Review Review for IC 2010 in comparison to AC09

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So you try and insult me by calling me a child because i tell you to be a little more constructive in your criticism? Look you just have to admit that ok you have your review of the game, but when people have an opinion about your review you seem to get ultra defensive? Just chill out man, dont need to get to name calling and what not.



I wouldnt say we accept a lower standard, its just that after all the years of shoddy EA games and sub-par Brian Lara games we finally have a developer who is actually taking time to listen to the fans and actually take on board some of the stuff we say about cricket games. Its more of a Realistic Expectation. Cricket games dont have the budget of a Fifa or a Baseball but Trickstar games looks like a developer with talent that can improve over time.

Look all in all man, your review is valued but its just that because its different from 90% of the experiences with the game that it should be expected that you would get alot of negative opinions of your review.

Tell me, is English your first language ? There's a difference between an insult and an insinuation. I really don't think you are in a position to tell me to be more constructive, I haven't seen anything from you that might be regarded as constructive as yet. Is it not you being defensive by whinging so much ? At least I took the time to post my views, much to the chagrin of the masses on here.

We clearly have accepted a lower standard, Brian Lara/EA games weren't as off-the-pace as the current cricket games in relation to other games on their respective consoles. I thought the fluidity of motion in Brian Lara/EA was superior to the two games that we are currently discussing. A decent developer shouldn't need to rely on feedback after release as much as Codies do. Given how off the pace this game is, I fail to see what you mean by talent or the likelihood of improvement over time, this codebase is ancient even now.

I'm not concerned with negative reactions, but if you don't want me to get 'slightly' personal, don't dish it out in the first place.
 
Most of the 35 million are in japan or usa, god if japan and usa loved cricket then we would not be talking about this. Yes there is lots of consoles in the world but not in india ok. You go over there and get the average india to buy a console in mass numbers then the future is going to be great. Also i agree with people saying you want to much to soon. I will have the game next week and can put my thoughts on the game then but from the vips i have seen and want most people have said i am very happy so far with the game. Last thing, fifa was ████ 5 or 6 years ago and look at it now, im not a soccer fan but the game looks great. But remember fifa will sell in japan well and the usa ok.:yes

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True fifa and other sport games have gone way ahead, ur right mate. There you have, you make a lot of sense. But one thing you most remember, fifa gets games every year. Cricket does not, they have been lazy in the last 10 years. I agree with you but trickstar and transmission have improvement fast in a year. Ashes 2009 was a good game with lots of problems, ic2010 is want ashes should have been in the first place. A step forward for cricket games, if its a small step or a big one thats up to us all to write on this forum. But at the moment i would say in the middle somewhere. I look forward to trickstar cricket games in the future and hope they make ic2011 or 2012 the game we all want.:yes peace.
 
You make a lot of generalizations like this, which is fine as long as you can back them up with concrete examples.

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What percentage of those ps3s and xboxs are in India though? Id like to know.

I have backed them up with concrete examples. Go bat against 'M. Asof' in IC 2010 and, if you are vigilant, you will see what I mean - batting against him is totally random. I have not only hit him for 43 in one over, I have also hit him for less than 10 too. His pace changes from ball to ball without the speedo changing much - you can play two identical balls the same way, one will go for six and the other will smack you in the face. The sweet spot for him varies from that of a medium pacer to an express pacer. Not only that, but the pace the ball comes at you changes while it is going through the air - look very closely, it's all part of the cheating AI and the fact that the game is so heavily laced in preset animations that if your shot slots between two of them, you see a momentary freeze or frame skip whilst the game decides what the result of the shot should be. It is not a physics based engine and, therefore, will always produce this stuttering or resetting effect.

The percentage of PS3s/Xbox 360s in India is not the issue, that's just India too - the number of Asian expats abroad is huge, then there are those who belong to other test-playing nations. I could bet you that people in India would pool together to get a PS3/Xbox360 if they knew a great cricket game was coming out which they could play online.

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i agree with most of this review. i can't beleive how positive the bulk of the reviews I have read were after spending a few hours playing the game on the weekend. It has hardly changed at all. I can't honestly beleive that this is getting 8/10s and 84% marks when compared to some games from other genres that get this sort of score. I think in the main it has been reviewed by either non cricket fans who dont understand the sport and give it a decent mark to offset their lack of understanding OR rabid cricket fans who would play any digital representation of their favourite sport to make up for the fact that they may not be quite so good out on the park!!
I will always buy a cricket game to support their development and despite the flaws there is of course plenty of hours to be wasted with IC2010, but lets not kid ourselves by saying this is actually much good.....

At last, an honest reply.
 
Interesting to note that you only view an opinion that agrees with yours, as honest and correct.
 
Most of the 35 million are in japan or usa, god if japan and usa loved cricket then we would not be talking about this. Yes there is lots of consoles in the world but not in india ok. You go over there and get the average india to buy a console in mass numbers then the future is going to be great. Also i agree with people saying you want to much to soon. I will have the game next week and can put my thoughts on the game then but from the vips i have seen and want most people have said i am very happy so far with the game. Last thing, fifa was ████ 5 or 6 years ago and look at it now, im not a soccer fan but the game looks great. But remember fifa will sell in japan well and the usa ok.:yes

79cricket added 11 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

True fifa and other sport games have gone way ahead, ur right mate. There you have, you make a lot of sense. But one thing you most remember, fifa gets games every year. Cricket does not, they have been lazy in the last 10 years. I agree with you but trickstar and transmission have improvement fast in a year. Ashes 2009 was a good game with lots of problems, ic2010 is want ashes should have been in the first place. A step forward for cricket games, if its a small step or a big one thats up to us all to write on this forum. But at the moment i would say in the middle somewhere. I look forward to trickstar cricket games in the future and hope they make ic2011 or 2012 the game we all want.:yes peace.

