Test Cricket tweak

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 23 2003, 06:14 AM
So I see both you guys have registered your first win with these configs?
I'm lagging behind....I'm going to have another go at Pakistan later ...(maybe wait for the new configs...).

Well Amber has won once as well. You might want to start your game probably choose to bat meanwhile I can test the changed ones and send it across to you. You seem to get under pressure while chasing, bat first dont bother the runs on the board but make sure you bat out 50 overs. Good Luck.

I have few changes lined up for the bowling setup files, the edges are more dominant now and the bowled, LBWs far less. I have been testing these files at present playing a World Cup as New Zealand. I registered my second win by thrashing Scotland (thanks its less Rahul Dravid in the international team) by 7 wickets. Scotland scored a paltry 22 runs on a damp pitch, Shane Bond returning the figures of 7-3-8-7 wickets and Tuffy getting the other 3 wickets. The next game is currently against another minnow Bangladesh. Bond got a wicket in the first over by bowling the opener and the other opener was caught behind off Tuffey. From then on it hasnt been rosy, I am attacking with 2 slips, a gully and a short leg but Bangladesh have made 32 runs since the fall of 2 wicket. So far so good the teams are playing by their reputation and the bowlers to theirs. Once I am happy with the current files will roll these out to you guys to have a go. Probably we can give up on the ODI tweaks then once convinced they are upto mark. We can continue to play with the new ones for a week and see if we all are happy with it. What do you guys say?

 

[crick4life]

The Bangladesh did recover at times and put up a valiant effort to get to a good total but in the end was very much short of a good total. Who knows given my batting the last game against Scotland in which I struggled to 26/3, Bangladesh might spring a surprise. It was pleasing to see the catches to the Wicket Keeper, they happen more regularly than LBWs and Bowled hopefully they will be consistent. No run outs so no easy wickets there.

 

[jonah]

Good to see more catches and less bowled/lbw, but I'm going to be a killjoy and express some reservations :unsure:
I personally wouldn't like to see too many edges going to slips etc (I agree it's nice to see the keeper get some catches), as when bowling you can just keep a slip or 2 in and take regular wickets, without much variety? Not sure what you guys think, but a nice balance of edges, bowled, lbw and caught in the outfield/covers would be great (you may be aiming toward this already Ravi; if so, forgive me : ).
Good to see the run-outs reduced too .

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 23 2003, 08:43 AM
Good to see more catches and less bowled/lbw, but I'm going to be a killjoy and express some reservations :unsure:
I personally wouldn't like to see too many edges going to slips etc (I agree it's nice to see the keeper get some catches), as when bowling you can just keep a slip or 2 in and take regular wickets, without much variety? Not sure what you guys think, but a nice balance of edges, bowled, lbw and caught in the outfield/covers would be great (you may be aiming toward this already Ravi; if so, forgive me : ).
Good to see the run-outs reduced too .

You are right on the money there Jonah, the effort is not just to induce more edges but to compliment the already available different kinds of dismissals. There will still be a batsman or two getting bowled, LBW decisions and ofcourse the edges flying to the slips or the keeper. In a ODI you will not always keep the slips in place for sure unless you are bowling on a Green/Damp surface. Look what the result was above, I could get few wickets but at the expense of lots of runs which I could have stopped by plugging the gaps. Good it was Bangladesh but for sure we will not be able to use those fields against the better teams(I just wish and hope). There certainly wont be these many edges flying off the bat of the other test playing nations. Although these will remain guesses till I try this out against the other teams (I am struggling on 84/5 against Bangladesh at present). Will let you know soon and if by any chance it turns out a bit odd, we can always fall back on the ones tested by us anyway.

 

[crick4life]

I know this was pathetic performance but guys I was testing the patch by being ultra Aggressive to see if I can score the runs in less than 10 overs. Fortunately thanks to the stupid bowling AI of Cricket 2002, I scraped through. It stopped bowling one of the bowler who simply demolished the top order with 4 wickets off 4 overs. The patch did prove a point, longer you stay and patient you are, the runs will come as in real cricket.

 

[amber22]

Well , I have won the game but lost one game also.I played England on a knockout tournament batting first on a normal pitch and scored 255/5 with Dravid on 131*.
England chased the target in 40th over and won by 5 wkt(last 2 wicket were gone when ENG required 20 runs to win)/.Trescothick scored 118* and was mom.
I will start another match when I get the latest files.

About the edges Ravi,be careful that they are not too much in every match like the match you played against Bangladesh otherwise there will be complaints that Batsman getting rarely out as Bowled and lbw.
Although the knockout match I played there was a edge to slip but on a spinners delievery at the early stage of the match

 

[crick4life]

The new files are looking all right for now, I have had 10 overs for now on a dry surface and as expected there have been no edges carrying yet. I reckon it will come to play based on the pitch type, I can send this out to you guys. Also I have tried to reduce the time the batsman will take on good batting surfaces in this update. On a green wicket, you will certainly have to defend or leave many balls to start with and once settled you can start playing shots all over the ground. Beware not in the ground unless the batsman has reached say around 70-80 or in the closing stages of the match. What do you guys reckon should I wait till the game is finished and then send it to you guys, let me know.

