England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[AbhishekS]

For tests, yes. Replace MSD with Dinesh Karthik or Parthiv Patel. But you cannot keep him out of the limited overs format. And today's brilliant knock seals his position as a skipper in ODIs and T20s for at least the coming 12 months or so.

 

[Epic]

Surely Saha is better than both of 'em?

 

[Aalay]

I don't think Saha is still good enough and I would go for Dinesh Karthik. Even though he does tend to get a bit excited but as long as he is making decent runs and does good in WK position, I have no problem. However, I want to see Kohli as captain, not Gambhir.

 

[Slowcoach]

The biggest factor in this series was that England actually took preparation seriously and played enough tour matches to acclimatise to the conditions. Their best preparation for a tour of the subcontinent since 1984/5...and look at the result.
This is not a go at India, it is something all Test nations should look at it, if you want to win then you have to prepare adequately or you will be playing catch up all tour.
A first ball duck on a greentop in England is not adequate preparation for a Test series on seaming pitches in foreign conditions, nor is a gritty 15 on a turner against some no-namer on a tour of Sri Lanka.

 

[MUFC1987]

More to the point, India allowed the English batsmen to get some runs in these conditions, without having to face a spinner in the warm up games. All the batsmen spent plenty of time getting used to the pitch, knocking medium pacers about for fun. Had India bowled spin at them in the warmup games and never let them settle, it could have been so different,

Like when teams come to England, we don't give them spinners to face on green tops so they can get used to the pitches, we give them bowlers who will get the most out of the conditions and send them back for single figures, rather than letting them get comfortable.

 

[bigred]

I'm a bit worried about England's side for this ODI series. There is only four or five players missing and yet that seems to make us look a lot weaker on paper. The tem will probably look like this:

Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Morgan
Patel
Kieswetter
Buttler
Bresnan
Tredwell
Finn
Dernbach.

Think we'll need Finn to fire with the ball, and the top 4 need to score heavy runs.

 

[MUFC1987]

I'd like to think we'd drop Patel, play Woakes at 7 and go with both Tredwell and Briggs as spin bowlers, with Finn and Bresnan to open the bowling. I think you're a lot closer to being right though. I just hope they bat Buttler at 6 rather than putting him above Kieswetter, which is just crazy.

 

[War]

More to the point, India allowed the English batsmen to get some runs in these conditions, without having to face a spinner in the warm up games. All the batsmen spent plenty of time getting used to the pitch, knocking medium pacers about for fun. Had India bowled spin at them in the warmup games and never let them settle, it could have been so different,

Like when teams come to England, we don't give them spinners to face on green tops so they can get used to the pitches, we give them bowlers who will get the most out of the conditions and send them back for single figures, rather than letting them get comfortable.

Hmm i'm not sure. I'm fairly sure given england uncomfortable year facing spin before the series, england would have wanted to face something close to india's second string test spin attack at some point in the warm-ups - instead of the joke domestic bowlers, even though they got a lot of time in the middle.

And i'm sure they were worried india's fairly smart tactic was working after the 1st innings collapse in ahmedabad & i'd wager if it was kumble/harbhajan bowling at their peaks instead of ojha/ashwin - england would have found it found it hard to recover.

But the reason england's batsmen were able to step up from the poor 1st innings @ ahemedabad was because they exposed the ojha/ashwin for not being as great a pairing on home pitches as india had hoped.

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I'm a bit worried about England's side for this ODI series. There is only four or five players missing and yet that seems to make us look a lot weaker on paper. The tem will probably look like this:

Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Morgan
Patel
Kieswetter
Buttler
Bresnan
Tredwell
Finn
Dernbach.

Think we'll need Finn to fire with the ball, and the top 4 need to score heavy runs.

Think England could have sharpen up on the balance of their odi team for this series & upcoming series in new zealand, by excluding a few players and including some others.

- Firstly with Hales batting so well & looking like the attacking odi opener, england have been seeking since trescothick left - i don't think the experiment of opening with bell or pietersen needs to continue.

- With Buttler batting this well in the # 6 role, this series should be almost a last chance saloon for kieswetter. But for them to already pick the squad for n-zealand with kieswetter in it is odd, since a struggle from him in india & further solidity from Buttler would mean he has to go.

- Bresnan should be dropped for the odi team. His shoulder injury has curtailed his effectiveness across all formats. I would pick Peter Trego in the odi team, who was the rated the best all-rounder during the last english season - he is perfect for odi's. While also putting more confidence in woakes.

