Commonwealth Bank Series Feb-Mar 2011/12

[sifter132]

The law permits the batsman to handle the ball with his hand (the non bat holding hand). But thats to avoid injury. But here, the intention of the batsman was in doubt. He stretched his hand way too far in front of him to create the doubt that he was trying to deflect the ball away from reaching the keeper. As Dhoni says, we need clearer rules. With so much of protective gear being used these days, batsmen should wear enough protective equipment to easily take body blows, and so they should not be allowed to use their hands to keep the ball away. If you use your hands, it should be OUT!! Then the question of whether the batsman was intending to avoid injury or trying to deflect the ball doesnt come into picture.

This is the important part, and it's why it's really a 50/50 call - almost an impossible call to make. How can you guess what Hussey was intending for sure? To me he had his hand up to defend his body from the ball - but to others he had his hand up to interfere when he didn't need to. However Hussey made it look bad by putting his hand up way too early and it ended up further from his body than it needed to be. But I do agree with you about what the law should be, I think the only time the batsman should be able to handle the ball is to a) give the ball back to fielders when its stuck in his pad or lying at his feet, or b) as a reflexive defensive action eg. a wild return to the keeper that comes near the head when the batsman isn't ready. Hussey's seemed to be to defend himself, but it wasn't reflexive to me and while I can see why he was given not out under the current laws, I don't think we should be promoting that behaviour.

Interesting that some of the Indian commentators reckoned Hussey wasn't out, but many of the Aussie ones wanted it given out. Who said there was bias?

Regarding the Tendulkar incident, Lee was clearly obstructing the batsman. He knew the law (that he was perfectly OK doing it) and that he knew Sachin was headed in that direction and so he perfectly positioned himself to slow down Tendulkar. All clarity in the law here is required. If the bowler stands in the way of the batsman's direction and the fielding team runs him out, the decision should go in the batsman's favor. Today the laws of the game were scrutinised pretty hard, and they failed the test.

I think you're wrong, Lee started out going for the ball and then once it went squarer found himself in the middle not knowing where to go - if at that stage he'd kept veering wider, THEN I might have smelled a rat. But he just stopped and if anything, moved closer to the pitch. At no stage does he look to see where Tendulkar is. Is Lee some kind of Jedi who senses that he's disrupting Sachin? No. When you see the reverse angle, it's pretty clear that Lee doesn't really go far off the pitch anyway. Sachin just didn't anticipate Lee's path very well. AND...the laws say it's up to the batsman to find his way to the other end ie. the bowler is quite entitled to run where he likes, he just can't deliberately block the batsman. And while like the Hussey intent, we can't be absolutely certain that Lee didn't block Tendulkar, I think the evidence suggests that he didn't - otherwise he could have done a better job of it.

 

[SLICKR392]

Thats questionable really, maybe the fastest on the Indian team but no way is he one of the faster runners in world cricket.

One of the faster runners? Yes lad he is one of the fastest runners.

 

[Jagar]

Is Lee some kind of Jedi who senses that he's disrupting Sachin?

I certainly hope so, how cool would that be.

 

[puddleduck]

Fast bowler, handy lower order batsmen, athletic fielder, rock band guitarist, and jedi. Is there no end to this man's talents?

 

[SaiSrini]

Sachin and slow running? R u new to Sachin Tendulkar? He is a very quick runner. Also Lee after standing there crouched down on his
Legs suggesting that he wanted to not move an inch. Freezing can mean he stays standing, but he croutched which suggests it was intentional. Anyways the umpires are to blame and the law itself. Either remove protective equipment or give it out if the batsman uses his hand to stop the ball.

 

[SLICKR392]

Bleh! Screw this. Out of the series. Aussies did well, really well. Would love to see how they perform when they get to our turf.

 

[AngryPixel]

This is the important part, and it's why it's really a 50/50 call - almost an impossible call to make. How can you guess what Hussey was intending for sure? To me he had his hand up to defend his body from the ball - but to others he had his hand up to interfere when he didn't need to. However Hussey made it look bad by putting his hand up way too early and it ended up further from his body than it needed to be. But I do agree with you about what the law should be, I think the only time the batsman should be able to handle the ball is to a) give the ball back to fielders when its stuck in his pad or lying at his feet, or b) as a reflexive defensive action eg. a wild return to the keeper that comes near the head when the batsman isn't ready. Hussey's seemed to be to defend himself, but it wasn't reflexive to me and while I can see why he was given not out under the current laws, I don't think we should be promoting that behaviour.

Interesting that some of the Indian commentators reckoned Hussey wasn't out, but many of the Aussie ones wanted it given out. Who said there was bias?



I think you're wrong, Lee started out going for the ball and then once it went squarer found himself in the middle not knowing where to go - if at that stage he'd kept veering wider, THEN I might have smelled a rat. But he just stopped and if anything, moved closer to the pitch. At no stage does he look to see where Tendulkar is. Is Lee some kind of Jedi who senses that he's disrupting Sachin? No. When you see the reverse angle, it's pretty clear that Lee doesn't really go far off the pitch anyway. Sachin just didn't anticipate Lee's path very well. AND...the laws say it's up to the batsman to find his way to the other end ie. the bowler is quite entitled to run where he likes, he just can't deliberately block the batsman. And while like the Hussey intent, we can't be absolutely certain that Lee didn't block Tendulkar, I think the evidence suggests that he didn't - otherwise he could have done a better job of it.

