Ashes to Ashes Mafia - Endgame (SK win)
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thedon5
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Eh well half of us clearly decided to lynch, I guess based on that fact that it would be silly to be happy to just sit back and go for another no lynch and let the day end early. Going after people can not only get a member of the Mafia lynched off, but it can also shed light on people which is very important at this early stage. As for an alternative to lynching people whilst also not letting the day end early, I don't remember you suggesting one.
In the end RPHKR being inactive screwed it up, had he replied a few hours after he had three lynched on him, maybe we would've gotten something out of him. In the end we wasted over 48 hours waiting for him and now the day is almost over.
Right now I have no read on Abhas. I was more going on RPHKR's rather odd gameplay and his last few posts which reeked of Mafia, I had the same hunch in the last game and he ended up being Mafia so that's why I decided to pursue it. At this stage Abhas is hard to judge.
thedon5
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Good to see someone else really analysing others posts, finally some decent activity.
I see pallu is back to thanking random posts
.I don't see how that is what the entire game has hinged on? In the end if the Mafia performed the kill and there was no unsuccessful kill, and there is in fact no other killer, how does it change things? We have a very foggy perception of the town roles and so there is still a good chance there is a doctor/jailkeeper and even if there isn't, it would barely change things. I was quite sure that it was a single person that performed the kill as I interpreted the line with "He was the only man left in the bar" as that man being the one who performed the kill.
In any case, I was not the only one to come up with this serial killer theory, it is very much plausible. Every game I have played in has had a serial killer I'm pretty sure, so that makes it likely. I didn't purely state it as gospel and then start running with it, I had a very strong hunch that there was a serial killer, and then the others seemed to agree so that's what we've been running with.
I suggested a vigilante as I had a quick flick through the roles on MafiaScum to see if there were any other possible killers who weren't Mafia. That was one I found so I mentioned it. I have no idea on how a vigilante works and the strategy behind a good vigilante as I have never been in a game with it before. So I just put it out there in case someone more experienced wanted to flesh that out instead.
Hahahahahaha I knew someone would bring this back up, fair enough. Yep, that was exactly what I was trying to do. At that time the game didn't seem that slow, it just seemed as if people weren't keen to go for a lynch. There were a few users active in between those two posts so I tried to test them, but they seemingly passed the test. I was also looking for someone else who would accuse me of wanting to lynch off WC early but unfortunately no-one thought the same as me about that.
I have sort of changed my mind on the WC matter. I have always held the opinion that if someone isn't contributing, they are either Mafia or useless. Think to yourself, even if WC has a power role, is he going to use it properly, or if he's a cop, will he report his results? I don't think he will for anything. Plus there's a good chance he is actually intentionally acting that way now and with an experienced partner telling him what to post.
Hence I have been floating between not lynching him as it would be a bad idea numbers wise, and lynching him. I decided lynching him is the better way to go. He is getting unnecessary attention, when the more inactive members are coming on they seem to be mentioning WC and how unsure they are about him. That is a good post for a Mafioso to make who is making it seem as if he is posting and analysing other players, while he is actually staying under the radar. Also when we are on the path of lynching someone else and then someone mentions something like "maybe we should lynch WC" it clearly gets us off track to some extent.
Plus you also add in the fact that there is a good chance he's Mafia with an experienced partner. Seems a good idea to me now.
Is this you or me? Can't tell because of the rgb thing
. I never say GF, so I'll assume it's you? Yeah that is the only way we can confirm it, but there is a strong suggestion from the write-up that there was an unsuccessful kill and based on the text surrounding the kill I chose to believe that the Mafia were the ones who had the unsuccessful kill.That is not true. I believe I said it's a myth that you HAVE to use previous gameplay to lynch someone off, since that is what I believe many other people say. I remember Colin saying that a lot. That is absolutely not true, you can get a read on someone without knowing at all how they play. Like we've all done with guys like swirler and CG.
In any case, I've only played about three games before this and rarely have I played with the same players other than maybe you and a few others like RPHKR. So my opinion on such a thing can easily change once I indeed find out how someone plays, which I seem to have done. Hence why for example I knew you being drunk was normal and tried to take the spotlight off of you because of that, as some people saw it as an odd post.
But it is not the basis for my reads on people like it is for other people. Even my lynch on RPHKR, no-one can deny that his play wasn't odd during the entire game. Not sure why you quoted my thing on ste, that was simply because someone asked why ste didn't seem like a newbie.
