England tour of India (5 Tests)

T.J.Hooker II

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I think it says something that a lot of England's greats are guys who specialise in trying to rescue games from imminent collapse.

Sooner or later it defaults back to some sort of charge of the light brigade type action because the top order came up short.
 

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"India Seals Series Victory with Dominant Win over England in Dharmsala" India clinched a resounding series win, defeating England by an innings and 64 runs in the fifth match at the Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association (HPCA) stadium. Ravichandran Ashwin etched his name in history, joining spin greats Muttiah Muralidaran, Shane Warne, and Anil Kumble by claiming a five-wicket haul in his 100th Test. Ashwin's exceptional performance saw him take nine wickets in the match, dismantling England's batting order as they were dismissed for 195. Despite Joe Root's valiant 84 off 128 balls, England faltered against India's dominance, with Root being the final wicket to fall.
 

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At the end of the day, winning in India is just a massive step beyond any team in the world’s capability. To win that one test in the manner that we did is something we can be immensely proud of. As well as the fact that in quite a few of the other games we were on top for decent spells that if one or two things went slightly differently could have resulted in a completely different looking series. This last test, the series was gone and it was the end of a long tour and you could tell but there is no need for a witch hunt. We can take massive lessons from this series and be fairly proud of what we’ve done with the limited talent we have out there. I don’t believe in the notion that we’ve bottled it against an Indian B team cause realistically any player who’s in like in India’s top 5 teams could walk into any international team in the world cause they come from the biggest cricketing loving nation and the richest cricket board in the world so ofc even if they are on debut, they are going to be seriously good talents. Our spinners have bowled well above their stations, our openers continue to show they are a great combo. Our middle order has been frail yes and have been poor but also quite a lot of the time they are starting against an old ball against the deadliest spin attack in the world, it’s a hard job to do. This performance this series despite it being the same outcome was miles better than what we did last time we came over. We go again next time, in Baz and Stokesy we trust.
 

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It's interesting when you look at overseas players (4-7) over the last ten years. Overall average is 26.17 (for those who have batted more than five times). Stokes is actually above that and has the exact same average as Steve Smith. But Smith's highest score is 38, Stokes has one century and four 50s. So, Stokes has been average but also as good as the best player of the generation. That kind of sums up Stokes' batting career perfectly.

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It's interesting when you look at overseas players (4-7) over the last ten years. Overall average is 26.17 (for those who have batted more than five times). Stokes is actually above that and has the exact same average as Steve Smith. But Smith's highest score is 38, Stokes has one century and four 50s. So, Stokes has been average but also as good as the best player of the generation. That kind of sums up Stokes' batting career perfectly.

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There’s something wrong with this if it isn’t counting Smudge’s extraordinary 2017 centuries.

EDIT - they were all when he batted at three. Kinda renders the entire argument moot. :p
 

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I have never watched Lees play. Just saw the photos of Google of him playing the shots. Something about that screams Alastair Cook to me.

What do the England fans make of him as a player?
 

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I have never watched Lees play. Just saw the photos of Google of him playing the shots. Something about that screams Alastair Cook to me.

What do the England fans make of him as a player?

I don’t really think he’s playing for England again.
 

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4-1 it is then. England really had India gasping for air for the first 2.5 Tests but I reckon that is where things started to change. For England, Root going back to usual style of play at the back end of the series, Crawley's consistent 50s (though he would want to convert them to big scores), their spinners (who at point were outbowling Indian spinners) were the biggest positives. There were a few flashes of brilliance in between via Pope's 190 and Duckett's quickfire century but they didn't seem to persist with those. I feel if England had won the crucial moments of the 2nd and second half of the 3rd Test, the scoreline would have looked different. But the 4th and 5th Tests were testament to India wrestling back the initiative from them.

Stokes, Pope, Duckett and Bairstow's batting must be the biggest concern for them right now. However, I do not expect any changes in that aspect. The management have shown a tendency to back their under-fire players and I do not see that changing anytime soon.

India's debutants flourished in the series but it would be interesting to see how they fare overseas should they get a chance again. VK and KLR will walk back into the team for the next engagement for sure, so who would make way for them? Kuldeep has been the biggest plus for India (Ash and Jaddu were expected to have a strong showing anyway) as far as bowling is concerned. They also have another spinner now who can hold his bat - this added with what Axar can do too has made our lower order batting quite strong at least in home conditions.

On another note, I kind of feel perhaps 5 matches is a bit too long for a series. 2 is criminal, 3 is okay, 4 seems to hit the sweet spot. We have usually seen one team run out of steam at the fag end of the series (especially when the series is already decided). Have seen it happen during Ashes as well though I doubt it will ever be trimmed down to 4 Tests. However, the Ind-Eng or Ind-Aus series seem to be much better if it's kept to 4 Tests at max.
 

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