Ashes to Ashes Mafia - Endgame (SK win)

[barmyarmy]

Vote Count

Varun - 1 (Abhas)
Abhas - 1 (Varun)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

 

[thedon5]

Mate, you disagreeing with my claim is not at all reason for me to lynch you. If anything I like such things as it shows you are not blindly believing things and are thinking them through first, as you should.

The town can win. As long as the two townies are alive tomorrow there is every chance the town can win. This is assuming it wasn't me or Simon who was poisoned, which is still possible, and that it was the SK.

Need some proper discussion. I'll be back in about twelve hours, if I don't see any reason to lynch Abhas/Varun it will be a straight lynch on swirler.

 

[CremerCurrans]

I need to ask Swirler, and that'll make things clearer for all of us. Let thedon and swirler come online.
We have enough time to make a fruitful decision during the day.

Ask away! You probably should of included the question, so I could answer it straight away.

There hasn't been much activity so there isn't much for me to discuss.

Simon has an excuse being sick, but where has Varun disappeared to? I don't understand why the pressure hasn't remained on Varun, given that he is the scummiest player left in the game.

The town still has a chance, we just have to make sure we don't remove another town member.

Lynch: Varun

 

[Abhas]

The town can win. As long as the two townies are alive tomorrow there is every chance the town can win. This is assuming it wasn't me or Simon who was poisoned, which is still possible, and that it was the SK.

No, it can't, explanation coming up in a while.

 

[Abhas]

Okay, time for some revelations.. I'm mafia, and so is Swirler.
We've come to a definite conclusion that town cannot win this. Simon has been poisoned, and he'll die tonight. (I swear we have nothing to do with his real life sickness though.. )
Varun is the SK, who targeted thedon yesterday, but thedon being a commuter or something similar, was saved.
I know it might sound far-fetched to some, but thedon would relate to everything ive said so far.

Now, considering town cannot win, it is a 2 horse race between the SK and the mafia.
Lynch Varun to have the endgame now, or lynch one of us to have an endgame tomorrow.

I also know why Varun specifically wants to lynch me, not swirler, because by lynching me, he ensures his win coz he can't kill me at night, by lynching swirler, he's leaving doors open for a mafia victory.

Thedon, it's for you to decide now, I'm ready to provide further explanation if needed.

 

[thedon5]

OK while it is completely plausible I'd prefer not taking your word for it and actually seeing it through to the very end. I still think we have every chance of winning. I would like to see swirler verifying this as well as you could be the SK who is posting that to beat Varun and swirler. Though perhaps swirler sort of made it obvious by his lynch on Varun.

I would lynch swirler but seeing as two more guys coming on by the end of the day is unlikely, I will lynch you.

Lynch: Abhas

 

[Abhas]

What exactly do you think you don't understand/believe?

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Swirler can verify, and I can provide you all night actions, and you can see yourself from the writeup.
Varun is the SK, and now it's simply a toss for you to choose mafia victory or SK victory.

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I suggest we unlynch each other so that we can have a proper discussion about it first
unlynch: varun

 

[thedon5]

I'm just not convinced you'd come out like that. I don't know why you'd suggest something like this, because in my eyes I think this is just a hunch from you.

I very early on was certain there was an SK. Now I'm not so sure, as that was all based on that first write-up, since then there's been very little suggestion of it.

I have no idea what you and swirler are, and you can easily lie as you did for your claims so I'm not going to believe it. But the fact is other than the double-kill on night 3, and perhaps a possible interpretation of the night 1 write-up, there is no real confirmation of an SK. Now I know one of you is the poisoner, but I have been toying with the idea recently that one of you also has the ability to make one kill at any point during the game, and you chose CG as he was playing so well, or ste as he seemed to be getting quite aggressive and after Manly was killed you were perhaps scared he'd go after you, and also perhaps wanted the game to change.

So my theory is the town can still win, and me, Varun and Simon are the townies, so me and Varun can still win if you've poisoned Simon.

Sorry but I am keeping the lynch on you/swirler, I feel even if there is a chance the town can win that I would like to take that chance.

 

[CremerCurrans]

Okay, time for some revelations.. I'm mafia, and so is Swirler.
We've come to a definite conclusion that town cannot win this. Simon has been poisoned, and he'll die tonight. (I swear we have nothing to do with his real life sickness though.. )
Varun is the SK, who targeted thedon yesterday, but thedon being a commuter or something similar, was saved.
I know it might sound far-fetched to some, but thedon would relate to everything ive said so far.

Now, considering town cannot win, it is a 2 horse race between the SK and the mafia.
Lynch Varun to have the endgame now, or lynch one of us to have an endgame tomorrow.

I also know why Varun specifically wants to lynch me, not swirler, because by lynching me, he ensures his win coz he can't kill me at night, by lynching swirler, he's leaving doors open for a mafia victory.

Thedon, it's for you to decide now, I'm ready to provide further explanation if needed.

It's true, there's no use in hiding it anymore. I poisoned simon during night four , which was successful so he is dead as soon as the day finishes. Abhas is bullet-proof, and has no killing power. So me and I think Varun have been doing all the killing. My other successful poisoning was Callum.

This shows that there has to be a SK.

