The Quota System

Poignant article on S Africa's quota system and the state of black cricketers in S Africa @stefan @Markkkkk @cricket_icon @SpitfiresKent @TheW @swirler

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Would it have been different with Khaya Majola around?

Cricket in South Africa is perilously close to being irrelevant for the country's largest demographic group




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The England team visit the township of Alexandra near Johannesburg in 1995. Nowadays, townships rarely get to host touring teams © Getty Images


These are troubled, grit-in-the-shoe type times for South African cricket. Something is obviously wrong, although opinion diverges as to what exactly this is. Could it be a post-World Cup hangover? The delayed personality and experience vacuum that has followed the retirement of stellar players? Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that neither AB de Villiers nor Hashim Amla - captain of the ODI and Test sides respectively - are naturally gifted or inspirational leaders, a situation compounded by the fact that coach Russell Domingo has his apologists as well as detractors.

Long have the South Africans been searching for a settled 50-over opening partnership and too often finishers and lower middle-order power-hitters don't close or clear the ropes. There are too many left-handers with similar strike rates in the upper order of the ODI side and normally good fielders are dropping catches. The South Africans even look unhappy. Victory in the ODI series against New Zealand on Wednesday night at Kingsmead brought no joy, only relief. Clearly, there are issues.

Graeme Smith is the one of the few men in these moody, on-edge times who has been prepared to call a bat a bat. He's been in the SuperSport commentary box for the duration of the just-completed New Zealand series, and his style has been to hector his fellow commentators by asking them direct questions. A well-developed capacity for fence-sitting seems to be a mandatory requirement for the men from SuperSport and it's been instructive to see Smith probe for the outside edge. His emotional chafing with the chums and the system is almost tangible. It's also poignant because you sense he knows what's wrong in the team and broader environment but he's no longer in a position to do very much about it.





The message to young black cricketers is that they're not wanted unless they can get to a good school in one of the leafy suburbs. Cricket, a sport that was courageous enough to actively change its politics when Bacher realised the error of inviting Mike Gatting's England "rebels" to South Africa in 1990, has become stuck in an upper middle-class cul-de-sac






Pathos is not confined to the recently retired. With the local release of former Cricket SA president Mtutuzeli Nyoka's book Deliberate Concealment last week, we were reminded that it's the 15th anniversary almost to the day of the late Khaya Majola's death. Khaya, the older brother of Gerald, the man Nyoka fell out with over the 2009 IPL bonus scandal, was widely tipped to take over from Ali Bacher when Bacher shuffled off to organise the 2003 World Cup in South Africa. In the event, this never happened. Khaya died tragically of colon cancer in 2000 and Nyoka - irony of ironies - sat on the interview panel that gave Bacher's job to Gerald.

Few outside of South Africa know much about Khaya but inside the country he was well liked, even revered, a grace-filled man in a sometimes ungracious country. He was a tireless advocate of transformation but managed to be so without being prescriptive or doctrinaire, bringing people along without having to raise his voice. He was almost single-handedly responsible for transforming the fortunes of his beloved Soweto CC in the late '90s, going so far as sleeping on the clubhouse floor on Saturday nights to ensure that his players didn't get up to mischief in nearby township taverns and shebeens. Under him players like Johnson Mafa, Sonnyboy Letshela and the late Walter Masimula all went on to play provincially and played dominant roles in the club's glory years.





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Does cricket speak to young black kids in South Africa anymore? © Getty Images






It's a different situation nowadays. Privately, CSA officials will tell you that the townships are irredeemable, disaster areas with poorly-functioning schools and malfunctioning councils. Although England play in Kimberley, Pietermaritzburg and Potchefstroom on their forthcoming tour, it is significant that they will not play a match in a township, as they did, say in 1995-96. The pragmatism of such an attitude is undeniable, yet the spiritual and emotional consequences of such a withdrawal of interest is profound. The message to young black cricketers is they're not wanted unless they can get to a good school in one of the leafy suburbs - and not everyone can. What this means is that cricket, a sport that was courageous enough to actively change its politics when Bacher realised the error of inviting Mike Gatting's England "rebels" to South Africa in 1990, has become stuck in an upper middle-class cul-de-sac. Bacher doesn't approve because he's told me so. One cannot speak for Khaya, but it's difficult to see how he would find reason to forgive the current cricket administrators' and the government's retreat.

It is comforting to think that with him at the helm things would have been different. Indeed, it is possibly no more than a reflection of our touchy times to even consider what he might have done. This, after all, is one of the most economically skewed and racially over-wrought societies on earth. The hidden rips and dangerous tides of the sport might have dumped even as sure a swimmer as him.

Luke Alfred is a journalist based in Johannesburg
 
The only thing that makes sense is that you have to be at a top tier school to make it and that isnt even 100% true. Townships and 'black' areas dont have a big cricket interest because of 4 reasons:

1) The government/CSA dont encourage it/supply gear/build grounds or help development.

2) Nobody has the time to play a game of cricket (the majority of peoplen yownships are unemployed so the kids have to work and help out selling stuff)

3) The gear is too expensive to buy.

4) Townships have soccer and soccer dominates all the kids lives.