Covered earlier. At this point his nothing posts were beginning to piss me off.
I don't see why? That is a clear Mafia strategy, to try and get the guy who instigated the lynch on you back onside. I was expecting that reply from him so when I got it I was sure he was the guy I wanted to go after it, was poor gameplay IMO. I'm not sure why you don't follow.
Covered earlier. This is when I was quite sure that I wanted to go after RPHKR and when I thought that there was a good chance he was Mafia after his poor defence. I wanted him to make another defence post now that he had more lynches on him. Then someone came out and suggested "Let's lynch WC!" I believe, may've been you. As I said he is unnecessarily taking the spotlight off other people which is why I want to lynch him now. In this case it sort of took the pressure off RPHKR and let him slide a bit more.
Bahahahahahahahaha
. Yeah I was if possible just trying to get someone to protect me or something since there looked to be a possible doctor/jailkeeper. Often the guy who posts he most is a big target. Admittedly being slightly selfish, but hey, I was the one commandeering most of the moves so it's fair enough.Hopefully this little convo will no longer make me the least suspcious though!
Hey fair enough if I'm your next target.
I don't see why I would have to stay on one person or hold one opinion the whole time... The game changes a lot and very easily, so keeping one steady target for such a long period of time is odd to me...
Oh and btw like you often make drunk posts, I often make posts where I am tired as hell especially very late at night. These posts are often riddled with all sorts of errors and inconsistencies. I don't think there were many so far in this game but there could have been a few.
ste_mc_efc
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My idea was that if we could agree to lynching someone (or rather anyone) then it'd be easier to actually lynch someone. If we didn't establish that we were, as a group, going to lynch someone and just had individuals going after other individuals we'd get nowhere. Which is exactly what has happened. And people got suspicious of me for saying this was going to happen when it was obvious.
If we decided not to lynch then we could still share opinions and ideas and FOS people and we'd be probably be better off than we are now. But then nobody seemed interested in discussing that. As I said I might have missed posts. I was intending to suggest and informal vote of lynch/no lynch, then if the majority wanted a lynch we'd agree to lynch off whoever got the most votes, even if that number was <5, but all 9 people had to lynch somebody and make a legitimate argument for doing so, but when nobody seemed interested when i suggested deciding as a group whether to lynch or not i just left it. (although i was afk for about 36 hours after suggesting it)
I don't really get what your point about an alternative even is, really as that's what would have been discussed when deciding to lynch or no lynch, obviously.
CremerCurrans
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Wow that post from thedon5 is massive, can't believe I read all of that. Shows dedication when you type that much, although a lot of it seemed to be him repeating what he's said during the game, or better explaining it.
Good to see Manly is over is hangover and made a positive contribution, plus put some pressure on the don, to test him out.
Unlynch: Abhas
Still suspicious given how RPHKR played. But it's rough to have a lynch on him given he's just taken over from him.
Also suspicious of Varun. Seems to know a fair amount which could just mean he's a town member with a power role, or it could mean he knows who all the town members are. Hard to tell.
Shows dedication when you type that much, although a lot of it seemed to be him repeating what he's said during the game, or better explaining it. Good to see Manly is over is hangover and made a positive contribution, plus put some pressure on the don, to test him out.
Unlynch: Abhas
Still suspicious given how RPHKR played. But it's rough to have a lynch on him given he's just taken over from him.
Also suspicious of Varun. Seems to know a fair amount which could just mean he's a town member with a power role, or it could mean he knows who all the town members are. Hard to tell.
Okay, so there's another six hours left today. As much as I want to get rid of WC since his name is going to keep on coming up until he's killed, like I think someone said before it'd be a bit harsh to lynch him off without even getting a claim from him, which is going to be extremely unlikely in such a short amount of time.
Just incase something happens to me tonight, these are my thoughts on everyone atm:
Simon - Since it is his first game it's hard to say that he's played badly compared to the likes of WC, but he hasn't really tried to get involved in anything and has generally been inactive. What I've generally noticed in he past is that new mafia players tend to try and play under the radar and try not to make any enemies etc, so he very much fits that bill, but on the other side of the spectrum he could just not have much idea what he's doing.
Ste - I haven't really been able to form an opinion on him for whatever reason. He's been going on about how he's got a theory which he'll reveal tomorrow, so hopefully he actually does. I don't think he's really added that much so he's probably keeping something up his sleeve, although whatever that is I don't know.
