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Ah fearsome tweak it 
What a freaking disaster on the cusp of tea.
What a freaking disaster on the cusp of tea.
West Indies Tour of England - May to June 2012
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puddleduck
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puddleduck
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Ah well, Shiv yet again proving his quality. Didn't really agree with the plans to him, but he makes it difficult. Didn't attack his stumps enough I feel, but still, well played Shiv.
West Indies were always going to find it hard to claw back a 155 run deficit, I wonder if they wouldn't be better moving Chanderpaul up the order rather than have him fighting rearguard actions all the time and no substance above nor much below him.
Don't think it's too hard to predict that the speed with which the match concludes depends very much on Chanderpaul, can't see Samuels, Sammy and Ramdin doing too much to set a total, BUT if Chanderpaul can get a hundred and a couple of supporting innings could see as much as 200+ for England to chase.
Personally I think England will face something around 120-150 target
Don't think it's too hard to predict that the speed with which the match concludes depends very much on Chanderpaul, can't see Samuels, Sammy and Ramdin doing too much to set a total, BUT if Chanderpaul can get a hundred and a couple of supporting innings could see as much as 200+ for England to chase.
Personally I think England will face something around 120-150 target
puddleduck
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They were talking about this the other day. I think if Shiv wants to bat 5, he bats 5. No point taking your only world class batsman and then taking him out of his comfort zone.
Sarwan doing well at Leics...
Game just keeps progressing, difficult to interpret this so far. I think we've just done what we've needed to so far. Got a decent lead, bowled well on a pitch that isn't doing much, even if it is swinging for the first 30 overs or so of the new ball.
Although he got a good wicket today, still not convinced Bresnan was the right selection, just a bit too defensive for my liking. Finn or even Onions would have been better, though I think any of those three would do a good job. So there's no bad selection, just maybe not the right one!
Game just keeps progressing, difficult to interpret this so far. I think we've just done what we've needed to so far. Got a decent lead, bowled well on a pitch that isn't doing much, even if it is swinging for the first 30 overs or so of the new ball.
Although he got a good wicket today, still not convinced Bresnan was the right selection, just a bit too defensive for my liking. Finn or even Onions would have been better, though I think any of those three would do a good job. So there's no bad selection, just maybe not the right one!
puddleduck
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Yeah I think that sums it up fairly well.
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Don't say that to Otis Gibson and the WICB they might ask you for an apology, I have been following his games and let face it we all know he got game, except for the Gibson and WICB of course!
I still say regardless of the outcome of this test Bresnan looks the weak link in the team, he may get a wicket or 2 but looks ordinary, by his selection I assume he is the best out of the rest? Am happy our young batsmen did not have to deal with his pace
We've not hard a great All-Rounder since Flintoff, but Bresnan has fit the hole reasonably well so far. I can see where you're coming from, because when the rest of the team is so good, somebody who looks 'weak' in that team would probably be seen as a very good player in a team that isn't playing as well.
It would be good to bring somebody like a Trego in, but I think the best option would be to get Broad to focus on his batting, so that he can comfortably bat 7, and then we'd have room for another seamer/spinner depending on the pitch, however i can't see that happening.
It would be good to bring somebody like a Trego in, but I think the best option would be to get Broad to focus on his batting, so that he can comfortably bat 7, and then we'd have room for another seamer/spinner depending on the pitch, however i can't see that happening.
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Especially your 37 year old world class batsman. Better to give the young pups the chance higher up the order, they'll get more out of it in the long run.
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The thing about Sarwan is that he was always the third or fourth best Test batsman. You knew instantly he was good, but you were always waiting for him to prove it with big scores. He'd go missing all the time; that was especially evident when they booted Gayle and discovered he couldn't carry the team like Shiv. If he's at his best, he could certainly fit into the team and improve the top order, but I'm not so certain he'd be categorically incapable of getting out for not enough.
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Our Past Bst west Indies eam Always Fall Flat on the ground.
From the beginning of this Test England got a Powerfully Team at Home, and If India, Australia who is better than West Indies if they cant beat England I dont think WI can beat them, even with Gayle and them.
Lets go back in De Past The Year 2009. Away From Otis Gibson and Sammy. when we had other coaches.
Two Test Match.