I agree that Lee didnt do it intentionally but when they realised what has actually happened they should have taken back their appeal. This is where spirit of cricket comes. When the Bell incident happened, all English fans were cry from the top of their roof about how India cheated. Where it was out according to the rules. But India did the right thing. Here when it comes to your turn to do something in the spirit of cricket you just forget all that.

 

[Sedition]

Bleh! Screw this. Out of the series. Aussies did well, really well. Would love to see how they perform when they get to our turf.

Let's just say we won't be made to look like minnows as the Indian team have. Win or lose, at least we'll show some heart and be competitive.

And yeah, we should withdraw appeals every time a batsman makes a dumbass mistake. Bell, Thirimanne, Tendulkar.. all were at fault and all should have accepted their mistake. None of you Indians were happy about those appeals being withdrawn anyway, so get off your high horse.

and just to show how completely clueless Dhoni is, you know the guy whining about the two decisions like he knows the rules inside out, he didn't even know India were still alive in the tournament until the press informed him after the game.

 

[SLICKR392]

Let's just say we won't be made to look like minnows as the Indian team have. Win or lose, at least we'll show some heart and be competitive.

And yeah, we should withdraw appeals every time a batsman makes a dumbass mistake. Bell, Thirimanne, Tendulkar.. all were at fault and all should have accepted their mistake. None of you Indians were happy about those appeals being withdrawn anyway, so get off your high horse.

and just to show how completely clueless Dhoni is, you know the guy whining about the two decisions like he knows the rules inside out, he didn't even know India were still alive in the tournament until the press informed him after the game.

Do you think cricketers and captains are 8yr old like you are?
Press informed him? What on earth where you even watching? Barney playing with numbers?
And yeah you did! If you guys can perform so well in your turf and white wash us why couldn't you win a single TEST in the last 6 games.
Atleast we did not get all out under 100 or well should I say under 50.
You guys are born cheaters !
Why would one be happy of withdrawing !? Atleast we did do that....! Clarke talks about spirit of cricket..has he got some of that in him? NONE! At the end of Punter's career he has been a bit relaxed and mature tbh. Or well we would had an other controversial TEST series.

You would obviously show some heart, competitiveness and some Aussie filthy tricks.
End of the day...
England have got Ashes.
We have got the World Cup.
Stick with that CB series CUP! Might help you in the coming games.

 

[Sedition]

What are you talking about not winning a test in 6 games? You have our record confused with your own. India have won 2 of their last 11 tests, both against the West Indies. Australia has not lost a series since the Ashes, winning 7 of our last 11 tests. You guys were whitewashed in two series

Clarke didn't even play last night, so again you don't know what you're talking about. Just like your team, you need to try harder.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Well chill you both

@SLICKR392 - Move on, we have played so poor post world cup, we are in no situation to argue. Whatever and whoever made those mistakes in the end its a game of 10 more people who should have taken the responsibility and won us the do or die game which did not happen. We just got one excuse to hide our epic fail performance

 

[Sedition]

Blame the selectors. Guys like Rahane, Tiwary and Rahul Sharma should have played more.

Rohit Sharma might've performed better in the ODIs if he'd been in the Test XI instead of Dravid or Laxman.

Jadeja's been a bust, yet he's played all 7 ODIs, if he didn't go for a cool million in the IPL, he would've missed a few games I suspect.

 

[harishankar]

Blame the tied game for India's problems in this CB series. We got so close to Sri Lanka and Dhoni failed to finish off that game. True, we didn't lose it, but we lost 2 crucial points there. Sri Lanka has got stronger after that game and India just lost steam.

I think we are making too much of the Tendulkar run out and I don't think Lee deliberately blocked the batsman. Fact is, it was a bad single and I think he would have been out even if he had been at full stretch, probably by inches. However, Australia could have recalled Tendulkar as a goodwill gesture because Tendulkar WAS genuine hampered in his run by Lee even if unintentionally. That wasn't done and I think that has to do with Dhoni's decision to stick to his appeal in the Hussey episode.

I am more convinced about the David Hussey decision being wrong. He was clearly out handling the ball. He was nowhere close to defending his body by stretching out his arm that far. Now THAT could have turned the match around because Australia would have been 5 down for about 120 or so at that stage if it was out and we could have probably dismissed Australia for around 200.

 

[ferg512]

I would have given Hussey out, but on the Sachin run out, if that was an aussie batsman instead would you guys have any problem with it? I think not..

 

[Prithvi]

I would have given Hussey out, but on the Sachin run out, if that was an aussie batsman instead would you guys have any problem with it? I think not..

I'm sorry, but we would have called back. We called back Ian Bell for a run out which was clearly given out. India always play fair game, no matter what the result is.