Ashes to Ashes Mafia - Endgame (SK win)

I feel you did have to defend yourself. Throughout the game people have been getting suspicious of you and each time you have ignored their suspicions where they seemingly asked for a reply from you to that suspicion.

The point about the poisoner is a little way of me trying to trap you, and it seems to have worked. Hence I wouldn't be surprised if you were the SK, a two man Mafia team with a poisoner and a Godfather would likely clear you if you are the SK.

Yeah good old Sulaiman always thanking random posts:p.

I want to see what the others have to say regarding this as well.

The only thing that I can think of that keeps coming up, is User2010 possibly investigating me, and coming-up with a positive mafia role. I already answered that, also it's more likely that he investigated WC.
 
He mentioned that I was playing cluelessly, and after quoting my posts, he just said "He was just questioning WC like others."
 
Abhas, previously RPHKR.

RPHKR's contribution to the game was virtually nil. Abhas, you have looked pro-town so far. My only worries are:

1. Your careful and manipulative game (maybe it's just how you play or how we have come to look at you as), rather than the aggressive town you mostly play as.
2.
I disagree.

Lynch: Manly

Explain this? Pretty much lynched Manly for no reasons.
 
Surprised to see that there has been very little activity.

Not surprised to see WC disappear again, it appears that he probably just showed up early day 4 hoping to remove another town member.

Simon with his claim seems to be the most likely town remaining. It's Important that he remains active though, to make sure we finally remove a mafia/SK

Not sure about the Don, I know he was just pushing me due to keeping every option open, but I can't completely rule him out from not being town just yet.

Varun has been more clear today, and has been investigating, but not 100 percent sold on his claim.

Abhas has been some what suspicious has been quick to lynch people, that have turned-out to be town.

FOS: Abhas, Varun, the don & WC

If WC doesn't appear again, He needs to be lynched.
 
Surprised to see that there has been very little activity.

Not surprised to see WC disappear again, it appears that he probably just showed up early day 4 hoping to remove another town member.

Simon with his claim seems to be the most likely town remaining. It's Important that he remains active though, to make sure we finally remove a mafia/SK

Not sure about the Don, I know he was just pushing me due to keeping every option open, but I can't completely rule him out from not being town just yet.

Varun has been more clear today, and has been investigating, but not 100 percent sold on his claim.

Abhas has been some what suspicious has been quick to lynch people, that have turned-out to be town.

FOS: Abhas, Varun, the don & WC

If WC doesn't appear again, He needs to be lynched.

If i don't show off that doesn't signifies that i ama Mafia.

You have given green signal to Simon, however i beg to differ. I am suspecting Simon and Abhas. Abhas more, becasue Abhas know i am not so good at playing this game despite of taking part in 7 or more events. Abhas protected me, so that he and his mafia memebrs can start wiping out other townies. And now, he is tragetting me, becasue he know, its quite easy to take me out now as manly is dead now. So, if you are a townie, i will say lets gun down them.
 
Abhas appears more suspicious that simon is, he appears in the write-up, plus he can explain who he targeted each of the nights.

You say that you have a healing role, have you been using it? Don't remember anything about you using it. If you have can you explain who you protected each of the nights? I've looked-up your role and I know that you only have a 50 percent success rate. It will help us clear you if we know what you've been doing during the night phase.
 
All right, I'll be quite honest I was getting really suspicious of swirler since it all seemed to make so much sense. He seemed to be playing a very calculated way, and now that I look back at my post other than some of it which was solid a lot of it was just clutching at straws really as I don't like being the sort of position where I am now where I think most people are sort of leaning town.

However he has cleared it up for me, unless he is still playing a real blinder for the Mafia, the very calm way he has approached my lynch on him makes me think he is actually just town trying to get to the Mafia, his defence has been solid and instead of putting out a typically poor Mafia defence he has reasoned well.

He remains on my suspect list but for now I feel like I can lay off him.

Unlynch: swirler

Yes WC, please tell us more about your role? Please paraphrase to an extent what was in your role PM.

Also interesting to remember that Manly believed Bowie was likely to be Godfather, what do people think about Manly's suspicion? He did seem to have an agenda against WC throughout the game, but maybe he knew something which he was hiding?

The suspicion of Abhas makes sense to me. RPHKR never ceased to be suspicious to me up until the time he was replaced. Abhas then comes in, and being the immensely experienced player he is, he comes in and to extent removes all the suspicion everyone had of him. People also began to rule him out as a suspect as he had just joined and people wanted to figure it out.