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I'm just not convinced you'd come out like that. I don't know why you'd suggest something like this, because in my eyes I think this is just a hunch from you.

I very early on was certain there was an SK. Now I'm not so sure, as that was all based on that first write-up, since then there's been very little suggestion of it.

I have no idea what you and swirler are, and you can easily lie as you did for your claims so I'm not going to believe it. But the fact is other than the double-kill on night 3, and perhaps a possible interpretation of the night 1 write-up, there is no real confirmation of an SK. Now I know one of you is the poisoner, but I have been toying with the idea recently that one of you also has the ability to make one kill at any point during the game, and you chose CG as he was playing so well, or ste as he seemed to be getting quite aggressive and after Manly was killed you were perhaps scared he'd go after you, and also perhaps wanted the game to change.

So my theory is the town can still win, and me, Varun and Simon are the townies, so me and Varun can still win if you've poisoned Simon.

Sorry but I am keeping the lynch on you/swirler, I feel even if there is a chance the town can win that I would like to take that chance.

I did target ste, but the other killing role got to him first.

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I also targeted you as well, although it was blocked or you avoided it some-how.

 

[barmyarmy]

Vote Count

Varun - 1 (swirler)
Abhas - 2 (Varun, thedon5)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

 

[Abhas]

Some detailed analysis coming up.. Going for lunch, will be back in about 20 mins.

 

[thedon5]

Simon, may as well put in the hammer?

 

[Abhas]

Night 1:

The plan had been well thought out but when they came to execute it no-one was in. A chance missed.

The "plan" was to poison thedon. We were unsuccessful, because thedon had commuted.

She was rightly suspicious of the quiet man. Unexpectedly she was hit by a flash of light even though there was no smoking pistol. Her protagonist broke into a wild grin and retrieved the knife.

Same Night, User was killed by the SK.

SK is confirmed here. There is no other way User could have died, apart from the SK killing him, because we only have a poison ability.
Mafia has no night-kill ability, only poison. That can be confirmed by all the nights where there was no kill. Look at the night prior to CG's death. We poisoned him, and there is a clear reference to his poisoning.

It wasn?t easy to get to the star but the seed had been planted. Now to let it grow.

This.

Meanwhile the rockstar was all alone. It was ironic, he reflected, as he collapsed that he was the first person to suspect someone was tampering with the food.

CG dying because of the poisoning.

Same Night,

The drinking buddies had fallen out in a terminal way. The drunk had never worried before about what tomorrow might bring but now he did. Unexpectedly he was made to scream prematurely.

Ste's death, by the SK.

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I have a bulletproof vest. Why would a mafia have a bulletproof role unless there was another killer on the loose?
It is obvious the other killer is the SK, and it is Varun, because Simon is confirmed tracker, thedon is confirmed commuter (Your commuting also saved you from Varun's kill yesterday) - confirmed by Simon.

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I suggest, rather than being too naive, or too paranoid about the situation, if you look at it coolly, you'll understand who's who.

If I wasn't sure, why would I have come out in the open claiming myself to be mafia, exposing my teammate as well, without any pressure whatsoever?

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Our Night roles:
Night 1: Poison thedon - unsuccessful. That's when we realised he was the commuter.
Night 2: Poison CG - successful - as can be confirmed in the writeup
Night 3: Poison Ste - successful - because he was confirmed double voter. incidentally, Varun took him out as well.
Night 4: Poison Simon - successful - Confirmed in the writeup.

 

[thedon5]

Like I said, there is no point in you claiming your Mafia roles, I don't believe that you are a bulletproof.

Also ste's kill doesn't have to be an SK by any means, neither does User's, it can quite easily be interpreted to be by a Mafia killer, there is no strictly stated link to a serial killer.

My feeling now is that you know you have to set out this plan to defeat us. You know that there are three townies left and are trying to get us to lynch off one of them to hand you the win as things were getting really heated with me picking swirler out as Mafia and you possibly too. Good plan I guess but it's not really working.

You are the night killer with some sort of restrictions, maybe one successful kill in the game and swirler is the poisoner.

I think if we finish this off it's a town win. It's important to be able to see through such plans, and I think we've successfully done it.

 

[Abhas]

I think if we finish this off it's a town win. It's important to be able to see through such plans, and I think we've successfully done it.

You'll realise how wrong you were when today isn't endgame if you lynch either of us.

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You are the night killer with some sort of restrictions, maybe one successful kill in the game and swirler is the poisoner.

I was open to being tracked. I claimed miller because I wanted to be tracked, and found I did nothing, because I do nothing at night.
A bulletproof role is invariably passive.

Yes, swirler is the poisoner. You might as well lynch him off so that I can prove that I have a bulletproof ability when Varun tries to kill me tonight.
He's already targeted you, so he cannot target you consecutively, the only other target would be me, and that would clear it up.

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My feeling now is that you know you have to set out this plan to defeat us. You know that there are three townies left and are trying to get us to lynch off one of them to hand you the win as things were getting really heated with me picking swirler out as Mafia and you possibly too. Good plan I guess but it's not really working.

I'm not making a plan to defeat you. Town has already lost. Like I said, it's a battle between the SK and the Mafia. Use your own head.