England in India

Who will win this series?

  • India win both tests and ODIs

    Votes: 74 52.5%
  • India wins Tests, England wins ODIs

    Votes: 6 4.3%
  • England wins Tests, India wins ODIs

    Votes: 15 10.6%
  • Test Series Drawn, India wins ODIs

    Votes: 27 19.1%
  • Test Series Drawn, England wins ODIs

    Votes: 5 3.5%
  • England win both tests and ODIs

    Votes: 14 9.9%

  • Total voters
    141
newzolt said:
Mohali wicket will bring a result.


You don't drop catches everyday(5 on a single day).Compared to the English, the home team is better equipped to play in these conditions.On the Nagpur pitch the ball wasn't doing a lot.Mohali eventhough traditionally favouring the pacers does have a good record for the spinners in the recent years.So far England haven't been tested against spin on a turner of 4th or 5th day.Harbhajan has a good record on this ground.

ABSOLUTELY!

newzolt said:
I suppose it's an even contest from now on.

Definitely! The English team has proved that they can fiercely contest with India even though they have lost key players like Vaughan, Trescothick and Jones. So the contest should heat up much more.

I personally am expecting the come back of Yuvraj who has become one of my most favorite players in this Indian attack! He is awesome and I hope he extends his form against England! He is my equivalent to Saurav Ganguly, classical and full of aggression!

Kratz said:
I don't know about the next match but I feel we definitely have a good chance of winning the 3rd test. I agree with sohum... 3 spinners: Chawla, Bhajji and Kumble with I Pathan is going to rock the English line-up just like we did to the Aussie in 2004, I think. It's going to be difficult to score even 200 on that pitch I think.

Dont expect a repeat of Mumbai 2004 always! After such criticism for that pitch, I feel we might not get a similar one to that though we might get a turner for sure. In fact in 2001 against Australia, we got a good hard wicket on the first day on which India capitulated for 176 with Sachin being the lone scorer with 50+. Australia won by 10 wickets in that match!

varunvgiri said:
Instead you go on blaming chapell. Can you tell me why the selection committee would listen blindly and be prepared to come under a lot of flak just because the 'coach said so'. Lets face it, Chapell has no political lobby in India. Nobody will do such a thing because Chapell wanted it so. The coach has never had much of a say in team selection in India.

You really think the coach has very little say in selection matters?
 
saisrini80 said:
ABSOLUTELY!



Definitely! The English team has proved that they can fiercely contest with India even though they have lost key players like Vaughan, Trescothick and Jones. So the contest should heat up much more.

I personally am expecting the come back of Yuvraj who has become one of my most favorite players in this Indian attack! He is awesome and I hope he extends his form against England! He is my equivalent to Saurav Ganguly, classical and full of aggression!



Dont expect a repeat of Mumbai 2004 always! After such criticism for that pitch, I feel we might not get a similar one to that though we might get a turner for sure. In fact in 2001 against Australia, we got a good hard wicket on the first day on which India capitulated for 176 with Sachin being the lone scorer with 50+. Australia won by 10 wickets in that match!



You really think the coach has very little say in selection matters?



You think Kiran More and team will make such a controversial move just because the 'coach said so'. He has his opinions there. But they are hardly binding. The selectors have their own opinions guided by their own reasons.
 
varunvgiri said:
Ganguly is better than Laxman and Sehwag... what did u smoke??? :rolleyes:.


How many innings to really remember(Please dont go counting his centuries) has Ganguly had in test cricket. The only ones I remember are on debut and that one in Australia) How many does Laxman and Sehwag does. The fact of the matter is that Ganguly was never a good Test player. If you remove his home record against newzealand and srilanka, the guy doesnt even average 35.

But I agree that he was a great ODI player. Majority of his great innings are in ODI cricket. He has hit quite a number of centuries and won matches for India. But in the end his slow batting( talking about recent times) has cost India some matches.So he doesnt deserve a place at all.


And you keep calling the selection committee names.... Do you realize why they are never gonna pick him again. Its because they never wanted to pick him for the Pakistan tour. They wanted to pick him if and only if he performed in the domestic competition. But that was not the case. The fact is Ganguly as usual played petty politics and forced the selectors to pick him. They did it but but not because of their own liking....