Best ENG ODI team:

Cook
Hales
Trott
KP
Morgan
Trego
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn

Back-ups: Anderson, Bell, Dernbach/Meaker, Patel

 

[MUFC1987]

I just don't see Buttler being consistent enough with the gloves to keep in 50 over games. I think in T20s you can get away with it more, but he's just not good enough with the gloves yet to have the role in ODIs for me. I don't really see what Kieswetter has done wrong either. He's averaged 30 odd batting way down the order, which is not his game at all, it's hardly his fault that he's been so badly used.

Also can't see Bell being dropped, especially now Giles is in charge. A top 4 of Cook, Bell, Trott and KP beckons for the next world Cup, which is scary frankly.

 

[War]

Fair enough on Buttler for now. But he has this ODI series vs India to answer those questions about his keeping especially.

Kieswetter hasn't done much wrong, but he hasn't exactly taken full advantage of his role as an odi opener, which is why in 2012 kp & bell opened with cook & kieswetter dropped down to # 6.

So now if Buttler were to bring his t20 batting into the odi team as finisher - kieswetter would be under more pressure, unless he bats really well in india.

Don't mind the top 4 of Cook, Bell, Trott, KP. Certainly is solid, just reckon that Hales should be involved in the odi team.

 

[MUFC1987]

I just don't see the need to complicate Buttler's game. Anyone at Somerset has seen him take apart every bowling attack in the country. The guy has ability and batting behind Morgan, I think we could have something special with those two. He's a decent keeper at County level and as I said, you can get away with that in the T20s, but just let the guy be a batsman, he's damn good at it.

My thoughts on KP and Bell taking over from Kieswetter are the same as they always have been. Kieswetter wasn't allowed to take his time and score big runs (like he did during his first ton) he was expected to go out and score quickly. Suddenly though, Bell and KP are allowed to take their time and score at their own pace, yet Kieswetter got written off before he had that chance. Again, he's another batsman who's been scoring runs for fun domestically, he's good enough, sure he's had a few bad patches, but that's to be expected. He'll be back for me and he should not be written off at this stage. With Buttler and Baitstow not needing to 'keep to get in the side, Kieswetter is the best we have and that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing.

 

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Think England could have sharpen up on the balance of their odi team for this series & upcoming series in new zealand, by excluding a few players and including some others.

- Firstly with Hales batting so well & looking like the attacking odi opener, england have been seeking since trescothick left - i don't think the experiment of opening with bell or pietersen needs to continue.

- With Buttler batting this well in the # 6 role, this series should be almost a last chance saloon for kieswetter. But for them to already pick the squad for n-zealand with kieswetter in it is odd, since a struggle from him in india & further solidity from Buttler would mean he has to go.

- Bresnan should be dropped for the odi team. His shoulder injury has curtailed his effectiveness across all formats. I would pick Peter Trego in the odi team, who was the rated the best all-rounder during the last english season - he is perfect for odi's. While also putting more confidence in woakes.

Best ENG ODI team:

Cook
Hales
Trott
KP
Morgan
Trego
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn

Back-ups: Anderson, Bell, Dernbach/Meaker, Patel

Think Woakes is a good shout, but I honestly believe his batting is better than his bowling, so would bump him up to 7. With this team, Trego would have to bowl his 10 overs the majority of the time, unless you want to see KP or trotty getting smacked. Don't think Trego would be up to that against some of the better batsman around the world.

Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Trott
Morgan
Prior
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

I think this would be a side I would be looking towards playing at the world cup. With the two new balls rule now in place, I think that you want 4 proper opening bowlers to take advantage.

Others that I'd want around the squad in the coming years would be Buttler, Topley, Stokes, Billings, Meaker, Bairstow, Briggs, Roland-Jones, Hales and Ballance.

 

[crazyrahul]

What changes in the Indian team you are looking forward for the upcoming ODI series against England???

 

[Abishak11]

This time india will win this odi series against england
Sehwag will smash once more 200 in this series

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For tests, yes. Replace MSD with Dinesh Karthik or Parthiv Patel. But you cannot keep him out of the limited overs format. And today's brilliant knock seals his position as a skipper in ODIs and T20s for at least the coming 12 months or so.

MSD IS BETTER THAN THESE GUYS (Dinesh Karthik or Parthiv Patel)

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

what has MSD done that he's even remotely close to being dropped?

ok, you can debate the merits of his captaincy but his batting? even in tests, his weaker format, he was still better than tendulkar, sehwag and gambhir last year.