now.

Lynch: Ste

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I'm not sure believing one of thedon and Colin.