Once the political pressure weakened( I think it was just agrement between pawar and Ganguly for the tour to pakistan), they hated the guy for forcing that decision on them. So they decided not to pick him again. as he did not make anything that special on the tour to pak.


Instead you go on blaming chapell. Can you tell me why the selection committee would listen blindly and be prepared to come under a lot of flak just because the 'coach said so'. Lets face it, Chapell has no political lobby in India. Nobody will do such a thing because Chapell wanted it so. The coach has never had much of a say in team selection in India.

on what basis did More stated that they won't "pick Ganguly at all! no matter how good he plays".
That clearly tells you the role of politics/prejudice in BCCI and cricket in India.

Its true, he cannot replace any player in the current team, purely based on performance. Laxman played an important knock in Pakistan, but clearly struggled against swing.

The coach has a very significant say in the selection. It always does. Coach and the captain are the most important factors. It was very clear in the past articles, You want Chappel or Ganguly, and BCCI has, so far, went for Chappell.
Indeed, these selectors are a bunch of jokers.

You don't throw away talent and experience just like that. Gilchrist has been struggling, for a while now. Since the Ashes, he has never performed consistently. Same goes with McGrath, his performance in the test series against SA and the VB series are quite dismal (for his talent). Couple of composed innings in Tests and some good knocks in domestic level won't purchase Ganguly a test spot (or even just the consideration), then what will?

If he performs, he has to be back. I don't want, nobody wants a player in their team who doesn't perform well.

If Ganguly does perform, consistently, then More/co. should select him. His so called "arrogant attitude", according to several team mates has changed.

I like Chappell's way of handling this topic. One side, he barks at Ganguly, and at the other side he praises Tendulkar...just to maintain the equilibruim...smart thinking indeed! :cool:

If this is going to be the case in INdia, where even you do your job/work hard and yet fail to reap the reward, it won't be a surprise in the future if teh team fails consistently. We need to shed this prejudice and stinking politics for something better. Make the game fair for everyone.

To India-England series,
If Laxman stays in the 11, i'm sure Dravid will send him 1-down, we have seen this happen many times. It was good to see Tendulkar attacking...thats the way he plays, and I, now..get the feeling that he puts unnecessary burden on himself, especially when the team is down.
Sehwag will be hungry for runs, he will need to spend more time in the crease. I don't thinkt he bowling attack will be different this time...though.
You think Kiran More and team will make such a controversial move just because the 'coach said so'. He has his opinions there. But they are hardly binding. The selectors have their own opinions guided by their own reasons.


You think Kiran More and team will make such a controversial move just because the 'coach said so'. He has his opinions there. But they are hardly binding. The selectors have their own opinions guided by their own reasons.

what reasons? Ganguly had a fight with him sometime in the past? Ganguly has been Dalmiya's favourite? Pawar said so?
Or is it just "Ganguly's performance is nothing to brag about"

He has played two "test matches", scored 45+ in two innings and 35+ in two innings. Agreed. Not the score you expect of him, you want bigger one's. But it is not the legitimate reason.
If Chappell says past performances do not matter selection, then why do the keep saying that Ganguly has been in bad form? He hasn't and he showed that. He needs big scores.

Enough said about him. It is a situation we need to be ashamed of, an unfair treatment on players purely based on prejudice and personal reasons.
 
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ZoraxDoom said:
Well, he's the only one out of form from Sachin, Dravid, Yuvi and Kaif. And we need two specialist openers.
So, yea :)

Kaif did well for the first time this season (remeber he playd the ODI's as well)

Laxman had a great ball his way,so I do think better sense would prevail and Laxman would be selcted.

HE has got a 100 , 90 nd some other good innings this season so dont see him being dopped for Kaif who has played for the first time this season.
 
I just think one between Chappell and Ganguly will eventually have to go. Right now it might seem its the latter, but I think a few more consistent performances in the domestic scene will force the selectors to give him a recall, and that coupled with a few bad performances by the national side, could hand Greg the axe.
 
ronny_kingsley said:
A fact :
"England played to thier full potential and still could not dismantle Indians who were well below thier par.So something for the English think tank to ponder over"


You're good at spouting rubbish.

Full potential?

No runs from Bell.
Drops from Jones.
No Tres, Vaughan and Jones.
Harmison out of poor form.
Blackwell doing nothing.

