10 greatest All- Rounders of all time Relive:Sobers marvel(Sir Gary Sobers: 254 against Australia)

[King Cricket]

^ Yup. That's ridiculous.

 

[Aditya]

Welcome back King Cricket!

Except Pollock you have a formidable Plus Selection . It seems you have done your homework and Research very well.

I would have loved to give you a A + . But because of the Pollock Factor you get A.

Still good enough if not the best Selection.

Here? my take on Pollock.

True Shaun Pollock has taken 400 + wickets in his test career and is an exceptional bowler statwise.

But one can be truly accepted exceptional when one performs well against top or best opposition.

Let's see Pollock's Performance against Australia.

Bowling

Pollock: 13 matches : (40 wickets, avg: 36.85, 5w : 1, 10w: 0)

Number of wickets is not that bad, But it is the average 36.85 and only 5w:1 ie a matter of concern for a top bowler of his class against a Quality opposition.

Batting

Pollock: 13 matches Runs 517, Avg: 28.72, HS : 67*, Century 0, Fifties 2).

Average does not even touch 30 and only two fifties. Highest score of 67*
also does not seems too impressive.

Pollock has a phenomenal record of taking 421 test wickets in 108 matches at an incredible average of 23.12 which is truly a great achievement.

But can you believe that a top ranking bowler of Shaun Pollock's caliber has never taken 10 or more wickets in a test in his entire test career. That is so strange.

My point is that there are all-rounders like flintoff and a few others who has better credentials overall(Batting + Bowling combined) than Pollock and deserve to be placed amongst the Greatest All- Rounder of all time.

Having said that I am not denying the fact that Pollock is an exceptionally good bowler. It is universally accepted.

I am sure If you do some additional research of Greatest All-Rounders of the world you should be able to come up with a better candidate not that I don?t like Pollock.

I believe in Survival of the best in this sort of assessment.Only the best deserves a place.

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

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robin2855 added 15 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...



Wow! At the outset I was a bit frightened to the extent I thought it might be AnnoyiingDevil in disguise (Just kidding!).

A very bold and unconventional selection - Bhajji, Zaheer and Sanath (Sanath would have been a strong canditate if this assessment was based on one day but unfortunately it is only based on test cricket performance)

So my next question mate is why do you consider Bhajji, Zaheer and Sanath in your selection.You might have a surprise packet for all of us.Unleash that.

We certainly would like to hear from you.

I have my fingers crossed.

Good Luck and Cheers!

Good question mate why i choose harbhajan zaheer and sanath first harbhajan see he is a jenuan lower order batsmen he can hit some powerful shots at lower order which are unbelievable perhaps he should come little bit up but he does'nt so he has potential his highest score at test level is 63 next come zaheer if you see him in test he hits many sixes in an innings see when australia come to india harbhajan and zaheer maked a 80 90 partenersip in that zaheer scored 58* so he is also a good allrounder and sanath you said why sanath in test squad see he has i think 16 above centuries in test and has 200 more wickets he is having name breakthrougher he has a great bowling technique so he balls great in tests rather then one days or twenty so they three are good allrounder hope i have defend myself

 

[Aditya]

What I know every one is entitled to their opinion but Harjbhajan and Zaheer are allrounder and you have put them higher than Imran Khan. I don't even consider Wasim a genuine all rounder who is miles better than the blokes you mentioned.

Sorry mate i have not put them according to their batting and bowling i have just telled my list sorry i think we can put any body wasim akram has maked 250 in test which sachin also has not maked now what you say

 

[robin2855]

Are Zaheer, Bhajji, Sanath All -Rounders at Test Level?

Good question mate why i choose harbhajan zaheer and sanath first harbhajan see he is a jenuan lower order batsmen he can hit some powerful shots at lower order which are unbelievable perhaps he should come little bit up but he does'nt so he has potential his highest score at test level is 63 next come zaheer if you see him in test he hits many sixes in an innings see when australia come to india harbhajan and zaheer maked a 80 90 partenersip in that zaheer scored 58* so he is also a good allrounder and sanath you said why sanath in test squad see he has i think 16 above centuries in test and has 200 more wickets he is having name breakthrougher he has a great bowling technique so he balls great in tests rather then one days or twenty so they three are good allrounder hope i have defend myself

Welcome back Adityacricketer!

I am happy you have come up with your reasoning of choosing Bhajji, Zaheer and Sanath in your 10 Greatest Eleven.

let?s take a look at Wikipedia?s definition of an All-Rounder again.

An all-rounder is a cricket player who regularly performs well at both batting and bowling. Although all bowlers must bat and most batsmen do bowl occasionally, most players are skilled in only one of the two disciplines and are considered specialists. Some wicket-keepers have the skills of a specialist batsman and have been referred to as all-rounders, but the term wicketkeeper-batsman is more commonly applied to them.

An All ? Rounder can be a great by his team standard, Asian standard , world standard.

Here we are comparing a World class all rounder of a team with World class All -Rounders of other teams.

