Ashes to Ashes Mafia - Endgame (SK win)

[barmyarmy]

Luckily there aren't many pages full of posts.
Thank you and I'll send you RPHKR's role.

 

[CremerCurrans]

Sweet we're getting someone active. Just need to find something to discuss until he's ready.

 

[thedon5]

Meh it would be a bit pointless to lynch RPHKR now.

I want to lynch either Manly or WC now.

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Unlynch: RPHKR/Abhas

 

[CG123]

Tbh this day's just been going on for ages, and we haven't really got any closer other than narrowing the field down to the less active players. Until tomorrow I don't see us getting anywhere, although I'm happy to take a punt on WC because the chance of him not being town is probably slightly more than the chance of him having a power role/a power role that he actually knows what he's doing with. I get the feeling that one of Manly or Ste is probably mafia, but I don't think that there's going to be enough activity to get either of them lynched today unless we wait another five days.

 

[thedon5]

Lynch: WC

 

[Abhas]

Role received.
By the look of things, nothing too substantial, but did find a few scummy posts. Not yet ready to point fingers or lay suspicion on anyone.. havnt read properly.
I do feel WC is just being WC, and despite my strong urge to lynch him for various reasons, I think it might not be a good move for the town if he's townie.

 

[barmyarmy]

Ok. This is your actual real 24 hour deadline.

Vote Count

World Champions - 2 (Manly, thedon5)
Simon - 1 (Ste)
Abhas - 2 (swirler, Simon)
Varun - 1 (World Champions)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

 

[Abhas]

What a way to come back to playing a mafia game.. Starting a game with 2 lynches to my name already..

 

[barmyarmy]

Well you had 3 before thedon unlynched you...

 

[Varun]

We can afford one town lynch? I'd like to take a risk on WC. I've been rereading the thread and having WCs alignment revealed could make things more clear, along with information from the night.

Lynch: WC

 

[Abhas]

I'd rather ask for his claim than to run the risk of losing a townie if I was indeed that suspicious.
I disagree that WC could be a sacrificial lamb for the mafia because unless Colin has misbalanced this, there surely cannot be enough mafia to lose 1.
That leaves me a tad suspicious of Varun for wanting Wc 's head, unless he's got something, of course, which I may have missed.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Don't think we can Lynch Abhas off, can't even question him either really as they aren't his posts.

Although I don't think RHKPR was mafia anyway now, seems he was inactive as he couldn't play anymore, which would explain his odd posts as him being reckless as he didn't care about being lynched.

As predicted we're nearing the end of a (very long day phase) and we're still nowhere near lynching. I did suggest we should try to decide whether or not to lynch first rather than pursue trying to lynch people as individuals, but unless i've missed posts I don't think anyone has bothered to do that.

 

[Manly]

How do everyone. I'm just about back to normal. Sit tight, it's a rollercoaster.

 

[Manly]

Thoughts on thedon5's posts (most of them) to this point

OK so first paragraph clearly shows the presence of a tracker or a cop. Maybe a follower. Nothing else so far in the game suggests we'd have both a tracker and a cop so I think it's one or the other. Also clearly shows a Mafia roleblocker.

Not sure what to make of the second paragraph. A woman character was about to be killed I guess. Just build up to the third paragraph.

Third paragraph suggests that the Mafia failed in executing their kill. A doctor would have correctly protected someone maybe..?

Fourth paragraph suggests the presence of a serial killer and I think it was the serial killer that performed the kill and not the Mafia. Had it been the serial killer that failed, it would be less likely that there was a "well thought out plan". A well thought out plan is something that would be more likely from a group of people.

User's ghost post suggests to me he possibly had a power role, perhaps that of the tracker or cop from the first paragraph.

So in a 10 man game, my hunch is two or three Mafia with one roleblocker and one godfather, a serial killer, a doctor and a cop/tracker/watcher. That leaves five more townies, maybe one more power role, maybe a miller and maybe a survivor.

I want to see if WC can contribute today, right now he is acting as a brilliant scapegoat in keeping the pressure off the Mafia with his seemingly poor play. But let's try and isolate others too and not put the spotlight on him the entire day.