England Made 377 Runs and Bowled Out West Indies for 152.
Gayle 28 , DS smith 46,Sarwan 13, Simmons 16, Chanderpaul 0, Nash 4, Ramdin 5, J Taylor 0, S Benn 2, F Edwards 10 and Baker 17.
Were Follow on
Gayle 0, D smith 41, Sarwan 1, Simmons 21, chanderpaul 4, Nash 81, Ramdin 61, Jaylor15, S Benn 0, edwards 2, Baker 2
allout for 256.
England won by 10 wickets.
Test 2.
England won by an innings and 83 runs.
England bat first scored 569 Runs for 6 DEC.
West Indies Bowled out for 310.
Smith 7, Gayle 19, Sarwan 100, Simmons 8, Chanderpaul 23, Nash 10, Ramdin 55, Taylor 10, Benn 11 and baker 0.
got follow on and Got Bowled out for 176.
smith 11, Gayle54, Sarwan 22, Simmons10, Chanderpaul 47, Nash 1, Ramdin 0, Taylor 5, Benn0, Edwards 4, Baker 4.
England won de series 2-0.
England Bowlers were Anderson, Broad, Onions, Bresnan and Swann.
The Year is 2007
No Gibson and Sammy played 1 test.
Results | England v West Indies 2007 | ESPN Cricinfo
England won 3-0 out of 4.
Captain by Sarwan/ d Ganga.
First Test
England Made 553 for 5 Dec
Gayle 30, Ganga 49, smith 21, sarwan 35, Chanderpaul74, Morton 14, Bravo 56, Ramdin 60, Powell 36*, Taylor 21 and Collymore 1
allout for 437.
England bat agian score 284 for 8 Dec.
WI bat and scored 89 for no wicket
Gale 47, Ganga31
Match Draw
Test 2
England won by and inning and 283 runs.
England bat first scord 570 Runs /7 DEC
West Indies Batted
Gayle 11, Ganga5, Smith 26, Joseph 13, Morton 5,Bravo 23, Ramdin 6, Powell 8,Taylor 23, Collymor, sarwan injured.
Allout for 146.
follow on
2nd inning
Gayle 13,Ganga 9, Powell 0, smith 16, Joeph 1, Morton 25, Bravo 52, Ramdin5, Taylor 0, Collymore0.
Allout for 141.
3rd Test
England won by 60 Runs
note sammy got 7 wicket plus 1 wicket in the first innings.
England Allout for 370
West Indies Batted.
Gayle 23, Ganga 5, smith 40, Morton 35, Chanderpaul 50, Bravo 24, Ramidn 5, Sammy 1, Taylor 0, Collymore 4.
allout for 229
England Batted again and scored 313. (Sammy got 7 wickets.)
West Indies
Gayle 16, Ganga 0, smith 42, Morton 54,Chanderpaul 116, Bravo 49, Ramidn 34, Sammy 25, Taylor 11, Edwards 0, Collywmore 0.
allout for 394 England won by 60.
TesT 4.
Sammy Drop.
England won by 7 wickets
WI batted first scored 287 allout
Ganga 0, Gayle 28, D smith 4, Morton 6, Chanderpaul 136, Bravo 44, Samuels 19, Ramdin 13,Powell 1, edwards 5, Collywmore 13.
England batted made 400 allout
WI batted
Gayle 52, smith 0, Ganga 6, Morto 7, Chanderpaul 70, Bravo43, Samuels 2, ramidn4, Powell 4. Edward0, collywmore 16
England wo by 7 wkts.
The Year is 2004.
Results | Global | ESPN Cricinfo
West Indies again white wash 4-0
Captain BC Lara.
No Gibson and Sammy
Test 1.
England scored 568 all out.
West Reply 416 all out.
Gayle 66, Smith 45, Sarwan 1, BC Lara 11, Chanderpaul128, DJ Bravo 44, Jacob 32,I Banks 45, Best 0, Collins 0 and Edwards 5.
England bat again and Scored 325.
West Indies Reply 267 all out.
Gayle 81, Smith 6, Sarwan 4,Lara 44, Chanderpaul 97*, Bravo10, Jacob 1, Banks 0,Best 3, Collins2,Edwards 2.
Test 2
England won by 256
England made 566-9dec.