 

[jonah]

That's a great addition Ravi, different surfaces requiring different batting attitudes. If you think the new files are ready for testing, send them on .
I've started another game in my epic struggle to beat Pakistan;
hard wicket, cloudy day. I (Eng) won the toss and looking at the strip decided to bat. Lost Tresco early to an edge to slip, but Vaughan came in and timed the ball well from the start. Solanki got a poor lbw (going down leg, honest!!), and then the Pakistani bowlers tightened the screw (Troughton took 20 balls to get off the mark). At 15 overs I was 54/2. This progressed to 108/2 after 25, with Troughton still struggling to time the ball. He edged to slip with the score on 114, Clarke came in ahead of Flintoff and moved the score on to 157 when he sq cut to slip.After 40 overs, England were 176/4, and were looking to up the run rate. Flintoff was looking dangerous, when he sq cut a short ball. It was flying to the boundary for 6 but Shoaib pulled off a blinding, diving catch on the boundary to dismiss him. McGrath came in, got a start, but went in identical fashion to Freddie, albeit to an even better catch ( Azhar diving forward). Then the England tail collapsed, with the skipper stranded at the other end; Anderson caught at long off with the last ball of the innings.
So, only 220 on a hard wicket. I was looking for at least 250, and all the middle order got a start but got out. The wickets of Flintoff and McGrath were crucial.
However, Gough has struck early, bowling Nazir in the first over of the reply...Pak 4/1. Could be close....

Great batting safs Ravi . I really enjoyed this innings, although it fell short of the total I wanted, it had a real lifelike feel to it. Plus getting Vaughan to his century was cool . I may wait to play the Pakistan innings until I receive the new safs, to see how they chase.

 

[amber22]

Yes , Ravi you can send them to me also.And for green pitches do you not think that there is less movement for fast bowlers than what it should be.

If you feel , you can correct that.
Thanks

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 23 2003, 12:55 PM
That's a great addition Ravi, different surfaces requiring different batting attitudes. If you think the new files are ready for testing, send them on .
I've started another game in my epic struggle to beat Pakistan;
hard wicket, cloudy day. I (Eng) won the toss and looking at the strip decided to bat. Lost Tresco early to an edge to slip, but Vaughan came in and timed the ball well from the start. Solanki got a poor lbw (going down leg, honest!!), and then the Pakistani bowlers tightened the screw (Troughton took 20 balls to get off the mark). At 15 overs I was 54/2. This progressed to 108/2 after 25, with Troughton still struggling to time the ball. He edged to slip with the score on 114, Clarke came in ahead of Flintoff and moved the score on to 157 when he sq cut to slip.After 40 overs, England were 176/4, and were looking to up the run rate. Flintoff was looking dangerous, when he sq cut a short ball. It was flying to the boundary for 6 but Shoaib pulled off a blinding, diving catch on the boundary to dismiss him. McGrath came in, got a start, but went in identical fashion to Freddie, albeit to an even better catch ( Azhar diving forward). Then the England tail collapsed, with the skipper stranded at the other end; Anderson caught at long off with the last ball of the innings.
So, only 220 on a hard wicket. I was looking for at least 250, and all the middle order got a start but got out. The wickets of Flintoff and McGrath were crucial.
However, Gough has struck early, bowling Nazir in the first over of the reply...Pak 4/1. Could be close....

Great batting safs Ravi . I really enjoyed this innings, although it fell short of the total I wanted, it had a real lifelike feel to it. Plus getting Vaughan to his century was cool . I may wait to play the Pakistan innings until I receive the new safs, to see how they chase.

You still have batted very well there Jonah, an excellent inning by Vaughan. Another to add to the record books of the century makers we already have. I wont be able to send you the updates till I get home and that will be atleast 8 hours from now. If you are keen you might want to bowl to Pakistan using the current files and see how it goes. As suggested by Shailesh it will also help us to see if the chase is methodical or is it just a coincidence. I am happy you get a feel of real life when you bat. I guess apart from just the update I mentioned about making it little easier to settle on certain pitches I will not venture into any other changes as all you guys seem pleased with the batting setup files.

Amber, did you mean the movement when you are bowling or the CPU?