TheDon - Generally been the player that I'd incline most towards town, although like I think I said a while ago with so many new/average players it wouldn't be too hard to come out with a tactic of trying to be the most active player. Like Manly says he has gone around in circles a bit, but so have I, and I think that's just been the nature of the game with a host of inactive players.
Swirler - Still on my radar because one of the keys is finding out who User investigated on night one, and him and WC were the only people that he mentioned here. He has tried to get more involved later today, so a possibly theory is that he's realised that he needs to be a bit more active to survive. He hasn't really done anything overly unusual in the thread though.
WC - Completely useless, and I can't get my head around how this is his 7th game.
Varun - Tbh I've got no idea what to make of him. He hasn't really played how I'd expect one of the most experienced players here to play, but someone said earlier that this is normally how he plays. I guess we can just hope that things go our way at night, and he can possibly reveal what he knows tomorrow.
Abhas - Don't really have anything to say about him.
Manly - I'd like to think that he has been pretty genuine over the last week or so and he's been too busy to really get involved, and now that he's found some time he has tried to get involved. Because of that he's been pretty hard to read other the last week or so.
Just incase something happens to me tonight, these are my thoughts on everyone atm:
Simon - Since it is his first game it's hard to say that he's played badly compared to the likes of WC, but he hasn't really tried to get involved in anything and has generally been inactive. What I've generally noticed in he past is that new mafia players tend to try and play under the radar and try not to make any enemies etc, so he very much fits that bill, but on the other side of the spectrum he could just not have much idea what he's doing.
Ste - I haven't really been able to form an opinion on him for whatever reason. He's been going on about how he's got a theory which he'll reveal tomorrow, so hopefully he actually does. I don't think he's really added that much so he's probably keeping something up his sleeve, although whatever that is I don't know.
TheDon - Generally been the player that I'd incline most towards town, although like I think I said a while ago with so many new/average players it wouldn't be too hard to come out with a tactic of trying to be the most active player. Like Manly says he has gone around in circles a bit, but so have I, and I think that's just been the nature of the game with a host of inactive players.
Swirler - Still on my radar because one of the keys is finding out who User investigated on night one, and him and WC were the only people that he mentioned here. He has tried to get more involved later today, so a possibly theory is that he's realised that he needs to be a bit more active to survive. He hasn't really done anything overly unusual in the thread though.
WC - Completely useless, and I can't get my head around how this is his 7th game.
Varun - Tbh I've got no idea what to make of him. He hasn't really played how I'd expect one of the most experienced players here to play, but someone said earlier that this is normally how he plays. I guess we can just hope that things go our way at night, and he can possibly reveal what he knows tomorrow.
Abhas - Don't really have anything to say about him.
Manly - I'd like to think that he has been pretty genuine over the last week or so and he's been too busy to really get involved, and now that he's found some time he has tried to get involved. Because of that he's been pretty hard to read other the last week or so.
ste_mc_efc
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The idea i had has been rendered essentially moot by RHPKR dropping out and being replaced
ste_mc_efc
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That RHPKR knew something about Swirler or more (likely i thought at the time) RHPKR was mafia trying to divert attention. As his post just quoting a lot of Swirler's posts and saying "let's talk about him" but without actually suggesting anything specific only makes sense in a context of trying to lead discussion there without making it look too aggressive.
However Swirler's response was odd too, the obvious response would have just been to ask what he was on about as there was no substance for a post requiring quite a bit of effort, but instead he largely attacked a different post of RHPKR's, so i would have been surprised if both of them were town.
However Swirler's response was odd too, the obvious response would have just been to ask what he was on about as there was no substance for a post requiring quite a bit of effort, but instead he largely attacked a different post of RHPKR's, so i would have been surprised if both of them were town.
thedon5
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I was thinking something similar though took it as more of an attempt to go after one of the most active players, due to how it was poorly done and his lack of a conclusion at the end of the post about swirler.
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Everybody has had some stance on WC, unlike everyone else, and of course he's not contributing so lynching him off will help us into further analysis based on his alignment (and maybe role, if we can decipher it from his character!). I have nothing else besides, and it seems logical enough to me.
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I generally rely on analysis more than night results and writeups, but I've been scarce owing to a relatively busy schedule.
And yes, WC should claim.
thedon5
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We can go after WC as much as we want, he won't claim since he probably doesn't know what a claim is.
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