The End Of Australian Dominance?

[Therbs]

In the domestic 1st class final there were several players who would walk into other Test teams. Katich scored 1500 first class runs this season, a record. Brad Hodge has been unlucky that Michael Clarke and Mike Hussey have cemented spots. There's also competition for fast bowling spots. Brett Lee and Stuart Clarke are game breaking wicket takers and Mitchell Johnson is quickly learning the art. There are several other young fast bowlers coming through the ranks and keeping the pressure on the established stars.
Brad Haddin replaces Gilly - not as good but still a fine keeper/batsman who will maintain a very high standard. the major weakness is in spin bowling. Macgill will tour the Windies but Australia really needs one of the youngsters to shine otherwise Bryce McGain may find himself wearing the Baggy Green.
Hayden's replacement will either be Rogers. Phillip Hughes however looked extremely good with his ton in the domestic first class final.
There's a lot of talent, its just not at the same level as Warne, McGrath and Gilchrist. It would be foolish for any side to take Australia lightly or to assume they cannot maintain no.1 Test ranking.

 

[SciD]

I think this will never happen. But they will not be as dominant as last 10 years.

 

[Ponting_14]

well you should have trouble chosing your team,as the future world champs are india and i bet you had ahard time seeing your team hammered

Why in gods name would I have trouble picking my new team for the month? When I've only gone for one team my whole life and will always go for one team, through the good times and bad, the country I was born and raised in (unlike some).

Somewhat like you it seams, who was so proud and honored that he went for India, that he had "Everyone" in his national team, when they were crap...

My teams Australia,India,england,south africa,pakistan,srilanka,new zealand,
bangladesh,zimbabwe,namibia,U.S.A,and every other cricket playing nation as i am the cricket_god

Pathetic

 

[sohum]

Still no excuse, how many times is that by our population?

The answer is simple. Why don't you compare the number of specialized jobs coming out of Australia to India? Doctors, Engineers, etc. India produces some of the best neurosurgeons and heart specialists in the world.

Australia puts a huge emphasis on sport. India puts a huge emphasis on education.

Also, there is much more space in Australia to cultivate sports. Just look at the mathematics of it. Schools across one city may end up sharing a small field, let alone have a cricket ground for each one.

In the domestic 1st class final there were several players who would walk into other Test teams.

That's just a misinformed opinion, I feel. I mean have you been following the domestic competitions of all the 9 other cricketing nations? And how can you gauge how good a player is before they play international cricket? There are many domestic maulers who are just not cut for the international game.

 

[Will_NA]

after beating australia 3-0 at home

3-0? What series were you watching?

 

[Brady]

3-0? What series were you watching?

Maybe he's talking about the Commonwealth Bank Series finals.

he may have mistaken 3-0 for the actual 2-0 scorline.

 

[Therbs]

The answer is simple. Why don't you compare the number of specialized jobs coming out of Australia to India? Doctors, Engineers, etc. India produces some of the best neurosurgeons and heart specialists in the world.

Australia puts a huge emphasis on sport. India puts a huge emphasis on education.

Also, there is much more space in Australia to cultivate sports. Just look at the mathematics of it. Schools across one city may end up sharing a small field, let alone have a cricket ground for each one.


That's just a misinformed opinion, I feel. I mean have you been following the domestic competitions of all the 9 other cricketing nations? And how can you gauge how good a player is before they play international cricket? There are many domestic maulers who are just not cut for the international game.

For starters the reason why Australia is importing numbers of skilled workers is because the birth rate is down. In the professions there are stringent requirements required before overseas-trained people can come in - most of them meet the criteria after a short re-examination process. The emphasis in Australia is to allow everyone to have access to a good education. In practice it doesn't happen all of the time but the structure and encouragement is there. Government spending on eductaion outstrips that on sport. Its a non-argument. Sport is seen by those who are good at it as a possible money-earner. That is not the expectation of all Australians. However there is a high level of participation in the amateur ranks. Sport is seen as a great past time and the interest in sporting events is high.
In terms of Australian domestic cricket the standard of players is very high. I believe a world provincial championship would show this.
We can tell how high the standard of our domestic cricket is by the constant levels of performance by state cricketers in English first class cricket as well as in our own competition. These are the two first class competitions which are generally held up as being of the highest standard. Doesn't mean that other competitions aren't competitive or of a high standard. The recent performances of the Indian young guns in Australia is proof enough of that.
The English competition relies on international stars, the Australian competition is a result of the high standards in grade cricket.
So I think a competition between the highest ranked provincial teams of each country would be great to see. It won't happen but I love the concept.

 

[Cricketdude]

The answer is simple. Why don't you compare the number of specialized jobs coming out of Australia to India? Doctors, Engineers, etc. India produces some of the best neurosurgeons and heart specialists in the world.