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I'm sure it wasn't the Mafia that performed the kill. I've never played in a game with a vigilante before, but what if it was the vigilante that performed the kill and not a serial killer? Serial killer seems to make more sense from the day 1 write-up, but does anyone who's played with a vigilante think that the write-up could suggest a vigilante more?

This post is what his entire game has hinged on, and it's only an indication. He's convincing/convinced everyone there's two killers, yet only one was successful. "I'm sure it wasn't the Mafia that performed a kill." < Why so? And moreover why on earth add in the fact we may have a vigilante? And gee whizz if the vigilante is killing on N1 then we have serious problems.

If we have no-one to lynch, may as well lynch off WC. Even if he is town, he won't add anything to our game. Even if he has a powerful role, he won't use it properly or he won't report back properly.

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I'll go ahead Lynch: WC.

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Unlynch: barmyarmy

Lynch: WC

Simon is new as well, that would be one of the least likely Mafia combos, Simon and WC...

Unlynch: WC

Since I'm going to bed I'll say that I wasn't serious in lynching WC. Since we were unsure of who to go after, I thought I'd try and wheedle out someone who would agree and want to lynch him.

Lynching WC is a bad idea. If we lynch him and he turns up as town, and the Mafia and the SK both perform successful kills on townies, that leaves us with just three townies, an SK and two Mafia members, making it an uphill battle.

So we definitely have to try and isolate a Mafia member today instead of giving up and going for WC.

I..what? I mean, I understand the tactic of maybe trying to instigate a quicklynch and hope to find a mafia member that will throw a poor player under the bus early doors in order to clear themselves later in the game but in a game this slow there is no way in hell even a remotely smart mafia teammate would do such a thing.

Agree, but this notion there's a SK as well as a GF doesn't sit with me until we have two night kills.

Manly always tends to post like that. So it's hard to think about whether that's him giving off town or Mafia vibes.

The last time I played with RPHKR he was playing exactly as he is now and he turned out being Mafia. Extensive write-up analysis to make it look like he was trying to help the town, and then all but disappearing unless he was getting onto a lynch bandwagon. Better keep a watch on him.

That is what most of the guys here are doing. We've just heard some opinion from Varun and CG, which is what we need. I find it odd that Varun went straight for CG of all people when he was definitely adding to the game. But again IIRC that is how Varun plays.

Simon is supposedly new but he is refraining from doing much either. It's hard to get a read on newer players like him, but I feel he doesn't give off Mafia vibes to too large an extent.

Ste has added very little other than his joke lynch on Simon and his explanation of WC's gameplay. He is quite experienced so I could definitely see Colin using him and one of WC or Simon as a Mafia team.

WC is useless but we can't lynch him. We just have to hope he is replaced by someone better or starts contributing. As it stands if he is town the Mafia or SK won't kill him and if he is Mafia he is getting a free ride. He really needs to be replaced as his play is quite unfair to the town...

Swirler is a tough one, I see that CG makes a very good point but his gameplay seems good so far so it's hard to say. He is to some extent showing his opinions.

Ste has only played once or twice, but he played on IRC quite a bit I believe elsewhere. He had it fully down halfway through his first game and played well.

The point you made on swirler perhaps being investigated by User as he was suspicious of him and getting a positive result is a good point.

A possibility is that Varun is the cop or follower/tracker/watcher and saw that you were around someone important. I would like Varun to clear it up.

@swirler: Yeah it's also possible though that both the Mafia and the town have a roleblocker. Or maybe a Mafia roleblocker and a town jailkeeper.

The write-up suggests either a jailkeeper or a doctor is possible, it's not explicitly stated.

All right, time to make a move. I was unhappy with his play last time and I was right. He's doing the same thing again so I want to go after him.

Lynch: RPHKR

I'm sure I read further on in the game you saying that it's a 'myth' to pay attention to previous gameplay.

He's played double the games I have.

I dunno what to do, I want to go after RPHKR but at the same time WC deserves to be lynched and seems to have trouble understanding English.

No one really deserves to be lynched per se, but you've gone on and on and on about how we can't afford to lynch WC and yet here you are...?