However, you look at his play and there are still inconsistencies and he has had trouble explaining himself.

He first said both RPHKR and himself would have interpreted the game very differently and used that to justify RPHKR's scummy play. He claimed miller as well so I think the scope for difference in interpretation is much lower.

He also said he thinks he is bulletproof and miller... I would think he got a straight name for his role and a combination between two roles is something that I'd assume is strange and very uncommon. That was an odd thing to say and this was his exact reasoning which is quite poor IMO:

Even I was a bit surprised, but the reason kind of made sense.. Being one of the best in the world, yet, having lost the ashes thrice, a miller (villain) combined with a bulletproof ability (hero) would probably be the perfect balance to the character.

Abhas, can you please paraphrase exactly what is in your role PM?

Miller again is a very scummy claim to make, it makes him immune to the cop and deems him basically a vanilla townie so that he doesn't have to explain for what he did each night for example, like WC and Simon are having to do.

This was one of his first posts where he mentions WC. He has been suspicious of Varun throughout the game but back then wasn't sure about WC at all, he was even getting suspicious of Varun because of this.

I disagree that WC could be a sacrificial lamb for the mafia because unless Colin has misbalanced this, there surely cannot be enough mafia to lose 1.
That leaves me a tad suspicious of Varun for wanting Wc 's head, unless he's got something, of course, which I may have missed.

He is now very keen on lynching WC purely on Manly's word. Also based on WC's suspicions when he himself earlier agreed that WC wasn't contributing enough.

lynch: WC
And with that, I'm 100% certain, we've found our mafia.. He was against Manly and Ste. First having helped lynch Manly, he decided to take out Ste, because these two, and Varun were consistently gunning for his head.

Manly suggested that Bowie could be the godfather, and I did not agree with him then because I felt he was mafia, but now, I feel he might have had a point.

Lynch: Abhas
 
Explain this? Pretty much lynched Manly for no reasons.
It looked like I lynched him without reason when you just look at this post. Looking at the buildup, I was getting fairly suspicious of both him and Ste, with manly looking more suspicious to me.

Regarding my defence of WC, and consequent lynch, we're talking about posts from different day periods.
The first post doesn't signify that I believe WC.. or that I'm protecting him for some reason. It simply provides a reasoning why I thought we shouldn't be lynching him, because prior to that, we had people suggesting that he might be a sacrificial lamb, which to me, made no sense. That is also where I felt Varun was hiding something..

The consequent lynch is a result of the day's happenings, which, when looked back, makes WC look scummier. Also, it was confirmed manly's town, that makes him all the more believable. I would any day believe a dead townie more than an alive unknown.

Of course, I had formed an opinion that WC was town on day 1, but it doesn't mean I couldn't have been wrong. With the limited amount of information we have, I find it highly surprising that thedon seems to know everything.

I really don't know what you're trying to imply with the 2 quotes.. if you're trying to say I might be anti-town for lynching someone whom I had defended before, that would be dumb. The point of this game is to learn with every post, and that's exactly what I'm trying to do. I wouldn't magically know someone's allegiance, I've to work it out based on the gameplay and weighing in on other's words, while trying to factor out the lies.
I wouldn't know who's lying and who's not.. I've to make that call myself.

My lynch either stays on WC, or Varun. Sorry I exaggerated on the 100% thing, (just wrote it in the flow of things), but by my judgement, I'm quite certain that these two are the anti-towns we're looking for.
 
Abhas appears more suspicious that simon is, he appears in the write-up, plus he can explain who he targeted each of the nights.

You say that you have a healing role, have you been using it? Don't remember anything about you using it. If you have can you explain who you protected each of the nights? I've looked-up your role and I know that you only have a 50 percent success rate. It will help us clear you if we know what you've been doing during the night phase.

I agree with you, Abhas is really getting more suspicious.

I do have 50% success rates, i don't know whether i have used it for our benefit or it has fired us back. But i have sprotected Abhas on 2nd night and Varun on 3rd night.
 
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It looked like I lynched him without reason when you just look at this post. Looking at the buildup, I was getting fairly suspicious of both him and Ste, with manly looking more suspicious to me.

Regarding my defence of WC, and consequent lynch, we're talking about posts from different day periods.
The first post doesn't signify that I believe WC.. or that I'm protecting him for some reason. It simply provides a reasoning why I thought we shouldn't be lynching him, because prior to that, we had people suggesting that he might be a sacrificial lamb, which to me, made no sense. That is also where I felt Varun was hiding something..