Australia puts a huge emphasis on sport. India puts a huge emphasis on education.

Also, there is much more space in Australia to cultivate sports. Just look at the mathematics of it. Schools across one city may end up sharing a small field, let alone have a cricket ground for each one.

Please dont make a judgement when you dont know what your saying. 80% of Australians live on the coast of Australia because in the middle and stuff its all dry and no water comes. Australia is actually pretty crowded when you think about it.

So as i said its very hard to live in the outback considering the weather, besides we got to leave some space for the kangaroos.

 

[sohum]

For starters the reason why Australia is importing numbers of skilled workers is because the birth rate is down. In the professions there are stringent requirements required before overseas-trained people can come in - most of them meet the criteria after a short re-examination process. The emphasis in Australia is to allow everyone to have access to a good education. In practice it doesn't happen all of the time but the structure and encouragement is there. Government spending on eductaion outstrips that on sport. Its a non-argument. Sport is seen by those who are good at it as a possible money-earner. That is not the expectation of all Australians. However there is a high level of participation in the amateur ranks. Sport is seen as a great past time and the interest in sporting events is high.

Fair point, but the point I was making is not the government spending on sports but the importance of sports in the culture. You cannot argue that Australia has one of the strongest sporting cultures in the world. In India, sport is traditionally frowned upon as an occupation. 90% of the parents in India want their sons growing up to be doctors or engineers. Most people end up playing sports at the expense of neglecting their studies, and in India that is generally not encouraged.

In terms of Australian domestic cricket the standard of players is very high. I believe a world provincial championship would show this.
We can tell how high the standard of our domestic cricket is by the constant levels of performance by state cricketers in English first class cricket as well as in our own competition. These are the two first class competitions which are generally held up as being of the highest standard. Doesn't mean that other competitions aren't competitive or of a high standard. The recent performances of the Indian young guns in Australia is proof enough of that.
The English competition relies on international stars, the Australian competition is a result of the high standards in grade cricket.
So I think a competition between the highest ranked provincial teams of each country would be great to see. It won't happen but I love the concept.

Yeah, so that's my point, right? I mean you don't really know too much about domestic competitions other than your own--and it's the same with me (although I don't know that much about the Indian domestic competition either ). What about the Pakistani, South African, West Indian, Kiwi and Sri Lankan domestic competitions? Many of these teams are batting heavy and thinking that someone can walk on to them because of fine domestic performances isn't an accurate gage.

For example, Subramaniam Badrinath is considered by many to be the best Indian batsman without an Indian test cap. We've also got a line-up of pretty strong domestic performers. When someone of the class of Sehwag can be dropped from the Test side (he's got at least a double almost every season, I believe), then that shows that there is batting strength there.

Please dont make a judgement when you dont know what your saying. 80% of Australians live on the coast of Australia because in the middle and stuff its all dry and no water comes. Australia is actually pretty crowded when you think about it.

So as i said its very hard to live in the outback considering the weather, besides we got to leave some space for the kangaroos.

You've still got no argument when compared to India, though, it's just simply much more crowded in India. Even the perimeter of Australia is pretty large.

 

[aussie_ben91]

I thought the highest honour you could possibly get as an Indian was to play International Cricket for India?

 

[sohum]

I thought the highest honour you could possibly get as an Indian was to play International Cricket for India?

I seriously hope you are joking.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Then why is the entire country obsessed with cricket?

I've also seen several interviewing clips of Indians from ages 6-18 saying that playing International Cricket for India is the highest honour you can recieve.

 

[SciD]

I thought the highest honour you could possibly get as an Indian was to play International Cricket for India?

Clearing IAS or getting in IIM or IIT is more high.

Those who play cricket are born lucky. One will consider himself lucky to be in District team. Cricket is not everything here. Its just a sport we love madly. Its like saying every Englishmen wants to be Footballer.

 

[Cricketdude]

Clearing IAS or getting in IIM or IIT is more high.

Those who play cricket are born lucky. One will consider himself lucky to be in District team. Cricket is not everything here. Its just a sport we love madly. Its like saying every Englishmen wants to be Footballer.

Yeah but surely a country who get packed stadiums and love it like a mans best friend that they should get more tendulkars.

I actually think Australians are naturally more gifted except for Tendulkar.

 

[sohum]

Then why is the entire country obsessed with cricket?

Because it's a fun game?

I've also seen several interviewing clips of Indians from ages 6-18 saying that playing International Cricket for India is the highest honour you can recieve.

Since when did these random interviewees become the Litmus test for the nation?

Yeah but surely a country who get packed stadiums and love it like a mans best friend that they should get more tendulkars.

I actually think Australians are naturally more gifted except for Tendulkar.

Did you just ignore my last 5-odd posts? Even if we have a Tendulkar here or there, he is likely to be forced by his parents to take academics more seriously.