South Africa in England July-Sept 2012

So, its not Bresnan but Swann who makes way for Finn.....but why did they elect to field after winning toss.....:rolleyes

Good question. Not sure about the decision to leave Swann out, looking like a ropey one at the moment. Maybe the plan is to bowl less overs per hour and see out a draw, not that 13.5 overs an hour is particularly slow.
 
In first test match Alviro Peterson thought that England will do a magic bowling and South Africa will all out scoring 200 or 250 so thats why Alviro got out in the 1st test match but then Smith and amla proved Alviro that our batting is the best so they showed up a triple tron by Amla and a century by Kallis and Smith so to brig in Alviro's consideration but today Alviro also proved them that he can also make a century .

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Good question. Not sure about the decision to leave Swann out, looking like a ropey one at the moment. Maybe the plan is to bowl less overs per hour and see out a draw, not that 13.5 overs an hour is particularly slow.

No from me , because slow over rate can end up Strauss ( captain ) as banned . Its a silly decision to field but the pitch is good for bowling and South Africa batsmen are performing very well in this series and bowler too but I think its still a silly decision altough they could bat first and defend as much as they can if they wanted to draw , I think its a differnet plan .
 
interesting article in the guardian about how elitist sport still is, mostly in regard to the olympics but also noting that all of englands top seven batsmen (and one of the bowlers, not sure who) were privately educated.

It featured a section on ed smith who said that of him and his sister, his sister was the far more talented young athlete, yet when they went to secondary school he went private and his went public (his father taught at the private school so I'm presuming it was an all boys school meaning his sister couldn't go) and he was given access to incredible facilities and opportunities while his sister never played organised sport at all.

leaves a bad taste in the mouth to be frank.
 
Just able to check on my phone. Absolutely flabbergasted. Strauss needs to step down.
 
still waiting to see why everyone is always pining for bresnan to be dropped and finn brought in.

edit: and bresnan has just taken a wicket, albeit an incedibly lucky one
 
interesting article in the guardian about how elitist sport still is, mostly in regard to the olympics but also noting that all of englands top seven batsmen (and one of the bowlers, not sure who) were privately educated.

It featured a section on ed smith who said that of him and his sister, his sister was the far more talented young athlete, yet when they went to secondary school he went private and his went public (his father taught at the private school so I'm presuming it was an all boys school meaning his sister couldn't go) and he was given access to incredible facilities and opportunities while his sister never played organised sport at all.

leaves a bad taste in the mouth to be frank.

That's not to take anything away from the privately educated though, as success is great however it comes. It says more about the state of sport in comprehensive schools than it does about the education system as a whole. There are schools that have world class facilities for cricket, so much so that counties use their grounds as outgrounds, and play in fantastically competitive leagues. When I was in the school cricket team we barely made a total of 50 in any innings all season and lost every game, and there was no real league structure. Sadly it seems Gove is trying to squeeze the PE side of things even more.
 
What's up with Broad's pace? It was mentioned on commentary and I don't think he's touched 85 mph is this series. Is he still carrying his injury from Sri Lanka?
 
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Idk why, but whenever SA lose a wicket you just get the feeling that they are going to kerpluck it up some how, guess it has to do with all the collapses.

Going well now though, 201/3.
 
Good to see England still fighting hard, but depressing that putting down easy chances has cost them big.

Having a captain who opens and isn't backing himself to go out and score runs on a first day pitch regardless of conditions doesn't bode well. Not playing Swann is a very strange decision, it's not like the seamers ripped through the Saffers in the last test :rolleyes
 
Ignoring the test match for a moment and i found it interesting that England were able to bowl 87 overs on a rain hit day, with an all seam attack.

Regularly i hear cricket fans and pundits saying that playing an all pace attack could cause very slow over-rates. But today was a good example of how why that really is not the case with modern teams who wish to use this tactic.

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interesting article in the guardian about how elitist sport still is, mostly in regard to the olympics but also noting that all of englands top seven batsmen (and one of the bowlers, not sure who) were privately educated.

It featured a section on ed smith who said that of him and his sister, his sister was the far more talented young athlete, yet when they went to secondary school he went private and his went public (his father taught at the private school so I'm presuming it was an all boys school meaning his sister couldn't go) and he was given access to incredible facilities and opportunities while his sister never played organised sport at all.

leaves a bad taste in the mouth to be frank.

Ye sadly and this is why black myself in England don't take up cricket seriously or at all. Its all about football.
 
still waiting to see why everyone is always pining for bresnan to be dropped and finn brought in.

edit: and bresnan has just taken a wicket, albeit an incedibly lucky one

Not "pining", just Finn offers different. In this match that something different has replaced something very different (Swann)

The match seems nicely poised, England getting out of jail later in the day. I don't know why the media seem so fixed on the number of wickets as the main/only indicator of who is on top, England were 267/3 and for me that is only a slight advantage to England over South Africa's similar score for 5 down.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that when England fail with the bat they change a bowler for the next Test. They had no choice but to change Bopara, but while the bowlers didn't exactly knock over the saffers, the batsmen were bowled out twice on a good batting track for below par scores. We did this in UAE as well, batsmen fail yet get more chances. The only explanation I can come up with is they won't drop Strauss or Pietersen (reputations and captain), Cook or Trott, the latter two are consistent but noone should be undroppable.

Yawn thinks the saffers are well on their way to victory, they still have under 300 runs on the board on what looks a decent pitch, but I think he is as much to blame as Strauss, and their predecessors for the toss decision. It was a cowardly decision, obviously having been bowled out twice relatively cheaply, and the bowlers having taken only two wickets, they didn't want to be bowled out cheaply and wanted to "prove" something with their bowlers. It's rare you should bowl first, you have to back your batsmen to put runs on the board.

Oh and TMS were waffling on about playing five bowlers, as if quantity makes up for pitches being FLAT :FP: Prior is not strong enough to bat six, and after we just got beat by an innings I think talk of weakening the batting is laughable. One of them said he knew what the reply would be, in a day's bowling one bowler would not bowl many overs and that reply would be sensible and logical. Play four seamers if the pitch is right, play a spinner when you will need one. I find it funny that we're about as successful as we've been in 20-30 years and the "experts" think that changing the four bowler formula that has worked so well is a genial idea.

Gooch had the right philosophy, get runs on the board and then see about winning the game, don't try to win it by playing five bowlers at the expense of batting strength. The reason it didn't work back then is a lack of quality players, even when Caddick, Gough and Cork arrived on the scene in 1993, 1994 and 1995 respectively they didn't play together all that often. Batting wasn't all that strong either, maybe if they'd stuck with Atherton, Thorpe, Hick, Stewart, Cork, Gough and Caddick as the core of the team then they'd have had more success, maybe play Stewart as opener and Russell as keeper.
 
England could have done with having a better session really, 74/1 in the session which is to the saffers' advantage. If they get past 400-450 they'll fancy winning the series here, they've included Tahir and while I know we sadly lack a Kallis, we should really have stuck by Swann.

I do wish they'd stop using Trott, while he and Bopara may cause occaisional threat for me it just gives the batsmen runs with little threat to their wicket.

But still, this may be the "wake up call" some of our fans and media seem to need, while we've enjoyed some good series wins I think we're far from as good as some seem to think. It's not so much a contest at the moment as South Africa showing us how to bat and bowl.
 

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