English Football Thread 2012/2013

[shravi]

Even when excuses are offered up for his behaviour, phrases such as ?he dives because he?s adjusting to the Premier League? are usually wheeled out.

The subtext here is Suarez only cheats because he?s a foreigner. The chap?s from Uruguay, you see? I mean, you could probably stand around for long enough in South America and see people doing that sort of thing on the streets. Those pesky Latinos just don?t understand the British game.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...excuses-Why-Luis-Suarez-cheat--DES-KELLY.html

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

tbh, I like to think I'm pretty quick to call people on racism. but firstly, I've seen Bale called a cheat numerous times and indeed, now he's got such a rep he doesn't get free kicks when he's fouled sometimes. secondly, there are more foreigners in the premier league than their are british players, if it is because suarez is foreign, it's a bit of an arbitrary choice. thirdly, suarez is an appalling human being. he's gained headlines wherever he's played, from head butting refs as a junior, biting players at ajax, deliberate hand balls at the world cup, and has amassed a reputations for deliberatelty studding and stamping on opponents, and directing racism at them in little over a season in england.

if anything, calling him for diving is roughly equivalent of criticising hitler for having a bad moustache.

fourthly, this article has already been written before by others in a far cleverer way.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

tbh, I like to think I'm pretty quick to call people on racism. but firstly, I've seen Bale called a cheat numerous times and indeed, now he's got such a rep he doesn't get free kicks when he's fouled sometimes. secondly, there are more foreigners in the premier league than their are british players, if it is because suarez is foreign, it's a bit of an arbitrary choice. thirdly, suarez is an appalling human being. he's gained headlines wherever he's played, from head butting refs as a junior, biting players at ajax, deliberate hand balls at the world cup, and has amassed a reputations for deliberatelty studding and stamping on opponents, and directing racism at them in little over a season in england.

if anything, calling him for diving is roughly equivalent of criticising hitler for having a bad moustache.

fourthly, this article has already been written before by others in a far cleverer way.

I had no idea Suarez did all that; I thought he was just a cheating racist, but that other stuff really crosses the line!

 

[shravi]

I will not get into the whole racism debate with you because I will not agree with you (not as a Liverpool fan, just as someone who understands this case differently- willing to discuss over PM) and it will just end in walls of text where neither of us bother to read what the other is saying (and on a touchy subject where with such strong opinions I may end up publicly saying something altogether offensive that I don't mean).

The other stuff you have mentioned are mistakes he has made, but he can't exactly take them back. However, this season (apart from admitting to diving vs Stoke) has shown that he is at least trying to change. Headbutting refs at a junior level? Didn't Fellaini headbutt Shawcross 3 times in one game at the senior level? Reputation for stamping and studding? What? You mean that once in the Europa League vs Zenit when he wasn't charged? Or the Ashley Williams book, where he just wrote provocative things to make more money? Deliberate handballs at a World Cup? I am certain most players would have done the same and I think that many have come out and said so. All of this is not to say that just because someone else did the same thing or worse justifies what Suarez did, because it doesn't. However, it is misguided to think that he is alone, or with little company.

 

[Haarithan]

David Moyes: "We work together as a team. We don't finger anybody. I might do it in the dressing room but I certainly won't do it publicly."

 

[puddleduck]

The beauty of football is people chant and worship people who are disgusting human beings. They also normally villify some genuinely good people.

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David Moyes: "We work together as a team. We don't finger anybody. I might do it in the dressing room but I certainly won't do it publicly."

Haha. His wife must be a very bitter woman.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

lovely chap.

 

[Auwais]

He is truely unique. I'm not sure whether it's the Messiah nature of Liverpool fans or just general football fan bias but their passionate defensiveness around him is strange.

If he was a third choice keeper like Itandje was, he would've been lynched and booted out by now.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I will not get into the whole racism debate with you because I will not agree with you (not as a Liverpool fan, just as someone who understands this case differently- willing to discuss over PM) and it will just end in walls of text where neither of us bother to read what the other is saying (and on a touchy subject where with such strong opinions I may end up publicly saying something altogether offensive that I don't mean).