WI
Gale 7, Smith 4, Sarwan 139, Lara 95, Chanderpaul 45, Bravo 13, Jacob 0, Banks 4, Collins 6, Collymore2, Lawson 0
Eng bat again 248 allout
WI
Gayle 82, smith 11, srwan 14, Lara 13, Chanderpaul 43, Bravo 0, Jacob 0, Banks 25, Collins 0, collymore 10, Lawson 2.
allout for 222.
Test 3
lost by 7 wickts.
WI bat first
Gayle 5, Joseph 45, Sarwan 40, Lara 0, Chanderpaul 76, Bravo 77, Baugh 68, Mohammad 23, Collins 19, Edwards 4 395-9dec
england batted 330 allout
Wi batted
Gayle 42, Joseph 15, Sarwan 60, LAra 7, Chanderpaul 2, Bravo 6, Baugh 3, Mohammad 9, Collins 8, Collymore 5 and edward 0 allout for 165.
Eagland score 231 for 3. winning by 7 wkts
TEST 4
Lost by 10wkts
England scored 470a/o
WI batted
Gayle 12, Joseph 9, sarwan 2, Lara79, Chanderpaul 14, Bravo16, baugh 6, Collymor 4, edwards 0, Lawson 3, DRsmith Hurt
allout for 152.
follow on
Gayle 105, Joseph 16, Sarwan 7,Lara 15,Bravo 54,Chanderpaul32, DR SMith 28, Baugh 34, Collywmore 7, Edwards 2, Lawson 4. allout for 318
The Last 3 visit to England was very hard for West Indies Losing Every single Match and drawing 1.
so what we expect from a inexperience Team,
Current Match.
2012
under Gibson and Sammy
West indies bat first
Scored 243
Barath 42, Powell 5, Edward 1, Brav 29, Chanderpaul 87, Samuels 31, Ramdin 6, Sammy 17, Roach 6, edwards 2, Gabriel 0.
allout for 243
england batted allout for 398.
West Indies batted
Barath 24, Powell 8, Edwards 0, Bravo 21, Chanderpaul 34, Samuels 26.
Trail by 35.
Looking at a defeat, but how big we will have to wait and see.At least so far one Inning from England we go England Below 400 .
England is a Very Very hard Team on there own Home condition, I dotn see this West Indies Team beating them, but I hope they put up a better fight in th other 2 matches, they came back slightly in the 3rd Morning , If not been 15 run infront with 7 wickets in Hand, England could of gotten 450 + Runs.
Kirk edward seem to like dead pitches in Caribbean, Bangladesh and India where he made all his 100's and 50's at. but England seem to fast for him, West Indies got to rethink about him.
Barath and Bravo NEEDS to carry on they are capable of making runs, they need to stay around. Powell was a Waste in this Team, Fudani should replace him. Ramdin need to start making Runs. Sammy his 2nd Match against England in England in Test, Last time he got 8 wickets in the Match, current match he got 2. whle Young Gabriel needs to bowl more he picks up 3 wickets, and Roach was expnsion but pitch up 3 wickets, samuel got 1 and edwards got one.
I think If Rampal is fit he replace F Edwards, while Fudani to replace Powell and Deonarine to Replace K Edward for the 2nd Test. reason for k Edward he Failed 4 Times, 2 against englanf lion and now against england.
A Barath, Fudani, D Bravo, S Chanderpaul, Deonarine, Samuels, Ramdin, Sammy, Rampal, Roach and Gabreil my choice for the 2nd Test. Maybe change Samuels or Deonarine with shillingford, Depends.
Promote Chanderpaul up the Order to at least 4th.
From the beginning of this Test England got a Powerfully Team at Home, and If India, Australia who is better than West Indies if they cant beat England I dont think WI can beat them, even with Gayle and them.
Lets go back in De Past The Year 2009. Away From Otis Gibson and Sammy. when we had other coaches.
Two Test Match.
England Made 377 Runs and Bowled Out West Indies for 152.
Gayle 28 , DS smith 46,Sarwan 13, Simmons 16, Chanderpaul 0, Nash 4, Ramdin 5, J Taylor 0, S Benn 2, F Edwards 10 and Baker 17.
