English Football Thread 2012/2013

Who will win the 2012/13 Premier League?

  • Manchester City

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Manchester Utd

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • Arsenal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Spurs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Newcastle

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Chelsea

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Everton

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36
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A Bradford vs Swansea fan is why the League Cup is in existence, I believe this is a chance for both to get some of their first silverware in the history, no? They aren't going to do that anywhere else and smaller teams deserve a chance. Bradford especially deserve it.

It is however pointless for teams like Chelsea and Liverpool, I'd also find it very disappointing if our first trophy in however many years is the Capitol One Cup...

Ye basically. Fact is since the premier league era begun in 1992, the major english clubs have treated the league cup as a irritant.

Many clubs who would never win the league have caused upsets and won the fa cup over the years like what going on in the capital one cup this season. Portsmouth & Cardiff city were in the 2008 fa cup final for example.

Its a useless competition that just clogs up the english football calendar every season, in which a winter break would be better off being in place.
 
Well atleast this cup has something to play for in the Europa League. In Portugal, they have a League Cup for absolutely nothing - a competition Benfica keep winning time and again playing their full strength side!
 
Ye basically. Fact is since the premier league era begun in 1992, the major english clubs have treated the league cup as a irritant.

Many clubs who would never win the league have caused upsets and won the fa cup over the years like what going on in the capital one cup this season. Portsmouth & Cardiff city were in the 2008 fa cup final for example.

Its a useless competition that just clogs up the english football calendar every season, in which a winter break would be better off being in place.

I don't want a winter break. I hate international breaks, which are only two weeks without a league game, as it is. The Christmas and New Year football is brilliant and I don't want it to end.
 
Well atleast this cup has something to play for in the Europa League. In Portugal, they have a League Cup for absolutely nothing - a competition Benfica keep winning time and again playing their full strength side!

Ye thats one of the reasons why at times the scheduling & structuring of the europa league makes the competition hard to understand & also a bit of irritant too at times. Under to old uefa cup system that never happened if i recall correctly.

However we know the deal, none of the major euro leagues such a la liga, serie a, bundesliga have a tournament equivalent in length to the carling/capitol one cup - its useless. The Premiership & FA Cup is all the tournaments the english season needs.

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I don't want a winter break. I hate international breaks, which are only two weeks without a league game, as it is. The Christmas and New Year football is brilliant and I don't want it to end.

Yes Sir Skater i have heard your premise that you dislike international football etc, but i hate to disappoint you in noting that club football isn't the only thing form of football that is played in the world. There is something called the world cup, which is the still the most prestigious football tournament in the world, that england have many teams in the world want to win.

Also with regards to the winter break, i do agree that i would like to keep the christmas & new years football. I look forward to that annually in england as much as the boxing day & new years cricket tests in australia.

So once a winter break comes to england we dont have to copy europe verbatim & stop before christmas - england can have it for 2 weeks sometime in january.
 
I'm with Skater. The winter period is a staple part of British football that excites the fans and can make or break a teams season. Not to mention if we actually introduced a break, that would be one less excuse at the end of the season for why our national team failed again :lol
 
Ignoring England national team fortunes & it can make or break a teams season because its a dumb slog. A team like everton even if they keep there stars this january transfer window could still miss out on what could be a deserved champions league place/europa because come may, their thin squad will be knackered

Thus bigger squads like arsenal, liverpool who will be able to rest key players during the worst period of our winter more often than everton - could conceivably topple them.

Playing football non stop during this period is not the greatest thing, lets not kid ourselves even Man United thanks to their riches have taken the opportunity to escape these conditions for a week in qatar - Manchester United put through their paces at Qatar training camp... but what are Van Persie and co doing wearing a tea-towel kit? | Mail Online. Something they could have done much easier if a set winter break was in the calendar.
 
The big teams also invariably have Champions league and Europe to play as well, so it all balances itself out really. Mata is still turning in quality performances and the guy has barely had a break for 3 years. All much ado about nothing.
 
The Europa league stress has been a new problem of the last 2-3 years maybe, since in the old uefa cup we never had that crazy situation where for example teams from england who were knocked out of the champ league 1st round - had to drop back into the europa tournament.

So you add stress that to the useless carling cup & no winter break & the big club english players (united, chelsea, pool, city, gunners, spurs) play an unnecessary amount of football. And it should highlight why the fa has to make a change - no point fighting uefa.

I wouldn't really consider foreign players in the league at the big clubs so much like mata or past foreign legends like henry, fabregas, vieira, bergkamp, drogba etc etc because they didn't grow up in this system & most of them didn't stay in england forever but went away to less intense leagues at some point or played in before in such en route to playing in the premiership.

Mata although due to club & country commitments hasn't had much of a break in the last 3 years indeed, has just had one full season in england. He was at valencia in much less intense spain league most of time - so compared to someone like walcott, lampard, gerrard who have played in england there entire careers would not have played as much football/exerted as much energy as those blokes i'd wager.
 
Kicking a child in the ribs has to be a new low even for a footballer. Can he be prosecuted for assault?
Just to be clear I've not actually seen the incident and I believe Chelsea are claiming he was trying to kick the ball and missed. That would only work for Torres though...
 
It did seem like he was being needlessly aggressive but I do believe he kicked him by accident while trying to get the ball. Also, the ballboy made a meal of it.

"Being a ballboy is a hazardous job these days" Ha!
 
I wondered the same about assault and whether a footballer might finally have to answer charges outside the insulated game it is. However I also haven't seen it, and it's difficult to tell at the moment whether it was genuine force or not. Eithe way, the ban will stand and potentially get added to.

I forgot I had you on ignore War. I would engage in a discussion about it, but I'm not a fan of people who discriminate... Carry on, nothing to see... Except, perhaps it's the system they've been bought up in rather than the one they now play in if so many other nationalities adjust to ours and seem fine for their country...

Maybe take a look at the one you grew up in and consider if there's any subtle similarities I'm hinting at...
 
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