Should M Aamer be shown leniency?

Should Mohammed Amir be shown some leniency if found guilty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 32.1%
  • No

    Votes: 38 67.9%

  • Total voters
    56
No, for me it's like murder, it's murder whether you are 13 or 30 and if premeditated then the punishment should be the same. Naivety of youth is not an excuse, you're old enough to commit the crime you're old enough to do the time.

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but anyway, I think even a cursory glance at various murder cases will show that the sentences differ massively on a case to case basis. no one gets a flat standard sentence.
 
he fact butt was in his ear before the ball was bowled is a bit telling. It's almost like, remember you agreed to this.
And as CG123 pointed out, Butt watches Aamers foot as it lands while other players are watching the bat. These little things prove to me that the big story is true. No doubt it's true.
 
If found that Butt and Asif had an influence on him.
6 month ban at the most, c'mon, the kid's 18.
The people from his village said that he would NEVER cheat. Veena Malik also said that Asif had an influence on Amir.
 
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but anyway, I think even a cursory glance at various murder cases will show that the sentences differ massively on a case to case basis. no one gets a flat standard sentence.

I didn't say they do, I said they SHOULD get the same..................

Murder is very much a difficult one as it can depend on the circumstances, emotional factors etc. If you blew someone away because you met them and didn't like them it won't get viewed as leniently as if it was your partner of 20 years who had beaten you regularly, ***** you etc etc...................

This is much simpler, you take 'easy money', whether you are rich or poor etc shouldn't come into it - again note the word is "shouldn't" not "won't"

Owzat added 2 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...

If found that Butt and Asif had an influence on him.
6 month ban at the most, c'mon, the kid's 18.
The people from his village said that he would NEVER cheat. Veena Malik also said that Asif had an influence on Amir.

Age is not an excuse :noway He was old enough to take the money and went through with it, five year ban or perhaps the most apt punishment would be a ban equal to how long it would take him to earn his sin money................................

And so what if the idiots from his village said something, how has that any bearing on the price of ignorance?
 
I support the notion that age should not make a difference.

Even if he is a nice kid, and came under bad influence, he made the decision that landed him in the mess. For that he has to pay.

But I have a soft corner for Aamer simply because he's a wonderful bowler and I would miss him terribly if he got banned for life. So if the allegations get proven and Butt, Asif, Kamran, etc. get life bans, sit Aamer home for 5 years and that should be enough for him to learn his lessons if he's the nice kid people seem to claim he is.
 
There should have been a poll added for this thread. It would be nice if it could be done now.

Pakistan fans would say will say yes
Cricket fans will say no


AND ALSO... I am 18, I am not 'naive' enough to think cheating is right.

C'mon guys they have all ***ed up and there is NO justification for it.
 
Pakistan fans would say will say yes
Cricket fans will say no


AND ALSO... I am 18, I am not 'naive' enough to think cheating is right.

C'mon guys they have all ***ed up and there is NO justification for it.

Thats not necessarily the case. I am a huge Pakistani fan but I was the first one to vote no. On the other hand a lot of people who are aware of Aamir's background have shown leniency towards him. Case in point, Geoff Lawson, Nasser Hussain, Rick Parry etc.

"I think one of the great sadnesses of all of this, and it's a widely held view, is that a great young talent like Amir has been implicated in this one," said Parry. "I think that's what perhaps separates this from many other cases, because it suggests that the bad guys got to him before the good guys did.
 
Ideally, punishments shouldn't exist just to please the bloodthirsty mobs, although sport does always run that risk. Still, there ought to be a purpose beyond that. Obviously, a life ban offers nothing in the way of reform. No punishment effectively prevents future contrivance, as it is not a case of the players dealing with each other; there is a third party. The greatest value is as a deterrent. If that's the sole purpose, one must question how much of a deterrent effect is possible.

However, I can't see how leniency could take place, once a player is formally charged by the ACSU. Either a player is found guilty or not guilty, there does not appear to be a plea bargaining option. Anyone found guilty of corruption by the Anti-Corruption Tribunal will be banned for at least five years; I guess that is lenient compared to a life ban, but we're yet to see a life ban that actually lasts more than 10 years. Anyone else feel that the term has lost all meaning?

As much as it seems like the main issue, dealing with the players is really very little of it, the tip of the iceberg, if you will. Whoever is found guilty, the real question remains: what causes corruption and what can be done to stop those causes? Are people like Amir the cause? Hardly. Gambling on cricket is as old as cricket itself, so it goes without saying that the people with the money are the cause. If you ban the current Pakistan team, even exclude all of Pakistan, it won't stop it and it would probably be to the greater detriment of cricket. In the nineties, was it just the Pakistanis or were a couple other nations involved? It is guaranteed that there will be more people vulnerable to faceless men with endless pockets (and spare jackets).
 
It is guaranteed that there will be more people vulnerable to faceless men with endless pockets (and spare jackets).

I think realistically it will be easier to curb match/spot fixing by controlling 11 players in a team rather than try to bust the match fixers. There is no governing body for match fixers, but there is one for players which can have strict policies. Granted not everyone follows policies, but that is why we have punishments. Setting an example will help rid potential future miscreants.
 
Pakistan fans would say will say yes
Cricket fans will say no


AND ALSO... I am 18, I am not 'naive' enough to think cheating is right.

C'mon guys they have all ***ed up and there is NO justification for it.

dude, while I'm not going the shane watson route of saying "it's their culture" there is a bit of a difference between you, and someone the same age who is under international media scrutiny, seperated from all his friends and family, under the influence of crooked seniors who have huge reputations and comes from a country so dangerous that he has missed practices due to taliban activity and sporting opponents were shot at.
 
This makes my heart bleed.....

My brother in law became quite close to several of the players on that tour and I remember him telling me how Amir loved to have his picture taken and also how he liked to take pictures with my brother in law's camera of his team mates and tease them about the pictures. Amir would look at the pictures again and again, as if almost mesmerised by the art of photography and the quality of the pictures.

When the news about the alleged spot-fixing broke, my heart sank, my knees buckled, my head was spinning, but above all so many questions remain unanswered and may remain unanswered for years to come. The allegations are currently just allegations but the thought that springs to mind is - Amir what have you done !!!!

source: From Shining Star to Fallen Angel - PakPassion.net - The Home of Pakistan Cricket
 
I don't believe Aamer should be shown leniency due to inexperience. Amin and Riaz are also inexperienced, and both look like they have a lot of talent, so why isn't anybody jumping to their defence?

The only reason Aamer could be shown leniency is if he was forced to do it, but right now, it looks like he knew exactly what he was doing. I've been secretly hoping he bowled those big no-balls with the intention of getting caught(thus the reason they're so big, but it's most probably just due to inexperience), but with him coming out and denying the allegations, I doubt that could ever be the case.
 

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