Again, the processor is the key issue and that is the reason for the improvement in games in recent years. There are plenty of expats of South Asian origin in the USA and yes, they do love cricket and would have the consoles mentioned. The number of consoles bought in India is a problem which Sony/Microsoft will have to do something about - as I understand it they are barely marketing their consoles there. I hate football, but I buy FIFA because it's a damn good game, cricket would be the same. I do not believe there has been a significant improvement (the opposite in certain respects) in the last year and that is down to the obviously ancient game engine. Developers have indeed been lazy wrt cricket, but that's no reason to lower our expectations, the earlier FIFAs on the current generation consoles were still a damn sight better than Codies cricketing current efforts. Let's not pretend that Codies don't have money or expertise, go play GRID and tell me it isn't amazingly photorealistic and damn fine for a game that eas more or less built from scratch.

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Interesting to note that you only view an opinion that agrees with yours, as honest and correct.

What exactly were you expecting me to do, disagree with him/her ?

Bubblyjubbly added 1 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

Beat me to it but absolutely seconded!

You mean you are just being one of the sheep because it makes you feel better about yourself to have a dig at me.
 
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You mean you are just being one of the sheep because it makes you feel better about yourself to have a dig at me.


Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!:p


Well you imply that the comments by many that they are having a great time with the game, whilst also mentioning it's drawbacks I might note, are somehow being dishonest. And if you think I lead my life by looking for ways at having digs at people then I am afraid that says more about your outlook on life than me as you don't know me at all.
 
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Me to. He just will not listen, you have a friend that does not like it much to. If ur right about the gameplay well i still loved ashes and will love ic2010. Call me stupid if you want but thats how it is. Also i would love to see a cricket game with the stuff in gta4 or force unleashed. maybe oneday guys.:spy
 
Time to release your PSN mate, there is no good reason to withhold it unless you are an established quitter or a 2nd account on PC.
 
What exactly were you expecting me to do, disagree with him/her ?

No, it would just be nice for you to see the other side of the argument instead of just flaming the people who come to post against you. Your so called 'best education from the top university in the world' should at one point in time have taught you to view both sides of an argument.

Another interesting thing to note is that because Dutchy agreed with me he is a sheep, but wendalboy who agrees with you is not. Double Standards?
 
Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!:p


Well you imply that the comments by many that they are having a great time with the game, whilst also mentioning it's drawbacks I might note, are somehow being dishonest. And if you think I lead my life by looking for ways at having digs at people then I am afraid that says more about your outlook on life than me as you don't know me at all.

As I have said many times before, it's the low expectations people on here have for cricket games that is the issue. There are, however, a number of people who are rather more concerned with the commercial success of the game, probably on account of links to Codies/Trickies - I'd regard their glowing tributes to the game as totally disingenuous.
 
Whether we had a decade of bad baseball games is not so much the issue, the processing technology was as much, if not more, to blame then anything else. Take games like Uncharted 1/2 - no previous codebase, but bloody fantastic and produced by a relatively small development company. Forget that, look at most of the action adventure games we have on the consoles, again no previous codebase to rely on and built from scratch - there is a basic standard one has come to expect from current generation games and cricket games should be no exception. Most of these action adventure, FPS, RPG and other games have NO fan base before release, but often manage to produce something great, cricket at least has a huge fan base and I believe it's complacency from the developers who seem to think that people will buy any cricket game however poor.

You also underestimate the sheer size and 'potential' spending power of, say, the Indian middle classes, let alone those in other parts of the world. The current codebase is inadequate and has already reached it's limits, the performance of the game, the frame rate, the glaring bugs, the glitches and methods by which the game appears totally reliant on preset routines rather than a proper physics engine, just serve to emphasise the point. The game is well behind those of the current generation, to produce further iterations in the future based on this codebase would just be insulting.

You forget that many English cricketers went to India to the IPL for one reason - MONEY. There is plenty of it out there. Even if the middle class of India constitutes only 20% of the population, that's over 200 million people straight away. Why not use programmers in India, they are cheap and there are plenty of them, is Bangalore not one of the major IT hubs of the world ?

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The PS3 has sold around 35 million and the Xbox360 even more - there is no excuse for not making a great game even now.

Yeah there are good programmers in India but most of them are grabbed by MNC's to work abroad. They accept their offer coz of big paycheck, way more than indian counterparts. Just see the credits of any big game next time and you would find atleast half a dozen indians.
 
grid or fi2010 will sell in usa. God you do make sense but apart from nz,eng,aus. Most of the cricket loves are living in poor countries. If the ipl hits big for a long time and grows in the usa or other places then cricket will be up to fifa. At the moment this will not happen. The others members will laugh at you but im 50% with you and 50% with them. But in the end i loved ashes 2009 and played it more than any ps3 or xbox game i have. I cant wait to get ic2010 in my hands, go trickstar show this guy the future is in good hands.:banana2
 
Me to. He just will not listen, you have a friend that does not like it much to. If ur right about the gameplay well i still loved ashes and will love ic2010. Call me stupid if you want but thats how it is. Also i would love to see a cricket game with the stuff in gta4 or force unleashed. maybe oneday guys.:spy

It's amazing that I give you a reply, you can't handle it so you throw your toys out of the pram. If you want any respect, stick to the topic and not the personality.
 
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