Were Follow on
Gayle 0, D smith 41, Sarwan 1, Simmons 21, chanderpaul 4, Nash 81, Ramdin 61, Jaylor15, S Benn 0, edwards 2, Baker 2
allout for 256.
England won by 10 wickets.
Test 2.
England won by an innings and 83 runs.
England bat first scored 569 Runs for 6 DEC.
West Indies Bowled out for 310.
Smith 7, Gayle 19, Sarwan 100, Simmons 8, Chanderpaul 23, Nash 10, Ramdin 55, Taylor 10, Benn 11 and baker 0.
got follow on and Got Bowled out for 176.
smith 11, Gayle54, Sarwan 22, Simmons10, Chanderpaul 47, Nash 1, Ramdin 0, Taylor 5, Benn0, Edwards 4, Baker 4.
England won de series 2-0.
England Bowlers were Anderson, Broad, Onions, Bresnan and Swann.
The Year is 2007
No Gibson and Sammy played 1 test.
Results | England v West Indies 2007 | ESPN Cricinfo
England won 3-0 out of 4.
Captain by Sarwan/ d Ganga.
First Test
England Made 553 for 5 Dec
Gayle 30, Ganga 49, smith 21, sarwan 35, Chanderpaul74, Morton 14, Bravo 56, Ramdin 60, Powell 36*, Taylor 21 and Collymore 1
allout for 437.
England bat agian score 284 for 8 Dec.
WI bat and scored 89 for no wicket
Gale 47, Ganga31
Match Draw
Test 2
England won by and inning and 283 runs.
England bat first scord 570 Runs /7 DEC
West Indies Batted
Gayle 11, Ganga5, Smith 26, Joseph 13, Morton 5,Bravo 23, Ramdin 6, Powell 8,Taylor 23, Collymor, sarwan injured.
Allout for 146.
follow on
2nd inning
Gayle 13,Ganga 9, Powell 0, smith 16, Joeph 1, Morton 25, Bravo 52, Ramdin5, Taylor 0, Collymore0.
Allout for 141.
3rd Test
England won by 60 Runs
note sammy got 7 wicket plus 1 wicket in the first innings.
England Allout for 370
West Indies Batted.
Gayle 23, Ganga 5, smith 40, Morton 35, Chanderpaul 50, Bravo 24, Ramidn 5, Sammy 1, Taylor 0, Collymore 4.
allout for 229
England Batted again and scored 313. (Sammy got 7 wickets.)
West Indies
Gayle 16, Ganga 0, smith 42, Morton 54,Chanderpaul 116, Bravo 49, Ramidn 34, Sammy 25, Taylor 11, Edwards 0, Collywmore 0.
allout for 394 England won by 60.
TesT 4.
Sammy Drop.
England won by 7 wickets
WI batted first scored 287 allout
Ganga 0, Gayle 28, D smith 4, Morton 6, Chanderpaul 136, Bravo 44, Samuels 19, Ramdin 13,Powell 1, edwards 5, Collywmore 13.
England batted made 400 allout
WI batted
Gayle 52, smith 0, Ganga 6, Morto 7, Chanderpaul 70, Bravo43, Samuels 2, ramidn4, Powell 4. Edward0, collywmore 16
England wo by 7 wkts.
The Year is 2004.
Results | Global | ESPN Cricinfo
West Indies again white wash 4-0
Captain BC Lara.
No Gibson and Sammy
Test 1.
England scored 568 all out.
West Reply 416 all out.
Gayle 66, Smith 45, Sarwan 1, BC Lara 11, Chanderpaul128, DJ Bravo 44, Jacob 32,I Banks 45, Best 0, Collins 0 and Edwards 5.
England bat again and Scored 325.
West Indies Reply 267 all out.
Gayle 81, Smith 6, Sarwan 4,Lara 44, Chanderpaul 97*, Bravo10, Jacob 1, Banks 0,Best 3, Collins2,Edwards 2.
Test 2
England won by 256
England made 566-9dec.
WI
Gale 7, Smith 4, Sarwan 139, Lara 95, Chanderpaul 45, Bravo 13, Jacob 0, Banks 4, Collins 6, Collymore2, Lawson 0
Eng bat again 248 allout
WI
Gayle 82, smith 11, srwan 14, Lara 13, Chanderpaul 43, Bravo 0, Jacob 0, Banks 25, Collins 0, collymore 10, Lawson 2.
allout for 222.
