Review Review for IC 2010 in comparison to AC09

[saferider4969]

"hi bubbly jubbly, i m from India.Is it worth buying international cricket 2010 when i have ashes 2009 as the discs are pretty costly here."

Dude Rs.2.000 is not costly at all for a good cricket game, you spend more than Rs.1,000 for a casual dinner.
Moreover the game is worth it as it is the most authentic cricket game at the moment.

 

[pcfan123]

How convenient, another new member who's 1st post is agreeing with Bubbly :laugh

"hi bubbly jubbly, i m from India.Is it worth buying international cricket 2010 when i have ashes 2009 as the discs are pretty costly here."

 

[saferider4969]

How convenient, another new member who's 1st post is agreeing with Bubbly :laugh

hahaha, man they can spend more than Rs.1,000 just for a casual dinner and Rs.3,000 for a dinner with drinks but they cannot spend Rs.2,000 to buy a good cricket game and reward the publisher and developer.
This is the only reason why India is full of pirates, Only 5-10% people buy legit copies of games and the rest pirate.

 

[sohum]

I don't know where you're getting the Rs. 2000/Rs. 3000 figures but that is certainly not an average. That amounts to $40-$60 dinner which is expensive even by American standards unless you're going to a really nice restaurant, which you wouldn't be doing regularly unless you were rich. You can't possibly argue that the majority of Indians are that rich.

That said, console gaming isn't really targeted towards them. Considering that just purchasing a PS3 costs upwards of $300, that would make it too expensive for most incomes. This is a reason that the whole "billion cricket mad people" argument doesn't work--the actual number of people who can afford to buy the consoles and the games is far smaller.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

hahaha, man they can spend more than Rs.1,000 just for a casual dinner and Rs.3,000 for a dinner with drinks but they cannot spend Rs.2,000 to buy a good cricket game and reward the publisher and developer.
This is the only reason why India is full of pirates, Only 5-10% people buy legit copies of games and the rest pirate.

And it's everyone else that gets punished - legitimate buying Indian customers included.

 

[saferider4969]

I don't know where you're getting the Rs. 2000/Rs. 3000 figures but that is certainly not an average. That amounts to $40-$60 dinner which is expensive even by American standards unless you're going to a really nice restaurant, which you wouldn't be doing regularly unless you were rich. You can't possibly argue that the majority of Indians are that rich.

That said, console gaming isn't really targeted towards them. Considering that just purchasing a PS3 costs upwards of $300, that would make it too expensive for most incomes. This is a reason that the whole "billion cricket mad people" argument doesn't work--the actual number of people who can afford to buy the consoles and the games is far smaller.

You are partially right but in Delhi you cannot have good casual dinner without spending Rs.1,000(I am talking about dinner for 2 people). My bad I did not state that I was talking about dinner for 2 people.

 

[SciD]

If a kid can spend 1K on meal then he will not find it difficult to buy the game costing 1950 bucks. Its actually cheap compared to other console games.

 

[saferider4969]

And it's everyone else that gets punished - legitimate buying Indian customers included.

Seriously, and when someone who pirates games sees our legit copies they tend to discourage us from buying legit copies by saying that "you waste so much money on games when you can get one for Rs.100".
They will never get to know how proud we feel by purchasing legit copies, the feeling comes from inside.

 

[pcfan123]

Seriously, and when someone who pirates games sees our legit copies they tend to discourage us from buying legit copies by saying that "you waste so much money on games when you can get one for Rs.100".
They will never get to know how proud we feel by purchasing legit copies, the feeling comes from inside.

Wow

You should slap them in the face and say "I am not wasting anything, I am not stealing!"

 

[MattW]

The problem for those agreeing with the first post on the basis of thinking IC2010 is a minimal patch, is that the first post's contention is much more than that, arguing IC2010 takes steps backwards in many areas.

Sure, lots of people won't see the value in the action cam, and there isn't all that much new here, but the question that has to be asked is whether the core has at the very least moved forward somewhat.

The graphical stuttering and jittering mentioned and claims of being much less responsive control wise are rather important. I didn't notice this in my time with the game at Trickstar (my own responsiveness is too slow to notice the game lacking responsiveness), but if people have both Ashes and IC, chuck Ashes back in and look at these things.

So ignore the stuff in the first post that comes down to preference, the new camera wasn't going to please everyone, that's why the old one is still there, look at the claims that you can look at objectively and this discussion might be a little bit useful.

 

[saferider4969]

Wow

You should slap them in the face and say "I am not wasting anything, I am not stealing!"

