End Game White House Mafia - El Loco & The Deadman win

[asprin]

Well, that's embarrassing - two VTs going against each other. It's a double blow but we still hold the advantage. Go for it townies.

One thing I didn't understand is how I was evicted inspite of having used bulletproof. As far I can tell from the setup, there was only 1 shot that could be made by the mafia (Robert Mueller) and the bulletproof should have saved me. That or my understanding of bulletproof is totally wrong.

Oh the investigation also counts as a shot.

 

[Villain]

I can't post more than this bc I'm in college. I'm John Kelly. And Simon and El Loco are team A mafia.

I'm ready to believe it but how do you know they're team A mafia not B?[DOUBLEPOST=1502947488][/DOUBLEPOST]I advice people to not lynch before everything is cleared otherwise it's pretty much game over.

 

[Villain]

El Loco, Simon, PresidentEvil and AliB - 3 out of these 4 are mafias.[DOUBLEPOST=1502947815][/DOUBLEPOST]Swacker is leaning town after he Unlynched Asprin, Simon has just been clearing people and started the bandwagon against Surendar. Asp just lynched Sur just to save himself. Rudolph and I have already claimed.

 

[Villain]

Well, that's embarrassing - two VTs going against each other. It's a double blow but we still hold the advantage. Go for it townies.

One thing I didn't understand is how I was evicted inspite of having used bulletproof. As far I can tell from the setup, there was only 1 shot that could be made by the mafia (Robert Mueller) and the bulletproof should have saved me. That or my understanding of bulletproof is totally wrong.

Oh the investigation also counts as a shot.

Only if you weren't selfish to lynch Surendar.

 

[Villain]

Conclusion: Mafia has already lost the kill ability after Mueller's death. 2 townies: Villain and Rudolph are safe from President's investigation. Safe for the President to come out and post results?

 

[Fake Passport]

Regarding the write-up. Don't read too much into them and instead rely on the setup (post 1, click through to the scum wiki).

Only thing we've added is the lynch veto that the president holds.

To remove doubt. The 'dodgeing a bullet' was the town's second bulletproof kill. Ergo town have used both now and mafia kills will go through.

The other bit Simon raised was simply game writeup, it's the scum team talking to each other about their factional kill, nothing more.

@Simon (who raised the point)
@CerealKiller

 

[SiriusBlack]

Swacker is leaning town after he Unlynched Asprin

Are you seriously buying into that? He got cold feet. If he was mafia he'd know exactly what he was doing when he placed the lynch after surendar. "my lynch probably won't matter" is the worst possible excuse in a game where lynches are based on plurality rather than majority.

Simon has just been clearing people and started the bandwagon against Surendar

"Just been clearing people". Oh yes. Screw me for trying to narrow down on mafia based on activity amiright? And it's barely a bandwagon if one person counterlynches to save himself. No one else went after surendar. I gave my reasons for suspecting surendar (and I turned out to be wrong) and anyone can disagree. The game isn't split into people who agree with you and mafia. There's plenty of grey area in there which you're refusing to acknowledge.

Conclusion: Mafia has already lost the kill ability after Mueller's death.

Mueller is still in the game. Ryan was kicked out.

@AliB, do you want to counter-claim John Kelly?

 

[SiriusBlack]

To remove doubt. The 'dodgeing a bullet' was the town's second bulletproof kill. Ergo town have used both now and mafia kills will go through.

Ok wait, so both mafia factions have NK roles?[DOUBLEPOST=1502950781][/DOUBLEPOST]Otherwise, how can asprin be fired if someone else dodged a bullet? A little self-contradictory, given the setup?

 

[asprin]

Only if you weren't selfish to lynch Surendar.

I'm sorry for the second post but I find this to be absolute rubbish. What do you mean by selfish? Should I have just let myself get lynched? Why isn't surendar to be blamed then for voting against me?

 

[Villain]

Are you seriously buying into that? He got cold feet. If he was mafia he'd know exactly what he was doing when he placed the lynch after surendar. "my lynch probably won't matter" is the worst possible excuse in a game where lynches are based on plurality rather than majority.



"Just been clearing people". Oh yes. Screw me for trying to narrow down on mafia based on activity amiright? And it's barely a bandwagon if one person counterlynches to save himself. No one else went after surendar. I gave my reasons for suspecting surendar (and I turned out to be wrong) and anyone can disagree. The game isn't split into people who agree with you and mafia. There's plenty of grey area in there which you're refusing to acknowledge.



Mueller is still in the game. Ryan was kicked out.

@AliB, do you want to counter-claim John Kelly?

Yeah my bad, Mueller is still alive.

Still don't really find your reasoning for targeting Surendar unless of course you had some knowledge from the night. I'm not entirely convinced in regards to Swacker but honestly he could easily ignored Asprin's post given how less time was left plus two of us Surendar and me had a lynch on Asp so nobody wouldn't have picked Swacker for it.

Loco has never really sounded town and what you did was first backed Asprin who turned town and now Loco(reply to PE), which means he could be town and that was again at attempt at clearing yourself. You also sound like you got too much information on your hands.

Now you're asking AliB if he's Kelly which makes you what? President?[DOUBLEPOST=1502951744][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm sorry for the second post but I find this to be absolute rubbish. What do you mean by selfish? Should I have just let myself get lynched? Why isn't surendar to be blamed then for voting against me?

What if he was the President? It was outright selfish just to save yourself and you went ahead to claim when the day was basically ending.

 

[Villain]

Lynch: Simon

Asking people to claim the last spot which is Kelly, indirectly saying he's the President. Nobody is that dumb to do that.

 

[Fake Passport]

Ok wait, so both mafia factions have NK roles?[DOUBLEPOST=1502950781][/DOUBLEPOST]Otherwise, how can asprin be fired if someone else dodged a bullet? A little self-contradictory, given the setup?

Both mafia teams have a kill per the setup.
As night 1 was a mafia kill and a town kill it left town with 1 bulletproof night 2.

As there were 2 kill orders it was randomised to determine which one was given the bulletproof.

 

[SiriusBlack]

Both mafia teams have a kill per the setup.
As night 1 was a mafia kill and a town kill it left town with 1 bulletproof night 2.

As there were 2 kill orders it was randomised to determine which one was given the bulletproof.

I thought Ryan had the power to take a townie on his side instead of outright firing? And I thought the ability went away with him?

 

[Villain]

Lynch: Simon

Asking people to claim the last spot which is Kelly, indirectly saying he's the President. Nobody is that dumb to do that.

Unlynch

To avoid flash lynches and will wait for an answer.

 

[asprin]

What if he was the President? It was outright selfish just to save yourself and you went ahead to claim when the day was basically ending.

I'll get to this later. Don't want to disrupt the flow here.

Both mafia teams have a kill per the setup.

But per the setup, Secret Service Agent 2 and Mike Pence seem to have investigative roles and only Mueller appears to have NK ability. Am I missing something here?