Let?s look at All-round performance of two world class all-rounders India can boast of : Kapil Dev and Vinoo Mankad

Kapil Dev

Bowling 131 matches : (434 wickets, avg: 29.64, 5w : 23, 10w: 0)

Batting 131 matches Runs 5248, Avg: 31.05, HS : 163, Century 8, Fifties 27)

Vinoo Mankad

Bowling 44 matches : (162, avg: 32.32, 5w : 8, 10w: 02)

Batting 44 matches: (Runs 2109, Avg: 31.47, HS : 231, Century 5, Fifties 6)

Test career Records of Bhajji, Zaheeer and Sanath

Now Compare that with Bhajji and Zaheer Khan

Bhajji

Bowling 77 matches : (330, avg: 30.42, 5w : 23, 10w: 0)

Batting 77 matchesRuns 1470, Avg: 17.01, HS : 66, Century 0, Fifties 7)

Zaheer khan

Bowling 65 matches : (330, avg: 30.42, 5w : 7, 10w: 0)

Batting 65 matches883 Runs 1470, Avg: 13.79, HS : 75, Century 0, Fifties 3)

and

Sanath Jayasurya


Bowling 110 matches 98, avg: 34.34, 5w : 2, 10w: 0)

Batting 110 matches6973 Runs Avg: 40.07, HS : 340, Century 14, Fifties 31)


Both Bhajji and Zaheer Khan have impressive bowling record . But when it comes to batting neither of them have even an average of 20.

Zaheer Khan?s number of fifties in 65 matches ie 3 does not help his cause either though Bhajjis 7 fifties in 77 matches does not look that bad.

Even by Indian Team standard neither Zaheer and Bajji can be termed as a an All?Rounder as their records testify . Occasional Good scores in batting does not qualify a cricketer to be an all-rounder. Typically they have to have at least a Batting average of 30+ to be considered as an All-rounder. Also they require as sizable number of fifties (It is good to see Bhajji is doing pretty well in this aspect -7 fifties is pretty good).

Sanath on the other hand is a terrific batsman with a good batting record.

But 98 wickets only in 110 test matches does not qualify him as an all-rounder.

In comparison look at the genuine All-round models we have in the form of Kapil Dev and Vinoo Mankad.

Batting or Bowling their records testify that they are genuine all-rounders and deserve to be placed amongst the greatest .

I hope you now have a better idea of All-rounders with real examples I have given and hopefully with some researching you will be able to come up with more appropriate Choices.

Good Luck and Cheers!

 

[Gunner786]

now with razzaq on his way back if he plays for aslong as he ca he can be up there with the best stats wise,
especially in the odi format

 

[Aditya]

Welcome back Adityacricketer!

I am happy you have come up with your reasoning of choosing Bhajji, Zaheer and Sanath in your 10 Greatest Eleven.

let?s take a look at Wikipedia?s definition of an All-Rounder again.

An all-rounder is a cricket player who regularly performs well at both batting and bowling. Although all bowlers must bat and most batsmen do bowl occasionally, most players are skilled in only one of the two disciplines and are considered specialists. Some wicket-keepers have the skills of a specialist batsman and have been referred to as all-rounders, but the term wicketkeeper-batsman is more commonly applied to them.

An All ? Rounder can be a great by his team standard, Asian standard , world standard.

Here we are comparing a World class all rounder of a team with World class All -Rounders of other teams.

Let?s look at All-round performance of two world class all-rounders India can boast of : Kapil Dev and Vinoo Mankad

Kapil Dev

Bowling 131 matches : (434 wickets, avg: 29.64, 5w : 23, 10w: 0)

Batting 131 matches Runs 5248, Avg: 31.05, HS : 163, Century 8, Fifties 27)

Vinoo Mankad

Bowling 44 matches : (162, avg: 32.32, 5w : 8, 10w: 02)

Batting 44 matches: (Runs 2109, Avg: 31.47, HS : 231, Century 5, Fifties 6)

Test career Records of Bhajji, Zaheeer and Sanath

Now Compare that with Bhajji and Zaheer Khan

Bhajji

Bowling 77 matches : (330, avg: 30.42, 5w : 23, 10w: 0)

Batting 77 matchesRuns 1470, Avg: 17.01, HS : 66, Century 0, Fifties 7)

Zaheer khan

Bowling 65 matches : (330, avg: 30.42, 5w : 7, 10w: 0)

Batting 65 matches883 Runs 1470, Avg: 13.79, HS : 75, Century 0, Fifties 3)

and

Sanath Jayasurya


Bowling 110 matches 98, avg: 34.34, 5w : 2, 10w: 0)

Batting 110 matches6973 Runs Avg: 40.07, HS : 340, Century 14, Fifties 31)


Both Bhajji and Zaheer Khan have impressive bowling record . But when it comes to batting neither of them have even an average of 20.

Zaheer Khan?s number of fifties in 65 matches ie 3 does not help his cause either though Bhajjis 7 fifties in 77 matches does not look that bad.

