Ashes to Ashes Mafia - Endgame (SK win)

[thedon5]

Maybe I will, but I'm quite sure that isn't the case. I would rather attempt a town win if there was as little as 70% chance in this situation than hand it over to the Mafia.

But I feel that we will definitely get the win as this is clearly a ploy from you to make us hand you the game. I'll give it to you, it is a very out of the box ploy and one that I was certainly borderline believing at one point.

If Simon really is poisoned then it's really unfortunate that he won't get the win as well as he has deserved it.

 

[Abhas]

Like I said, there is no point in you claiming your Mafia roles, I don't believe that you are a bulletproof.

I'm ready to prove it.
Lynch: Swirler

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You simply have to unlynch me and put the lynch on Swirler, so you would still be one away from the hammer.

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If Simon really is poisoned then it's really unfortunate that he won't get the win as well as he has deserved it.

If you think someone isn't poisoned, I'm sorry, but that's just being stupid.

More tampered food and he smiled in the knowledge of a job well done.

 

[thedon5]

Lol I didn't say Simon isn't poisoned, I said it's a shame if he is as he deserves to win too.

 

[Abhas]

Maybe I will, but I'm quite sure that isn't the case. I would rather attempt a town win if there was as little as 70% chance in this situation than hand it over to the Mafia.

I agree to this too, but you must realise, there isn't even a 50% chance. With 3 factions, the chance of winning for the town is zilch.

You think you're going to win it for the town with Varun?
Let me tell you what's going to happen..
You lynch me, Varun takes out Swirler at night, and it's SK vs town, 1 vs 1.
SK wins.

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Lol I didn't say Simon isn't poisoned, I said it's a shame if he is as he deserves to win too.

That "if" concerns me. Who do you think has been poisoned?

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Okay, Don, a couple of questions for you.
Do you agree that you're the commuter?

If yes, why did you lie?

 

[thedon5]

Me perhaps, but there is a slight hope that Colin will end the game before night so that he gets he isn't actually dead and gets the win too. That is the if but probably unlikely.

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Sorry, meant to read "so that he isn't actually dead" after night, extra "he gets" in there.

 

[Abhas]

And, why do you think you're the one poisoned?

 

[thedon5]

I said perhaps. I just don't know as I'm not willing to believe you, it's really 50:50 to me as for all I know a lot of what you have said could be fabricated.

You know I am the most active one, so you have put the choice in my hands to get in a quick win instead of posing the same choice to Simon. This is in the case that you have poisoned me and actually want to make it seem to me like you have poisoned Simon to make it seem like there's something in it for me. Then again there is also a slight chance it's Varun too. Bit of a lottery, but in any case I want the town to win even if I am not alive for the win.

I see right through your little tactics.

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Speaking of Simon and Varun, are they even still playing?

 

[Abhas]

You know I am the most active one, so you have put the choice in my hands to get in a quick win instead of posing the same choice to Simon. This is in the case that you have poisoned me and actually want to make it seem to me like you have poisoned Simon to make it seem like there's something in it for me. Then again there is also a slight chance it's Varun too. Bit of a lottery, but in any case I want the town to win even if I am not alive for the win.

I couldn't put the choice across to Simon, because you are in a position to understand better.. Would you please also answer the questions I have put forward for you?

We obviously didn't want to waste a night role, by trying to poison you again, we were risking another unsuccessful attempt, which we weren't willing to do.
Simon was obviously the safe choice being a confirmed townie.

 

[Abhas]

Since theDon has seemingly dodged the questions I asked him, I am led to believe that's a yes.

I would like to put forward the endgame sequence depending on our lynch choices:
1. Lynch Varun (SK)
- endgame, mafia win
2. Lynch Abhas (mafia)
- goes to night, Simon dies, Swirler dies
- Varun as SK wins
3. Lynch Swirler (mafia)
- goes to night, Simon dies
- Again pits Varun vs Abhas for a possible SK or Mafia victory
4. Lynch thedon (town)
- goes to night, Simon dies, Swirler dies
- Abhas wins for Mafia
5. Lynch Simon (town)
- goes to night, Swirler dies
- Again pits Varun vs Abhas for a possible SK or Mafia victory

Sorry, but there is no way town can win this. Only possible victors are SK or Mafia.
If you don't believe there can be a SK, follow Varun's posts, check out the night writeups, and my explanation or our roles.

 

[CremerCurrans]

What is Simon doing? I noticed he was viewing the the thread before. He needs to make a decision. Is he just waiting for the day to end to see what happens?

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To Simon & the don, if you are not willing to lynch manly than lynch me, you will soon find-out that we are telling the truth after the night phase. I have nothing to lose. If you guys don't lynch me Varun will, so I have nothing to lose. I'd rather the town decide how the game plays out rather than Varun tricking you.

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What I meant was Varun will kill me tonight.

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Going to bed soon, have uni tomorrow morning. Won't be back on till after midday tomorrow.

 

[barmyarmy]

Vote Count

Varun - 1 (swirler)
Abhas - 2 (Varun, thedon5)
Swirler - 1 (Abhas)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
Time is running out...

 

[Abhas]

Before Simon makes the decision, even thedon needs to make the decision. We're here, ready to offering our heads for no reason.

If you guys believe we're scheming, we ourselves are asking you to lynch swirler. We don't want to give Varun a free ticket to the victory line.
Lynch me, lynch swirler, it's the same for the town, but it's drastically different for Varun, and it can be confirmed why he has only went about lynching me, not swirler, even once. Because he knows I can only be lynched out, and not killed, while Swirler can be killed easily.

 

[thedon5]

You are creating this situation where there has to be an SK so that we'll do what you want and give the Mafia the win. There quite clearly isn't one, you are indeed scheming. One of you is poisoner and the other is a killer with some sort of condition (e.g. one successful kill per game or something).

Lynching swirler is again a scheme and perhaps allows you to kill someone at night, leaving it as a Mafia and one townie meaning a Mafia win. We want a town win and as many townies as possible deserve the win, including Simon and including Varun who I think is a townie as well.

Anyway I'm off to bed, looks like we will finish without a lynch today as Simon won't post so you sort of get your wish.

 

[Abhas]

Meh. Good luck winning.

It's not a matter of me getting my wish or not.

You guys are not trying to understand how it'll work.. If there are 2 mafia, and 1 has a kill, regardless of who dies, the kill is transferred to the the other. If the mafia has a kill, they would continue to have a kill till they have atleast 1 player alive.

I'm not sure why you've developed this mental block. Either you're not willing to understand, or you're not able to comprehend.

How can you be so sure that Varun is town? If you say he's giving you the town vibes, Swirler was giving you town vibes as well.

 

[thedon5]

A lot has changed since then, the two Mafia members have literally come out and claimed so now what he has done in the game suddenly makes a lot more sense.

I've played with Varun before.

Like I said, I believe beyond reasonable doubt that Varun is town and we will win soon enough if we lynch you now. Even if he isn't, I am not willing to give up and not try lynching you off, I'm not sure why you don't understand that. A town win is still 100% possible whatever way you look at it, and the three of us want to win, so we have to at least try. I maintain though that Varun is town and we will win when we get to tomorrow and lynch swirler off.

The one fatal flaw in you coming out was that we were never just going to bend over, do as you say and give you the win. The game is still on, and as townies we simply have to try our best to pick up the win. That's just how it is, and hence we have to lynch you off.

But it doesn't matter since nothing will happen seeing as Simon doesn't seem to be playing any more. Dammit I hoped he'd actually come on so I stayed up an extra half hour. What a waste!