 

[mani_gamer]

hi guys
i also played a match between zim and eng on a normal pitch and cloudy day
i was eng
zim batted
zim lost there 1st wick on the 1st ball caught on the slips :o
then there was a parternship of 44 between andy flower and
vermuelen
u wont belive this andy took 40 balls to get the 1st run
vvermuelen played a greatr knock of 67
adter getting andy out
every1 got out
but vermuelen was not out tilll the end
they were bowled out for 128 in 42 overs
this is imp
they took 42 overs
which means its realistic

and ravi when a batsman is early in hiss innings
whenever he tries to play the cover drive he misses
but after 30-40 balls he plays it abssolutely perfectly
plzz make the batsman hit the cover drive early in his innings but
with less timing

and as far the match is concerned i won it
by 4 wickets
eng were 131/6 in 37 overs
SOrry guys i forgot to ttake a screenie
but believe me i played this game
and this damn game doesnt has a feature of saving data
without a tournament
this patch is lookin great ravi
full marks to u

 

[mani_gamer]

and ravi this time i dint bowl a single yorker

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by mani_gamer@Jun 24 2003, 04:57 AM
hi guys
i also played a match between zim and eng on a normal pitch and cloudy day
i was eng
zim batted
zim lost there 1st wick on the 1st ball caught on the slips :o
then there was a parternship of 44 between andy flower and
vermuelen
u wont belive this andy took 40 balls to get the 1st run
vvermuelen played a greatr knock of 67
adter getting andy out
every1 got out
but vermuelen was not out tilll the end
they were bowled out for 128 in 42 overs
this is imp
they took 42 overs
which means its realistic

and ravi when a batsman is early in hiss innings
whenever he tries to play the cover drive he misses
but after 30-40 balls he plays it abssolutely perfectly
plzz make the batsman hit the cover drive early in his innings but
with less timing

and as far the match is concerned i won it
by 4 wickets
eng were 131/6 in 37 overs
SOrry guys i forgot to ttake a screenie
but believe me i played this game
and this damn game doesnt has a feature of saving data
without a tournament
this patch is lookin great ravi
full marks to u

Thanks for that Mani, Good to know you enjoyed the game and I do believe you won. The Cover drive or in that matter any shot played by the CPU are pretty much sorted in the next update and you will see the CPU will be much more challenging in this update. Ofcourse taking into consideration the strength of the opponent you are playing against, it will perform.

I am just waiting to make sure this patch will enhance the gameplay from my previous patch which you guys think is pretty good.

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by Statman@Jun 23 2003, 04:46 AM
If your looking to save your statistics. A few years ago, well about 6 to be exact. Daniel Flower released an excel spreadsheet to keep track of stats.


You may want to create a spreadsheet. I remember using that spreadsheet for a bunch of matches in Cricket 97, ATE and its not that hard to create a spreadsheet either.


Ravi..... you mentioned in a thread about playing Cricket 2002 online... I am more than willing to try this out. Better yet I already know how to play Cricket 97 online for free


l8r

Statman

Thats seems a good tip but it will be very nice to not have to input scores manually and get the game to do it for us. I cant see how that can happen for now.

Playing Cricket 2002 online using Netmeeting didnt come off well, you could see the game being played but two users cannot share the pc at one time. Each time every user has to use the pc we will need to release the control to the other one.

Also Statman you will need to wait for couple of days or more for the update to be sent to you. You had quite a few issues with the previous patch that I sent and I do not want to cause anymore with this one. Once assured by other testers will make sure you will be sent a copy as well.

Meanwhile Jonah, Amber, Shailesh and Mani the update is on its way. In particular I am looking for feedback on the following :

1. I have made sure that the edges are only dominant in pitches like Green and Damp but you guys can play a few games on other pitches as well as see if its a bit too much for both Human and CPU.

2. I have made sure there is enough balance in the mode of dismissals with CPU batting. Anything odd please let me know we can try and fix those.

3. If by any chance CPU doesnt show enough interest in trying to win a ODI while chasing please let me know.

4. There has been an honest effort to get the CPU to defend or score runs off a yorker. Appox 90% of the time it should dig out the yorker or score some runs off them. Let me know if this still is a problem.

5. When batting it should fairly easy to get a start on a dry, dusty and hard pitches whereas it will turn out to be a struggle :dave: on a Green or a Damp surface. Nomal pitches well it should just play normal

6. Also please let me know if playing against different oppostion produces different kind of results or not. It also depends on whom you are playing as as well.

I cannot think of anything apart from this for now. If I do remember later on, I will add them here.

 

[jonah]

Originally posted by crick4life@Jun 23 2003, 11:40 PM
You still have batted very well there Jonah, an excellent inning by Vaughan. Another to add to the record books of the century makers we already have.

Yes it was really satisfying to get that century Ravi, coz I felt I had to work for it. Another excellent thing was that when Troughton came in, Vaughan was going great guns, timing well etc. But I couldn't time a thing when Troughton was batting :blink:, which shows just how you have to play a player in. I didn't take too many risks with Vaughan thereafter, thought I'd try to keep one established batsman in, while all the other wickets went down. Great stuff.

I've just received the new files, thanks for those . You've sent both batting and bowling files; are there any notable changes to the batting ones, or should I stick with the ones I used in the above innings?