darthlewis1
Club Captain
Can't wait for the beginning of this match, I just like the excitement of staying up all night to watch it then trying to not fall asleep, I just hope England win.
Dec 3-7: 2nd Test: Australia v England at the Adelaide Oval
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JonDogg
School Cricketer
The weather forecast at this stage looks good, even though it could change.
Friday____ Mainly fine. Partly cloudy. _Min 17 _ Max 30
Saturday__ Fine. Mostly sunny. ______Min 19 _ Max 32
Sunday___ Fine. Partly cloudy. ______Min 23 _ Max 33
Monday___ Mainly fine. High cloud. ___Min 18 _ Max 26
Tuesday__ Possible shower or two. ___Min 17 _ Max 25
Usually when they say possible shower here in Adelaide it most likely won't. The forecast will probably change, especially Sunday, Monday and Tuesday because it is so far out.
Friday____ Mainly fine. Partly cloudy. _Min 17 _ Max 30
Saturday__ Fine. Mostly sunny. ______Min 19 _ Max 32
Sunday___ Fine. Partly cloudy. ______Min 23 _ Max 33
Monday___ Mainly fine. High cloud. ___Min 18 _ Max 26
Tuesday__ Possible shower or two. ___Min 17 _ Max 25
Usually when they say possible shower here in Adelaide it most likely won't. The forecast will probably change, especially Sunday, Monday and Tuesday because it is so far out.
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TumTum
International Cricketer
The coach is saying that he is backing Johnson and at the same time that changes will definitely be made for the bowling. Siddle you would think is safe. So that would mean Hilfenhaus will get the chop. I must say that is tweaking dumb, lets tweaking drop the bowler who looked most likely to get a wicket 
Sums up the state of our cricket atm.
Cricket | The Ashes | Few going into bat for Mitchell Johnson
Interesting read that and they have a point, if Johnson or Hilfy are dropped they wouldn't have been shown anywhere near the leeway that our batsmen have. Johnson definitely needs to go, no way Hilfy should be the first one dropped. Harris and Bollinger are must for me with Siddle or Hilfy to take the last bowling spot.
Cricket | The Ashes | Few going into bat for Mitchell Johnson
Interesting read that and they have a point, if Johnson or Hilfy are dropped they wouldn't have been shown anywhere near the leeway that our batsmen have. Johnson definitely needs to go, no way Hilfy should be the first one dropped. Harris and Bollinger are must for me with Siddle or Hilfy to take the last bowling spot.
TumTum
International Cricketer
Same. Tbh I don't care what spinner we pick, you just have to hope that whoever it is does a good job.
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angryangy
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It wasn't green though, just soft.
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pcfan123
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like the Aussie pace attack
If Hilfy gets dropped and Johnson plays then I'll scream. Just look at my in depth stats for Hilfy. 22 balls of an out-side edge or a near miss. Mitchell Johnson only got 6 for the whole match including only 1 for the second innings.
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In all my time watching Cricket I have never seen anything as frustrating. Seriously, 1 for 517, gross.
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Or dont pick any spinner & save yourself the waste of time again from another dud performance.
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Kolkotta 2001 when Laxman & Dravid batted out the day is probably the closest for me.
used2bcool
Club Captain
I don't know, guys, whether either of the two attacks would be enough to get 20 wickets without the batters aiding them in Adelaide (whether Australia play 4 seamers or a 3 seam/1 spin combination is irrelevant I think), from what I have seen of that wicket. I can't remember a bowling side forcing a result there.
Checking cricinfo, there's some interesting results at Adelaide since 2003:
- India won there in 2003 when Australia inexplicably failed against Ajit Agarkar in the second innings after scoring heaps in the first.
- Australia beat West Indies in 2005 when Warne and Lee skittled them for just over 200 in the second innings. Both teams scored nearly 500 in the first.
- Australia won in 2006 after England died a horrible death at the hands of Warne.
- India and Australia played out a draw in 2008 that had 5 centuries, 5 half centuries, and only 27 wickets in five days. The Aussie attack was Lee, Johnson, Clark, and Hogg.
- Australia and WI played out a draw in 2009 that featured Chris Gayle's second-innings 165*, probably the best innings I've ever seen him play. The Aussie attack was Johnson, Siddle, Bollinger, and Hauritz.
- There are two demolitions of NZ in there as well, one in 2004 and one in 2008. In both the matches, NZ failed to reach 300 in either of their innings. Warne was the destroyer in 2004 and Lee in 2008.
I think that suggests that a quality spinner can exploit the wearing Adelaide track, and there's always a chance of a strange batting collapse, but those seem to be the chief reasons whenever a result has been possible at Adelaide in the recent past. Looking at the results, I would say that neither the Aussie attack is as strong as the one that forced results against WI and NZ, nor are England as weak a team as those two outfits.
Bracing myself for another draw.
Checking cricinfo, there's some interesting results at Adelaide since 2003:
- India won there in 2003 when Australia inexplicably failed against Ajit Agarkar in the second innings after scoring heaps in the first.
- Australia beat West Indies in 2005 when Warne and Lee skittled them for just over 200 in the second innings. Both teams scored nearly 500 in the first.
- Australia won in 2006 after England died a horrible death at the hands of Warne.
- India and Australia played out a draw in 2008 that had 5 centuries, 5 half centuries, and only 27 wickets in five days. The Aussie attack was Lee, Johnson, Clark, and Hogg.
- Australia and WI played out a draw in 2009 that featured Chris Gayle's second-innings 165*, probably the best innings I've ever seen him play. The Aussie attack was Johnson, Siddle, Bollinger, and Hauritz.
- There are two demolitions of NZ in there as well, one in 2004 and one in 2008. In both the matches, NZ failed to reach 300 in either of their innings. Warne was the destroyer in 2004 and Lee in 2008.
I think that suggests that a quality spinner can exploit the wearing Adelaide track, and there's always a chance of a strange batting collapse, but those seem to be the chief reasons whenever a result has been possible at Adelaide in the recent past. Looking at the results, I would say that neither the Aussie attack is as strong as the one that forced results against WI and NZ, nor are England as weak a team as those two outfits.
Bracing myself for another draw.
Hauritz just took 5fa, dear me. WAust 165 (89.2 ov, MA Beer 0*, MA Cameron 3/33) - Match over | Live Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
midgetwars
Club Captain
From memory adelaide aint' good from the middle order, wasn't it symonds and hayden that ended up saving australia??
angryangy
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On recent history, teams have to be prepared to move the game forward at Adelaide. Last year, Gayle ensured a draw by batting into day 5, but the game could have been won.
2005 and 2006 were good examples of how the pitch favours batsmen at first and then turns on them. 2008 wasn't such a good example, but Sehwag in the second innings was let off the hook and went on to score more than half India's runs. If Sehwag was dismissed cheaply and India all out in 30 fewer overs, it could have yielded a very late result.
Although England lost last time, the first innings declaration was fair and certainly not too early. Maybe from such a position, they should have been attacking harder, but it wasn't where they were unsuccessful. The point is that once the game moves in to the 3rd and 4th innings, it's almost a different game.
2005 and 2006 were good examples of how the pitch favours batsmen at first and then turns on them. 2008 wasn't such a good example, but Sehwag in the second innings was let off the hook and went on to score more than half India's runs. If Sehwag was dismissed cheaply and India all out in 30 fewer overs, it could have yielded a very late result.
Although England lost last time, the first innings declaration was fair and certainly not too early. Maybe from such a position, they should have been attacking harder, but it wasn't where they were unsuccessful. The point is that once the game moves in to the 3rd and 4th innings, it's almost a different game.
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