Its up to them atleast we don't feel guilty when we play games. We are proud owners, they are thieves.

 

[79cricket]

buy the game and tell ur friend to, if they buy it and the game sells well then cricket games will improve more like a fast cat than a slow snail. I have one coming, i payed full price. I also will tell my friend to buy it. If the aus one is better i will buy that to or DLC.:banana2

 

[kenpat]

The problem for those agreeing with the first post on the basis of thinking IC2010 is a minimal patch, is that the first post's contention is much more than that, arguing IC2010 takes steps backwards in many areas.

Sure, lots of people won't see the value in the action cam, and there isn't all that much new here, but the question that has to be asked is whether the core has at the very least moved forward somewhat.

The graphical stuttering and jittering mentioned and claims of being much less responsive control wise are rather important. I didn't notice this in my time with the game at Trickstar (my own responsiveness is too slow to notice the game lacking responsiveness), but if people have both Ashes and IC, chuck Ashes back in and look at these things.

So ignore the stuff in the first post that comes down to preference, the new camera wasn't going to please everyone, that's why the old one is still there, look at the claims that you can look at objectively and this discussion might be a little bit useful.

What a pity this wasn't the second post in this thread as it might have saved some nastyness in what's normally a friendly forum.

 

[Bubblyjubbly]

I understand your frustration with cricket games lagging behind compared to American sports. However the SHOW 09 did not appear out of thin air, it followed a decade of mediocre baseball games (RBI baseball on NES and Ken Griffy on SNES were the baseball BLC99).

The reason baseball/basketball and Madden games are so advanced is because they sell millions of copies at full price. There may be more cricket fans, but they do not have the same spending power as those who watch American sports.

Its going to be a matter of time and with Codies improving on an previous codebase instead of starting from scratch, its a good sign that cricket games are moving forward themselves.

With the IPL increasing in popularity, Twenty20 taking over and the rising Indian middle class, cricket games might themselves become a much more lucrative market in the next decade, which in turn should mean more advanced games.

Its unfair to compare cricket games to todays next gen sports games, that is my point. (not sure if I made it or went on a rant)

Whether we had a decade of bad baseball games is not so much the issue, the processing technology was as much, if not more, to blame then anything else. Take games like Uncharted 1/2 - no previous codebase, but bloody fantastic and produced by a relatively small development company. Forget that, look at most of the action adventure games we have on the consoles, again no previous codebase to rely on and built from scratch - there is a basic standard one has come to expect from current generation games and cricket games should be no exception. Most of these action adventure, FPS, RPG and other games have NO fan base before release, but often manage to produce something great, cricket at least has a huge fan base and I believe it's complacency from the developers who seem to think that people will buy any cricket game however poor.

You also underestimate the sheer size and 'potential' spending power of, say, the Indian middle classes, let alone those in other parts of the world. The current codebase is inadequate and has already reached it's limits, the performance of the game, the frame rate, the glaring bugs, the glitches and methods by which the game appears totally reliant on preset routines rather than a proper physics engine, just serve to emphasise the point. The game is well behind those of the current generation, to produce further iterations in the future based on this codebase would just be insulting.

You forget that many English cricketers went to India to the IPL for one reason - MONEY. There is plenty of it out there. Even if the middle class of India constitutes only 20% of the population, that's over 200 million people straight away. Why not use programmers in India, they are cheap and there are plenty of them, is Bangalore not one of the major IT hubs of the world ?

Bubblyjubbly added 2 Minutes and 42 Seconds later...

I agree with you Mark. But its not that he is 100% wrong. So lets see if the ps3 and xbox 360 can sell 20 million consoles then sell a future game like ic2013 with a new engine with the lastest looks and gameplay. Sell the game in india for about 50 dolllars and the rest of the world for a normal price. The game will also have the icc license and ipl to hahahahha, then you wake up from a dream:laugh. This is what we all want guys but not anytime soon.ps i was watching the game on youtube and it looks great and i cant wait to get it in 2 weeks time.:banana2

The PS3 has sold around 35 million and the Xbox360 even more - there is no excuse for not making a great game even now.

 

[pcfan123]

The current codebase is inadequate and has already reached it's limits, the performance of the game, the frame rate, the glaring bugs, the glitches and methods by which the game appears totally reliant on preset routines rather than a proper physics engine, just serve to emphasise the point.

You make a lot of generalizations like this, which is fine as long as you can back them up with concrete examples.

Mark added 1 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...

The PS3 has sold around 35 million and the Xbox360 even more - there is no excuse for not making a great game even now.

What percentage of those ps3s and xboxs are in India though? Id like to know.