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Ballers I think your confused.

I was asking TumTum to "respond to ballers arguments in a logical and systematic manner."

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Either I am or you are.
 
Read this right here all of it throughly, and if you want to respond to it, please respond to most of the points rather than just one point.

I understand that but see I just said it before and people avoid it over and over again, how can you delegate that Bradman was the greatest when you personally have never seen his game. The problem is that your getting all your info from other people's perception on the Don not your own perception on him. I am not saying he is NOT the greatest, I am saying that you cannot say he is the greatest because everyone here does not know how good he truly was. If he played in today's society like I said before he would not be as big of a player in my eyes. I know that is a big statement but that's my personal opinion on that matter and unless you have an ability to show what would happen if the Don played in today's society and he average nearly 100, you won't change that view on me.

Okay, now yes because of him there are only allowed two players behind the square on the leg side. However, cricketers today are probably influenced by Bradman in a way but the style that cricketers play today in my perspective is almost identical to Tendulkar's ways. Cricketers are trying to imitate him because he has been so successful as a cricketer. And also, I think he has become that Perfect Image, I mean he is in my eyes the greatest cricketer off the field. A respectful character who is thought about as a great personality in a place where is so hated like in....Pakistan (the team I follow).

To say that Sobers is the ONLY player to get close to his level in class and awe is a difficult statement to make. Now first off, you must explain the context of the word class, because if your saying on a techinical cricket standpoint. Sobers was more talented as a tests batsmen I would agree to that but, Tendulkar has everything as a batsmen. This is also confusing, because if you say that Sobers is the only player to get close to Bradman's class and awe then you must take back what Benaud said about Bradman.

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Originally Posted by stereotype
Someone who rates Sachin as number 2 to the Don
If Sachin is rated 2nd to Bradman in Benaud's eyes then that means that Tendulkar should at least have more class and awe than Sobers in Benaud's eyes. If you were to say no to that statement than you are clearly contridicting yourself, either you take Benaud's opinion to the fullest or you don't take his opinion at all. Now your trying to prove Bradman has had a larger impact so I guess you need to keep his opinion because he has seen him play.

Now back to who has a greater impact, Tendulkar is definitely the largest impact player in Southern East Asia. You also, have to think about something Bradman like I said has only played in England and Australia. He may be the largest impact player in England and Australia. However, Bradman is not the largest impact player in the rest of the world because he never got the opportunity to show his abilities to the rest of the world. How can you say that a player has affected the WORLD of cricket if they never saw him play. What I am trying to say is that if West Indies never got the opportunity to see Bradman bat then how can their batting be similar to his. They never got the chance to imitate how Bradman bats and develop those skills that he had.


But again what you fail at time and time again is that there is more to just what you do on the field. Bradman changed the entire culture of Australia during the Depression years, as much as Sachin has an amazing amount of fans and that he is loved by the vast majority of sub continental supporters of cricket he hasn't made THAT impact.

Bradman also ended up being a selector, he also got a role as an administrator in his time and was captain of arguably the best test team of all time and he had a big say on things like technology and ODI cricket, he was ahead of his time in his thoughts on the game of cricket.

Tendulkar may be a great role model off the field but so are many greats of the game including Bradman. Bradman and his professionalism were well ahead of his time. Even back in the 50's he considered quicker scorers as better for the game. In Australia just people would come to watch Bradman bat and leave when (if) he got out. Captaincy is something Sachin never fully mastered I am sure if we did his name would live on even longer.

As much respect I have for Sachin Tendulkar and his greatness, his ability to cope with pressure etc I think it is laughable that someone could suggest he has had a bigger impact on the game of cricket as Bradman. And even more laughable and almost disrespectful to suggest he has done this already in his what? 20 years considering Bradman and his 70+ years for his incomparable performances at test level, probably did MORE off the field for the game than on it.

Oh and to let you know Bradman actually played series against South Africa, India and West Indies and not just England, who were by far the best team in the world at that stage. Seeing as Bradman averaged a mere 178 v India you are probably lucky he didn't play them more often otherwise his career average would have been way over 100.

So not including Australia and England, we have South Africa and West Indies plus dominating two of the strongest FC competitions the game has had to offer in CC and what is now the Sheffield Shield.

On top of that there is a good chance that Bradman actually scored at a better strike rate even back then to what Sachin does now in Test cricket. Scoring 309* in a day, scoring runs at better than a run a minute in some cases which is probably equal to a 150 strike rate.
 
But again what you fail at time and time again is that there is more to just what you do on the field. Bradman changed the entire culture of Australia during the Depression years, as much as Sachin has an amazing amount of fans and that he is loved by the vast majority of sub continental supporters of cricket he hasn't made THAT impact.

Bradman also ended up being a selector, he also got a role as an administrator in his time and was captain of arguably the best test team of all time and he had a big say on things like technology and ODI cricket, he was ahead of his time in his thoughts on the game of cricket.

