West Indies Tour of England - May to June 2012

[jacobfelix]

Dinesh Ramdin showed this message to Viv Richards

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I am having this doubt here....Did Ramdin sit on the pitch and wrote it on reaching his hundred OR did he already have that message in his pocket OR did someone come from the dressing room & gave it to him?

 

[Aalay]

I am having this doubt here....Did Ramdin sit on the pitch and wrote it on reaching his hundred OR did he already have that message in his pocket OR did someone come from the dressing room & gave it to him?

Ramdin already had that note in his pocket. He knew he was gonna get 100. Seriously? Ramdin and 100?

Tino Best had one as well, for Flintoff but oh well!

 

[puddleduck]

Gotta say shows the class of Viv that he reacted to it so well.

 

[Aalay]

West Indies in England 2012: Ian Bell recalled to England one-day squad | Cricket News | England v West Indies | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[angryangy]

Ian Bell. England's Kevin Pietersen.

 

[Owzat]

Ridiculous decision to bring back Bell, especially as KP claimed he wanted to make way for younger players ahead of the World Cup

Pietersen born 27/06/1980
Bell born 11/04/1982

All of 21.5 months younger. This would have been an ideal time to give more youngsters a chance

 

[zimrahil]

Ridiculous decision to bring back Bell, especially as KP claimed he wanted to make way for younger players ahead of the World Cup

But to be fair, KP does not decide who he makes way for.....

 

[sifter132]

Ridiculous decision to bring back Bell, especially as KP claimed he wanted to make way for younger players ahead of the World Cup

Pietersen born 27/06/1980
Bell born 11/04/1982

All of 21.5 months younger. This would have been an ideal time to give more youngsters a chance

So what would your squad have been mate?? Bell doesn't fill me with excitement I'll agree, but as long as he's young enough to make the next World Cup then I don't really care what his age is. Carberry has knocked up a couple of list A 100s this season, but he's as old as Pietersen.

Here are the squads in full for those that want to argue the toss:

ODI squad Alastair Cook (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Graeme Swann, Jonathan Trott

T20 squad Stuart Broad (capt), Jonny Bairstow, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Craig Kieswetter, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Graeme Swann

 

[Haarithan]

Wow I'll never understand how Bopara makes the cut for the T20 squad and not Owais Shah. Does that have to do with his precious bowling abilities?

 

[jacobfelix]

So, Ramdin apologizes to Viv and he has been fined 20% of his match fees.

 

[Sureshot]

I'd have gone for Taylor and it's an odd recall (has he even played a OD game since he was dropped?), he's a class player, but not sure on this one. He'll never fill the KP role, I suppose that's his biggest issue, something out of his control.

 

[swacker]

I think Morgan still has a shout of a recall if he does well in the one-dayers. Sadly Bairstow didn't grasp his chance - and it was a really good chance as well. Maybe it'll be a case of who hots form in the one-day team between Bopara, Bairstow and Morgan.

Any thoughts on the 3rd best seamer for the SA series? I think I'd still prefer Finn, expect Bresnan, but was also really impressed with Onions.

 

[Sureshot]

I think any of them will do a good job, I'd go Finn, but you know Bresnan will be Mr Consistent, he always is.

 

[Owzat]

So what would your squad have been mate?? Bell doesn't fill me with excitement I'll agree, but as long as he's young enough to make the next World Cup then I don't really care what his age is. Carberry has knocked up a couple of list A 100s this season, but he's as old as Pietersen.

I don't really care who they bring in, someone with potential who is under 25, ideally under 21, anyone but Bell. Try Davies as a batsman, gives you the chance to see what he can do and maybe displace Kieswetter whom I'm not overly set on or convinced by

There's ZERO sense replacing someone old with someone nearly as old, especially given what KP said as I said. Bell has hardly set the world alight in ODIs, had a stinker of a winter (51 runs in UAE, 83 in Sri Lanka) and no matter what whoever it was said about him having the potential, you can't keep reverting to Bell for Bell to do nothing.

He's the epitomy of what England don't need and fans don't want, slow scoring nothings. In his last 13 series he's averaged 35+ only twice, his career average is continually dipping and he offers not a lot to a side looking to win a World Cup.

Bell (ODIs)

3234 runs @ 34.04 (SR 73.32)

1-18 : 556 runs @ 39.71
19-36 : 616 runs @ 36.24
37-54 : 718 runs @ 42.24
55-72 : 423 runs @ 24.88
73-90 : 463 runs @ 30.87
91-108 : 448 runs @ 28.00

So Bell has gone from 1854 runs @ 39.45 in his first 53 ODIs to 1370 runs @ 27.96 in his last 55 ODIs. He has only one ODI hundred despite playing the likes of Ireland, Scotland, Holland, West Indies, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in 20 ODIs, although he does average 40.53 against them (7x 50s)

Pick who you like to replace him, any batsman who averages under 30 over a period of 50+ ODIs should not be playing for England. If he wasn't a fixture in the Test side he would be dropped like any other batsman who averaged that poorly.

 

[sifter132]

^I agree with most of that re: Bell So your answer is Davies to open with Cook? Or are you just proposing trying any kid with promise under 25/21 until you strike gold? That's the Aussie approach of late eg. Steve Smith, Phil Hughes, Usmna Khawaja, Dave Warner, Pat Cummins, James Pattinson etc. I guess it's worked, but I'm not really a fan of it, especially with batsmen.