England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[Gaurav_7]

And why do you think so we will never see that sort of an era? How often are players like Pujara/Rahane who are technically sound but might score a tad slow rewarded than some flashers who swing their bats to almost everything? The younger generation who earlier had the Dravids and the Laxmans as their role models and wanted to play Test cricket now only have one ambition and that is to play the IPL. I am/was associated with a local club here at Pune and believe me, the mentality has changed drastically ever since the big money has come in even at smaller levels. If you see the shots of Indian batsmen, the wickets that fell over the series that is, either they couldn't resist playing their shots or the runs weren't coming easy. None of the batters is ready to stick it out in the middle, it seems. I don't blame it on the players wholly, the board is equally or mostly to be blamed for this mess! And, some part of the blame also has to go to us fans who have backed the IPL even after what it has led to!

 

[Epic]

"Dhoni took 2 good decisions yesterday, change of bowling to Ishant when Bresnan came and coming as a nightwatchman to save Jadeja and Ashwin."

 

[playkid12]

I remember that tour.It was against Sri Lanka I think.There were many stupid DRS decisions though.India always had not so great relationship with the DRS.Remember the 2.5 m case in World Cup.
Anyways ,I think any technology which can reduce errors by even a small margin should be embraced.The BCCI should really move on.They are simply being stubborn.

Bingo! It was the Sri Lanka series. You're absolutely right. I really think that series put a bad taste in the Indian team's mouth about UDRS. And the BCCI probably just backed them.

The funniest part is India benefited from the DRS in the World Cup, namely Tendulkar's LBW against Pakistan in the Semis. I honestly don't understand why the board hates DRS so much.

 

[Cricketman]

I think if this goes on, India should actually start to think of giving up their test status and just focus on the shorter formats. Will we see another Ganguly-Dravid-Tendulkar-Laxman era in Indian test cricket? Highly doubt so.... Its official! We are back to the dark 90's and it has all co-incided with the retirements of Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman (and of course an ageing and not scoring Tendulkar). That article on Cricinfo about India coming a full circle to Eden Gardens 2012 from where hey started in Eden 2001 is now ringing so true!

At least we won at home in the 90s....

 

[cerande]

Bingo! It was the Sri Lanka series. You're absolutely right. I really think that series put a bad taste in the Indian team's mouth about UDRS. And the BCCI probably just backed them.

The funniest part is India benefited from the DRS in the World Cup, namely Tendulkar's LBW against Pakistan in the Semis. I honestly don't understand why the board hates DRS so much.

And that LBW looked absolutely plumb!One more point is that compared to that series there have been many advancements.They use hotspot now.All the more reasons to switch.Not having DRS now is seriously foolish.

 

[Owzat]

Too defensive? For some reason Swann and Anderson who have four wickets between them have bowled 30 overs to 51 overs bowled by non-wicket taking Bresnan, Panesar et al.

As Panesar has bowled near twice as many overs as Swann, despite Swann taking the only wicket to fall to spin, why is he bowling twice as much? He is tighter, but surely you want to take wickets rather than keep the rate down BUT run the risk of the opposition getting a lead.................? Theoretically India bat last, but what happens if England have to bat on day five and are say 120 behind...............?

Slightly more baffling is how Bresnan 0/37 has bowled three more overs than Anderson 3/31 . While I don't expect the captain to have SRs, ERs and overs bowled etc at his fingertips and time to study them, he must know he is bowling Bresnan and Monty more than Swann and Jimmy and which took the wickets.....................

India's session, not convinced the captain is not setting up to fall. Bowling them out will stop the runs, not suggesting we go all out attack but at least use your wicket takers less sparingly.

 

[Cricketman]

OK, enough with this 2RPO business. It looks almost as if both teams have been content with playing for a draw from the first ball that was bowled this match.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Thats bullshit thinking. 2RPO and still a result could be found. Still 2 and half days left and if India are able to give a 100 run lead then surely 4th and 5th day could be interesting

 

[barmyarmy]

At this scoring rate a 100 run lead will take til after tea on day 4. Obviously third innings is vulnerable but surviving three sessions to draw is very doable.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

last 10 overs India are scoring at 4 runs an over so its way better and they will eventually kick off for sure

 

[Epic]

Think that has more to do with the new ball than any change in approach tbh...

 

[Gaurav_7]

They score quickly, you have a problem, they don't, you have a problem. Noice!!!

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Nice ton this from Kohli. 16 overs left and I feel we should atleast remove the deficit if not giving them the lead but then they wont score 60 runs in 16 overs

 

[Owzat]

At this scoring rate a 100 run lead will take til after tea on day 4. Obviously third innings is vulnerable but surviving three sessions to draw is very doable.

Still can't believe Swann has bowled TWENTY overs less than Panesar, it can only be a RR tactic to slow the game down. Unless Jimmy is injured why has the ineffectual Bresnan bowled more overs?!?!?

England have played their part in India getting into a decent position from one of weakness. What was it, 78/4 overnight? India have added 208/1 since, from 252 behind with six wickets in hand to just 44 behind with five wickets in hand.

The only plausible way for India to force the win they need was for this kind of scenario, England needed to plug away a lot more and the best way to do that is with the bowlers who have taken wickets. If India get to lunch or beyond tomorrow then England will face a nasty few sessions, both sides have managed to reduce the other to less than 120 runs on the board for 4 wickets.

I think negativity has been passed down from captain to captain, from Negative Nasser to Michael Yawn to Strauss to Cook. As I recall the last time India won in England that Yawn dallied a declaration and we ended up with a bit parter bowling at the death in a Test that would have put us 1-0 up and could have changed the course of the series. I think in that Test it was a lack of urgency in batting.

Looking at the specifics of that 1st Test in 2007, England were 264/7 after 70 overs of the 2nd innings, they batted on another 8.3 overs adding just 18 more runs. The target set of 380 was 36 more than the highest successful chase at Lords. India had four sessions to chase it, India ended 282/9 with Yawn himself bowling four overs late on (0/18) Sure England couldn't have anticipated bad weather, well short of checking a forecast , but they should have declared at around 250-260 or hit out more than at less than 2.5 runs per over.

1st Test: England v India at Lord's, Jul 19-23, 2007 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

They wouldn't have known they'd lose the next Test, but in a three Test series you have to take golden opportunities when they present themselves or this can happen. That isn't to say you take unnecessary risks, but time wasting is a cardinal sin just to eke out a few runs to get as close to 400 target/a fixed run rate as possible. Just because you are on top 1st Test, doesn't mean things will be the same in the rest of the series - eh India...........?



Of course this is likely to be a bore draw, but England could have made a better fist of keeping India down. This is like going 1-0 up after two minutes and sitting back for 88..................

 

[Adarsh]

Wow, he was an inch short of a 100, after batting for 250 balls. It's a shame...feel sorry for anyone who gets out like that, but this game wouldn't be what it is without moments like this.