Test 3
lost by 7 wickts.
WI bat first
Gayle 5, Joseph 45, Sarwan 40, Lara 0, Chanderpaul 76, Bravo 77, Baugh 68, Mohammad 23, Collins 19, Edwards 4 395-9dec
england batted 330 allout
Wi batted
Gayle 42, Joseph 15, Sarwan 60, LAra 7, Chanderpaul 2, Bravo 6, Baugh 3, Mohammad 9, Collins 8, Collymore 5 and edward 0 allout for 165.
Eagland score 231 for 3. winning by 7 wkts
TEST 4
Lost by 10wkts
England scored 470a/o
WI batted
Gayle 12, Joseph 9, sarwan 2, Lara79, Chanderpaul 14, Bravo16, baugh 6, Collymor 4, edwards 0, Lawson 3, DRsmith Hurt
allout for 152.
follow on
Gayle 105, Joseph 16, Sarwan 7,Lara 15,Bravo 54,Chanderpaul32, DR SMith 28, Baugh 34, Collywmore 7, Edwards 2, Lawson 4. allout for 318
The Last 3 visit to England was very hard for West Indies Losing Every single Match and drawing 1.
so what we expect from a inexperience Team,
Current Match.
2012
under Gibson and Sammy
West indies bat first
Scored 243
Barath 42, Powell 5, Edward 1, Brav 29, Chanderpaul 87, Samuels 31, Ramdin 6, Sammy 17, Roach 6, edwards 2, Gabriel 0.
allout for 243
england batted allout for 398.
West Indies batted
Barath 24, Powell 8, Edwards 0, Bravo 21, Chanderpaul 34, Samuels 26.
Trail by 35.
Looking at a defeat, but how big we will have to wait and see.At least so far one Inning from England we go England Below 400 .
England is a Very Very hard Team on there own Home condition, I dotn see this West Indies Team beating them, but I hope they put up a better fight in th other 2 matches, they came back slightly in the 3rd Morning , If not been 15 run infront with 7 wickets in Hand, England could of gotten 450 + Runs.
Kirk edward seem to like dead pitches in Caribbean, Bangladesh and India where he made all his 100's and 50's at. but England seem to fast for him, West Indies got to rethink about him.
Barath and Bravo NEEDS to carry on they are capable of making runs, they need to stay around. Powell was a Waste in this Team, Fudani should replace him. Ramdin need to start making Runs. Sammy his 2nd Match against England in England in Test, Last time he got 8 wickets in the Match, current match he got 2. whle Young Gabriel needs to bowl more he picks up 3 wickets, and Roach was expnsion but pitch up 3 wickets, samuel got 1 and edwards got one.
I think If Rampal is fit he replace F Edwards, while Fudani to replace Powell and Deonarine to Replace K Edward for the 2nd Test. reason for k Edward he Failed 4 Times, 2 against englanf lion and now against england.
A Barath, Fudani, D Bravo, S Chanderpaul, Deonarine, Samuels, Ramdin, Sammy, Rampal, Roach and Gabreil my choice for the 2nd Test. Maybe change Samuels or Deonarine with shillingford, Depends.
Promote Chanderpaul up the Order to at least 4th.
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puddleduck
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I don't think Edwards has really looked fully fit. Doesn't seem to be getting any real pace at all.
I also don't think Gayle would really make too much difference, he's so far removed from test cricket now. Sarwan however has scored runs in England, and would definitely strengthen the batting lineup. Seems to be in form too.
West Indies have done ok in this match considering the very minor preparation, and unlike India kept plugging away when they could have let things slip away. It would be unlikely they get anything from this, but they've at least got themselves in the game if they can see through the morning tomorrow.
I also don't think Gayle would really make too much difference, he's so far removed from test cricket now. Sarwan however has scored runs in England, and would definitely strengthen the batting lineup. Seems to be in form too.
West Indies have done ok in this match considering the very minor preparation, and unlike India kept plugging away when they could have let things slip away. It would be unlikely they get anything from this, but they've at least got themselves in the game if they can see through the morning tomorrow.
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