Even by Indian Team standard neither Zaheer and Bajji can be termed as a an All?Rounder as their records testify . Occasional Good scores in batting does not qualify a cricketer to be an all-rounder. Typically they have to have at least a Batting average of 30+ to be considered as an All-rounder. Also they require as sizable number of fifties (It is good to see Bhajji is doing pretty well in this aspect -7 fifties is pretty good).

Sanath on the other hand is a terrific batsman with a good batting record.

But 98 wickets only in 110 test matches does not qualify him as an all-rounder.

In comparison look at the genuine All-round models we have in the form of Kapil Dev and Vinoo Mankad.

Batting or Bowling their records testify that they are genuine all-rounders and deserve to be placed amongst the greatest .

I hope you now have a better idea of All-rounders with real examples I have given and hopefully with some researching you will be able to come up with more appropriate Choices.

Good Luck and Cheers!

Yaa you are right but as you can see zaheer and harbhajan never cup up the order they come really late own mean slike 8 or 9 at that down if any body can make 20 means he can bat as you seen in sydney when sachin maked century and harbhajan comed and maked 66 you can see that inning not a single shot he played with a luck or other he played a jenuan innings and helped sachin tendulkar to make a century it was a great innings by me by harbhajan same as khan he playes many knocks at lower order which are hard to play hope a good answer

 

[Shoaib87]

1.Imran Khan
2.Keith Miller
3.Garry Sobers
4.Ian Botham
5.Shaun Pollock
6.Jacques Kallis
7.Kapil Dev
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Wasim Akram
10.Alan Davidson

 

[Burnsy1]

personal top 10 would be:

1. Sir Ian Botham
2. Sir Garfield Sobers
3. Andrew Flintoff
4. Sir Richard Hadlee
5. Kapil Dev
6. W.G. Grace
7. Imran Khan
8. Jacques Kallis
9. Frank Woolley
10. Shane Warne, Malcolm Marshall, Darren Gough

I know my 10's aren't exactly all-rounder but I thought I'd use players who when called upon produce amazing innings with the bat while being wonderfull bowlers.

 

[robin2855]

Welcome Shoaib87!

1.Imran Khan
2.Keith Miller
3.Garry Sobers
4.Ian Botham
5.Shaun Pollock
6.Jacques Kallis
7.Kapil Dev
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Wasim Akram
10.Alan Davidson

Welcome Shoaib87! Barring Shaun Pollock You have a great Selection.

Good job mate!

Cheers!

robin2855 added 9 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

personal top 10 would be:

1. Sir Ian Botham
2. Sir Garfield Sobers
3. Andrew Flintoff
4. Sir Richard Hadlee
5. Kapil Dev
6. W.G. Grace
7. Imran Khan
8. Jacques Kallis
9. Frank Woolley
10. Shane Warne, Malcolm Marshall, Darren Gough

I know my 10's aren't exactly all-rounder but I thought I'd use players who when called upon produce amazing innings with the bat while being wonderfull bowlers.

Welcome Burnsy1! Barring #10 you have indeed a great selection.

You have to conform to All-rounder definition. This is a survival of the fittest -exclusively meant for All-Rounders. No room for Ifs, Buts or Perhaps.

You have done all the hard work, research. Do a little more research I am sure you willl find an appropriate All-Rounder of your choice who would fit in # 10.

I want you to finish strongly and in style. So go for it. You can do it!

Cheers!

 

[Shoaib87]

Welcome Shoaib87! Barring Shaun Pollock You have a great Selection.

Good job mate!

Cheers!

I can understand that most people do not rate Pollock as highly as I do but thats because I love bowling allrounders more than batting batting allrounders.

 

[Burnsy1]

A rethink of 10 has my final outcome as:

1. Sir Ian Botham
2. Sir Garfield Sobers
3. Andrew Flintoff
4. Sir Richard Hadlee
5. Kapil Dev
6. W.G. Grace
7. Imran Khan
8. Jacques Kallis
9. Frank Woolley
10. Clive Rice

 

[Brookie]

Why not include

Wally Hammond
Mike Procter

 

[Robborocksdad]

Just stumbled on this thread, so please excuse my lack of research! I have an alternative take on this one. Which players would have made a decent test side as both a front line bowler, and a top order batsman?
Hirst and Rhodes both did, Sobers got into the W.I. side first as a bowler, Faulkener did for S.A. Imran as a batsman and captain comes in late in his career, and Kallis was a first change bowler in his early days. Botham started as a bowler who batted, and Miller as a batman who bowled ocassionally. Can't come up with any more, apart from Grace perhaps, so they have to be my top 8. One curiosity to add on that basis is Gubby Allen, regarded as an all-rounder domestically, who Jardine took on the 1932-3 tour as a potential opening partner for Sutcliffe. Larwood, after he got injured on that tour, played a season for Notts as a speciallist batsman. Hope this all adds a new side to the debate.

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Nice post Adityacricketer! Had forgotten Mankad. Sorry