Scummy post from RPHKR. The Varun statement makes sense. Varun shouldn't be half revealing things like he has been doing, he is an obvious target for the Mafia. Bit of a poor move from him showing off his results on day 1, should've waited till day 3 perhaps. But RPHKR looks very much like a member of the Mafia trying to get other players on his side. He also seemingly knows that CG, swirler and WC are town, but wants to try a way of getting one of them lynched using other peoples' suspicions. Right now he is trying to agree with CG's hunch to possibly get swirler lynched but he failed in his first try. He also knows I am town and after I was suspcious of him, he tries to use the tactic of saying that I give off town vibes so that I'll hopefully lay off him as I'd know he wouldn't go after me. This is my second game with you, maybe third if you played anonymous Mafia. From the last non-anonymous game I played with you, you were playing just like this and ended up being Mafia.

Manly yet again adds nothing. I'm not sure who gets on the beers on a Thursday, I just know I don't, especially all day...

ste saying we won't come to a conclusion today sounds like he is perhaps trying to get to night as quickly as possible, and that is a terrible statement for the townie to make as it puts us in a terrible position if we again don't lynch anyone today.

I also think Simon has been going under the radar for a while now.

WC is useless but he doesn't give any vibes purely because his English is poor and he doesn't know what he is doing. RPHKR is giving major Mafia vibes in all his posts. I guess to his disadvantage he actually knows English and knows what he's doing.

Unlynch: WC

Lynch: RPHKR

FOS: ste, WC, Manly, Simon

Strange thing to say really, especially buried deep in the text..just doesn't sit right with me.

I do and it's bloody brilliant.

Right yeah that makes sense. I have no idea what the strategy of an SK involves as I've never played it but let's hope he does us a favour.

Well there's a chance RPHKR will come on while we're asleep, we aren't lynching him off just yet we just want to see his defence. So you could very much put in a lynch for him.

Right, year fair enough. I struggled with that write-up too and I'm pretty bad at write-up analysis so I can see why he had the same trouble.

Ste hasn't really posted anything on anyone. That's why I'm suspicious of him.

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Didn't see ste's post. Yes I agree with you mate, and even before that post his play didn't at all seem town, he did very little other than his solid write-up analysis as usual.

Here's our buddy the SK theory again..

Lynching WC now gets us nowhere. If he's Mafia or the SK, we're good, but if he isn't it's a bad idea to do blindly. He won't defend himself and it won't give us a read on any players as he won't defend himself, since he probably doesn't know what defend means. We will go into the next day with perhaps as low as just three Mafia with no read on who else could be Mafia.

Hence why we at least need to go after other people. If we conclude that after going after a couple of people we are still unsure on who to lynch, then we can lynch off WC. Until then though he is a nothing player and we should go after players who are competent and have a proper grasp of the language.

I'm surprised an experienced player like you, Manly, wasn't able to connect the dots and realise this.

Massive FOS: Manly

And we've flopped back the way of 'don't lynch WC' again.

With everyone posting that I am least likely to be SK or Mafia, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the one who'll be killed and not Varun...

Hopefully you are. And the SK theory can either be confirmed or set to bed.

What both ste and Manly know is that they don't have to post anything as they won't get lynched as others are playing worse and also they aren't playing well enough to get killed at night either.

I'm quite certain I'll be the one killed tonight though.

Stop being a drama queen.

You would realise that isn't too bad if you see the Ghost Chips ad...

I think we need extra time, it would be pretty ridiculous to end the day now while we are so close to lynching someone off, and the guy won't even show up... So don't lynch him.

Maybe if he isn't here tomorrow night we should lynch him off as a player inactive for so long is useless anyway.

I'm not the double voter either btw.

Meh it would be a bit pointless to lynch RPHKR now.

I want to lynch either Manly or WC now.

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Unlynch: RPHKR/Abhas

Lynch: WC

And finally on WC.

I've stuck to my guns this whole game to get rid of WC, and the fact td5 has flopped around so badly means he is next in my targets.

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Edit: where 'colour rgb x, y, z' is, that's the different coloured text I've highlighted.

Mod: Why is that a thing? When I highlight text and click the colour it has the text name, yet when I click and start typing my own it comes up with the RGB value?

 

[barmyarmy]

Erm, technical questions to Matt...