See I dont know who Khaya was but he wouldnt of changed anything. Everyone who goes to CSA does nothing for the growth of cricket and helping townships grow but just makes dumb rules like Quota and such. The guy wrote about having to go to a top school but thats not true, in all honesty all you have to do is be black (no racism its true). I played for Gauteng North in 2012 and when I played the Gauteng team by law they had to have 6 whites and 6 nonwhites (but it was 5/6 black people) and I can tell you right now that 3 or 4 of those guys didnt know how to bowl which for a Provincial side is embarrasing now go to the Free State and see their 6 nonwhites then these oaks would be cricket superstars. Now to be fair 1 or 2 of the non whites were good and one of them has gone on to break records and score hundreds but thats not because of quota its because he goes to a top notch school (and he has talent).
 
The only thing that makes sense is that you have to be at a top tier school to make it and that isnt even 100% true. Townships and 'black' areas dont have a big cricket interest because of 4 reasons:

1) The government/CSA dont encourage it/supply gear/build grounds or help development.

2) Nobody has the time to play a game of cricket (the majority of peoplen yownships are unemployed so the kids have to work and help out selling stuff)

3) The gear is too expensive to buy.

4) Townships have soccer and soccer dominates all the kids lives.

See I dont know who Khaya was but he wouldnt of changed anything. Everyone who goes to CSA does nothing for the growth of cricket and helping townships grow but just makes dumb rules like Quota and such. The guy wrote about having to go to a top school but thats not true, in all honesty all you have to do is be black (no racism its true). I played for Gauteng North in 2012 and when I played the Gauteng team by law they had to have 6 whites and 6 nonwhites (but it was 5/6 black people) and I can tell you right now that 3 or 4 of those guys didnt know how to bowl which for a Provincial side is embarrasing now go to the Free State and see their 6 nonwhites then these oaks would be cricket superstars. Now to be fair 1 or 2 of the non whites were good and one of them has gone on to break records and score hundreds but thats not because of quota its because he goes to a top notch school (and he has talent).

I have come to realize that this "quota" thing in S Africa cricket is bigger than cricket. One of the strange things about the debate of having more black players is how S Africa define a "black man" which is totally different to how people in England, USA, Caribbean do.

To the rest of the world, Vernon Philander is black, but to S Africa he isn't as black as Tsotsobe or young Rabada.

A next thing as you rightly highlighted is the great preference of black S African kids towards football than cricket, its not something you can force people to like even if you push development into communities - its a very similar dynamic to modern generation black brits not being into cricket or Indian's of the caribbean not playing football or Natives people in New Zealand all for Rugby than cricket.

But as I always say S Africa tend to produce enough white talent or the asian/black out of their system that have made them stay among the top 2 teams across formats since readmission - so they get away with sticking in the odd quota player in teams over the years without causing team to drop in performance drastically.

However I'm very sure if ICC had strong administrative rules like football towards government influence over sport - CSA could never have implemented the quota at international level because they could have been banned.
 
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However I'm very sure if ICC had strong administrative rules like football towards government influence over sport - CSA could never have implemented the quota at international level because they could have been banned.

They would have certainly been banned if they tried it, for all fifa's issues the one thing they are strong on is political interference when it comes to selections. Quite a few countries have been banned previously for it.

ICC is way too weak to do anything and the same applies for rugby and the WR. Both turn a blind eye to the political interference that happens in these sports in SA.
 
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Zondo mum on 'black cricketers in unity' letter

2015-11-11 12:19

Lloyd Burnard - Sport24

Cape Town - Proteas squad member Khaya Zondo finds himself at the heart of cricket's latest transformation quandary.

The middle order batsman was a part of the T20 and ODI squads in India last month, although he returned to South African having not featured in either of the two T20Is (the third was washed out) or five ODIs.

And now, there are reports of a letter sent to Cricket South Africa (CSA) highlighting the concerns of black players not getting an opportunity on Proteas tours.

Zondo says he has seen reports of the letter, but he does not want to talk about it.

The 25-year-old was expected by many to make his Proteas debut after JP Duminy was ruled out of the final two ODIs in India, but it was not to be.

First, all-rounder Chris Morris was selected as Duminy's replacement and then in the final match Dean Elgar - not part of the original ODI squad - was rushed in ahead of Zondo.

According to Wednesday's edition of Die Burger, the letter raised concerns from black players who felt that they were not being treated fairly on Proteas tours, with the hashtag '#DrinksCarriersMustFall' featuring at the end of it.

When contacted by Sport24 on Wednesday, Zondo was not prepared to publicly discuss the letter or its contents.

Back with the Dolphins and in the middle of their T20 campaign, Zondo spoke fondly of his time in India and said he wanted to work hard to stay in the mix for a Proteas call-up in the future.

"It was good. It was nice to be around the guys and learn things from them," said Zondo.

"Now it's just about going back to working hard."
 
We're beating a dead horse. We all know how quota works. Government push black players through the ranks instead of growing better quality from the beginning. Thus giving us Zondo being forced into the SA squad with an average under 30. Honestly everyone knew he would not be called up into the XI. This is all a big waste of time...
 
"The only guideline is, if there's a genuinely fifty-fifty call and it's either A or B and A happens to be a black player, you select A."

I hate this so much. This single statement is the reason for me not making regional sides and being pushed down the queue. Its all bullcrap honestly. Just excuses so the government dont have to lift a finger...
 

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