Need I go on?

England haven't been at full potential since 2004.
We were below par in the Ashes imo.

So we play spin badly?

Indian spinners took 1 more wicket.

Bowled more Overs.

Have 700 wickets between them.

Two of the best spinners in world cricket, didn't do much better though.
Ok, the pitch wasn't great but still, we played spin well and Monty did well.
 
Couldnt agree more Sureshot.

Anyone tell me why the indian comentator kept calling Ian Blackwell, Black, and also he stated that when India started to hit a few more runs that England had hit the panic button ?:( I dont think so.
 
He's an Indian commentator mate. Expect him to be a bit biased :) And Black seems easier to say then Blackwell...

England did ply at full potential in the Ashes. Or atleast 90%. But India was at about 55%...

The next match should be fun :)
 
I think he should be called blacky, although i can see problems with that.
 
Sureshot said:
You're good at spouting rubbish.

Full potential?

No runs from Bell.
Drops from Jones.
No Tres, Vaughan and Jones.
Harmison out of poor form.
Blackwell doing nothing.

Need I go on?

England haven't been at full potential since 2004.
We were below par in the Ashes imo.

So we play spin badly?

Indian spinners took 1 more wicket.

Bowled more Overs.

Have 700 wickets between them.

Two of the best spinners in world cricket, didn't do much better though.
Ok, the pitch wasn't great but still, we played spin well and Monty did well.


No runs from Bell ,nobody expected him to quite frankly.

Ditto for Jones ,not a great keeper and nobody was surprised that he dropped catches. Atul Wassan summed it up quie nicely

He said "Jones alongwith Jackson are the only two guys in the world who wear gloves for no apparent reason"

Poor form no excuse England should not have picked him and should then drop him for next match if thats the case.

Blackwell wasnt there for doing something,he was there to fill in the numbers I assume.


Your second part defies your point.English players spin as well as they could and still they didnt win.

Any more clarifactions needed dude ?????????
 
ronny_kingsley said:
No runs from Bell ,nobody expected him to quite frankly.

Ditto for Jones ,not a great keeper and nobody was surprised that he dropped catches. Atul Wassan summed it up quie nicely

He said "Jones alongwith Jackson are the only two guys in the world who wear gloves for no apparent reason"

Poor form no excuse England should not have picked him and should then drop him for next match if thats the case.

Blackwell wasnt there for doing something,he was there to fill in the numbers I assume.


Your second part defies your point.English players spin as well as they could and still they didnt win.

Any more clarifactions needed dude ?????????
Bell was expected to be one of the top run scorers for England in the series. He was the highest runscorer in Pakistan.

Jones is highly underrated, and despite having stiff competition from Read and Prior, is still believed to be the best option England have. Even MS Dhoni wasnt particularly good behind the stumps in the match.

Blackwell was picked because he strengthened the batting llineup and is well capable of bowling. Its a different thing he couldnt quite click in this game. Everyone cant have start like Panesar and Cook.

And England dint win the match because India were playing for a draw.
 
m_vaughan said:
Bell was expected to be one of the top run scorers for England in the series. He was the highest runscorer in Pakistan.

Jones is highly underrated, and despite having stiff competition from Read and Prior, is still believed to be the best option England have. Even MS Dhoni wasnt particularly good behind the stumps in the match.

Blackwell was picked because he strengthened the batting llineup and is well capable of bowling. Its a different thing he couldnt quite click in this game. Everyone cant have start like Panesar and Cook.

And England dint win the match because India were playing for a draw.

Nicely put. :cheers

Ronny, what do you mean "Your second part defies your point"???!!!
 
IMO i like blackwell and i think he's a good option lower order batsmen who can bowl some usefull slow left arm, mainly in the one day game. Im of the opinion that hes ok, and just needs the confidence of a fair chance at a run in the team.
 
I was going to dignify you with a response, but I can't be bothered because you talk so much crap, Ronny. Plus I think m_vaughan summed it up pretty well.
 
The_gas said:
I think he should be called blacky, although i can see problems with that.

Yes there may well be a problem with that, but surely if it his is nickname, such as Freddie, Harmy, Hoggy, etc. It should be used as it sounds better then, 'Here comes Black upto bowl' :(
 

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