The consequent lynch is a result of the day's happenings, which, when looked back, makes WC look scummier. Also, it was confirmed manly's town, that makes him all the more believable. I would any day believe a dead townie more than an alive unknown.

Of course, I had formed an opinion that WC was town on day 1, but it doesn't mean I couldn't have been wrong. With the limited amount of information we have, I find it highly surprising that thedon seems to know everything.

I really don't know what you're trying to imply with the 2 quotes.. if you're trying to say I might be anti-town for lynching someone whom I had defended before, that would be dumb. The point of this game is to learn with every post, and that's exactly what I'm trying to do. I wouldn't magically know someone's allegiance, I've to work it out based on the gameplay and weighing in on other's words, while trying to factor out the lies.
I wouldn't know who's lying and who's not.. I've to make that call myself.

My lynch either stays on WC, or Varun. Sorry I exaggerated on the 100% thing, (just wrote it in the flow of things), but by my judgement, I'm quite certain that these two are the anti-towns we're looking for.

Can you paraphrase your role PM? Your bulletproof/miller claim is really scummy to me.
 
Also interesting to remember that Manly believed Bowie was likely to be Godfather, what do people think about Manly's suspicion? He did seem to have an agenda against WC throughout the game, but maybe he knew something which he was hiding?



The suspicion of Abhas makes sense to me. RPHKR never ceased to be suspicious to me up until the time he was replaced. Abhas then comes in, and being the immensely experienced player he is, he comes in and to extent removes all the suspicion everyone had of him. People also began to rule him out as a suspect as he had just joined and people wanted to figure it out.

However, you look at his play and there are still inconsistencies and he has had trouble explaining himself.

He first said both RPHKR and himself would have interpreted the game very differently and used that to justify RPHKR's scummy play. He claimed miller as well so I think the scope for difference in interpretation is much lower.

He also said he thinks he is bulletproof and miller... I would think he got a straight name for his role and a combination between two roles is something that I'd assume is strange and very uncommon. That was an odd thing to say and this was his exact reasoning which is quite poor IMO:







He is now very keen on lynching WC purely on Manly's word. Also based on WC's suspicions when he himself earlier agreed that WC wasn't contributing enough.






Lynch: Abhas




Manly was a drunken townie, how you can take him seriously :p

Maybe Abby boy is suffering multiple disorder ;)

Well i think Abhas had saved me on numerous occasion,s because he knew, i can be wiped out at any time, so why wasting it now ? its better to take other townies. Thats what he did. He knew, after lynching Manly, everyone will take a dig at me and thus i could be wiped out very easily. Abby boy and his expereinces :spy


UNLYNCH: Simon

LYNCH: Abhas
 
Vote Count

World Champions - 2 (Abhas, Simon)
Abhas - 2 (thedon, World Champions)

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
 
I'm one of the greatest batsmen of all time. Unfortunately, I'm also the man who lost the Ashes three times.
Some of my friends seem to think I'm a villain, but no one can ever forget the greatness I've achieved. My role is bulletproof. If anyone tries to kill me at night they will fail, however, if investigated, I will come up as anti-town.

That's the closest I can probably get to without pissing Colin off :p


Manly was a drunken townie, how you can take him seriously :p

Maybe Abby boy is suffering multiple disorder ;)

Well i think Abhas had saved me on numerous occasion,s because he knew, i can be wiped out at any time, so why wasting it now ? its better to take other townies. Thats what he did. He knew, after lynching Manly, everyone will take a dig at me and thus i could be wiped out very easily. Abby boy and his expereinces :spy


UNLYNCH: Simon

LYNCH: Abhas

A drunken townie is still a confirmed townie.

I never "saved" you. I simply put forward my thoughts on why you shouldn't be lynched. Heck, I was going to lynch you first thing yesterday when you posted, because I was not impressed by your sneaky play.

At the moment, the only person actually "protecting" you seems to be thedon, and I see no reason how he can be so sure, unless he knows things that the rest of us don't, which, incidentally, is a mafia trait.
 
Screw this. I want to go after someone other than WC but he it would be ridiculous not to lynch him off the way he is playing. He blatantly doesn't know how to seem town, even if he's town he doesn't know what he's doing and if he's Mafia, well then he isn't cloaking his identity at all.

He has a clear agenda against certain players, me, Abhas and Simon. Then he agrees with me to lynch Abhas.

Had enough of it, another day of him will drive me mad. I hope day 5 will be open and will actually have all competent players.

Unlynch: Abhas

Lynch WC
 

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