Tendulkar may be a great role model off the field but so are many greats of the game including Bradman. Bradman and his professionalism were well ahead of his time. Even back in the 50's he considered quicker scorers as better for the game. In Australia just people would come to watch Bradman bat and leave when (if) he got out. Captaincy is something Sachin never fully mastered I am sure if we did his name would live on even longer.

As much respect I have for Sachin Tendulkar and his greatness, his ability to cope with pressure etc I think it is laughable that someone could suggest he has had a bigger impact on the game of cricket as Bradman. And even more laughable and almost disrespectful to suggest he has done this already in his what? 20 years considering Bradman and his 70+ years for his incomparable performances at test level, probably did MORE off the field for the game than on it.

Oh and to let you know Bradman actually played series against South Africa, India and West Indies and not just England, who were by far the best team in the world at that stage. Seeing as Bradman averaged a mere 178 v India you are probably lucky he didn't play them more often otherwise his career average would have been way over 100.

So not including Australia and England, we have South Africa and West Indies plus dominating two of the strongest FC competitions the game has had to offer in CC and what is now the Sheffield Shield.

On top of that there is a good chance that Bradman actually scored at a better strike rate even back then to what Sachin does now in Test cricket. Scoring 309* in a day, scoring runs at better than a run a minute in some cases which is probably equal to a 150 strike rate.

First off, the teams he faced in the West Indies, South Africa, and India were no where near the quality bowling of some of them in the later years. Also, you forget the fact that he still faced them in Australia so the fact remains that he never played outside of Australia and England.

Now you said that Bradman changed the culture during the Depression years, there are many factors why he changed the culture such as the fact that people needed someone like Bradman. Also, Tendulkar has definitely changed the culture for the sub continent in many people's eyes. He is seen as a god in India, so much that out of two people in the whole nation he is one who owns a Ferrari. Cricinfo said this "...Tendulkar remains, by a distance, the most worshipped cricketer in the world." The most worshiped player in the world must have changed the culture of India somewhat if I am not mistaken.

Also, what does him scoring at a better rate then Tendulkar have to do with the impact both of them have made on cricket. It is actually funny how you don't understand how big Tendulkar is a cricketer in India or in the Sub Continent. I agree Bradman has made an impact off the field but Tendulkar will make a bigger impact off the field especially with the records that he holds currently. His name will go on and on even after he passes undoubtedly.
 
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Dude it doesn't matter who allegedly made a bigger impact or not. You cannot judge cricketers that way.

If Australia had a population of over 1 billion in 1930s, he would have been "worshiped" just as much :facepalm
 
Dude it doesn't matter who allegedly made a bigger impact or not. You cannot judge cricketers that way.

If Australia had a population of over 1 billion in 1930s, he would have been "worshiped" just as much :facepalm

So your telling me that he is considered a god? And he owned one of the two Ferrari's?
 
First off, the teams he faced in the West Indies, South Africa, and India were no where near the quality bowling of some of them in the later years. Also, you forget the fact that he still faced them in Australia so the fact remains that he never played outside of Australia and England.

Now you said that Bradman changed the culture during the Depression years, there are many factors why he changed the culture such as the fact that people needed someone like Bradman. Also, Tendulkar has definitely changed the culture for the sub continent in many people's eyes. He is seen as a god in India, so much that out of two people in the whole nation he is one who owns a Ferrari. Cricinfo said this "...Tendulkar remains, by a distance, the most worshipped cricketer in the world." The most worshiped player in the world must have changed the culture of India somewhat if I am not mistaken.

Also, what does him scoring at a better rate then Tendulkar have to do with the impact both of them have made on cricket. It is actually funny how you don't understand how big Tendulkar is a cricketer in India or in the Sub Continent. I agree Bradman has made an impact off the field but Tendulkar will make a bigger impact off the field especially with the records that he holds currently. His name will go on and on even after he passes undoubtedly.

Yes but there isn't one person who has watched both play that would suggest Bradman was a lesser batsman.

What records does Tendulkar hold off the field? please tell me because it seems to me that his records are done on the cricket field.

Again Bradman was a cricket administrator and selector so they are two off field roles.

And Bradman did only play in two countries but yet his name is known in every cricketing nation and some non cricketing nations, he is regarded statistically as the greatest sportsman of all time let alone in his playing career. Is Sachin rated over guys like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer? Maybe in India but I doubt he is rated that highly elsewhere Bradman had such an impact that his name transcended sport itself.



In a hypothetical 102 years time when there are 25 test nations and many more minnows will Sachin still be known by countries that never witnessed him?
 
One more off-topic post, and I'll infract the member immediately. For God's sake, this is not a thread where you should be comparing Sachin with Bradman and Ponting!!! This is a thread where you should be discussing whether Sachin can reach hundred centuries or not! :facepalm
 
As much as I would love to continue posting about this whole Bradman Vs Tendulkar I think I might get banned lol so /discussion btw TumTum you said that no one outside the Sub Continent even knows Tendulkar well cricket fans are outside the sub continent if I am not mistaken. Alright now /discussion
 

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