The other stuff you have mentioned are mistakes he has made, but he can't exactly take them back. However, this season (apart from admitting to diving vs Stoke) has shown that he is at least trying to change. Headbutting refs at a junior level? Didn't Fellaini headbutt Shawcross 3 times in one game at the senior level? Reputation for stamping and studding? What? You mean that once in the Europa League vs Zenit when he wasn't charged? Or the Ashley Williams book, where he just wrote provocative things to make more money? Deliberate handballs at a World Cup? I am certain most players would have done the same and I think that many have come out and said so. All of this is not to say that just because someone else did the same thing or worse justifies what Suarez did, because it doesn't. However, it is misguided to think that he is alone, or with little company.

that's just clearly wrong, isn't it? the guy is clearly a tool on the pitch. Amazing player but he'd sell his grandmother to the devil to win a throw-in. The only reason you're defending him is because you support liverpool and can't reconcile the fact your worship someone with such and obviously dubious moral code.

Personally I don't think Suarez is a racist. It doesn't really make sense for someone who would have played with and against so many black players in his career for (and pardon the pun) him to only show his true colours in that one match. What likely happened is due to the gravitas of the game he said some stuff to try and rile Evra. It just doesn't seem feasible for him to dislike people based on skin colour. it's entirely feasible that he'd stoop to such lows to try and gain an advantage or simple just because he's an antagonistic little toerag.

 

[puddleduck]

When you see it in a string of videos like that, it really makes me slightly uncomfortable. That is a string of challenges designed to injure fellow players. Players get extended bans for losing their cool and throwing a punch. He will almost certainly have received not even a card for some of those?

It needs stamping out (pun intended) and I really think that maybe retrospective punishment should be possible regardless of whether the ref sees it at the time. Also, with each punishment the ban should increase by a game.

 

[shravi]

that's just clearly wrong, isn't it? the guy is clearly a tool on the pitch. Amazing player but he'd sell his grandmother to the devil to win a throw-in. The only reason you're defending him is because you support liverpool and can't reconcile the fact your worship someone with such and obviously dubious moral code.

Personally I don't think Suarez is a racist. It doesn't really make sense for someone who would have played with and against so many black players in his career for (and pardon the pun) him to only show his true colours in that one match. What likely happened is due to the gravitas of the game he said some stuff to try and rile Evra. It just doesn't seem feasible for him to dislike people based on skin colour. it's entirely feasible that he'd stoop to such lows to try and gain an advantage or simple just because he's an antagonistic little toerag.

No, because I have been called a 'negro' and 'negrito' when I lived in Venezuela for 4 years (I know I am not black, but I am Indian, and I suppose, wrong though it is, you are either termed white, or you are termed black). I have a first hand understanding of it. I do not worship Suarez. I have no reason to defend him as a person unless it is true because well, frankly, I don't care. I support him because he plays football and I am never going to meet him in real life. As crude as it sounds, if he scores goals, creates assists, I will be happy, because I really couldn't care what "type of man" he is. That is not say I condone racism on the field of play. If I believed he was a racist, then I would fully support his ban. In retrospect, I do believe that the verdict on the Evra case was fair because he said something that is perceived to be racist. Whether or not it is racist in Uruguay is immaterial as he is not in Uruguay. I do not have any qualms with that. However, I don't think he is racist scum as others have said, which is what I was arguing (based on my own experiences as the son of a diplomat, rather than those of a Liverpool fan).

As for the clips Stinky posted, there is no justification there for most of them, and I agree with puddle that the harsher the authorities are with it, the less it will happen. Admittedly, I had forgotten about a few of those.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Did you guys hear Kolo Toure's post match interview? Sounds like he thinks they've just beaten Barcelona, not Barnsley.

 

[Manly]

This page killed my browser haha

 

[Epic]

This page killed my browser haha

Shall we blame Suarez on this one too?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

No, because I have been called a 'negro' and 'negrito' when I lived in Venezuela for 4 years (I know I am not black, but I am Indian, and I suppose, wrong though it is, you are either termed white, or you are termed black). I have a first hand understanding of it. I do not worship Suarez. I have no reason to defend him as a person unless it is true because well, frankly, I don't care. I support him because he plays football and I am never going to meet him in real life. As crude as it sounds, if he scores goals, creates assists, I will be happy, because I really couldn't care what "type of man" he is. That is not say I condone racism on the field of play. If I believed he was a racist, then I would fully support his ban. In retrospect, I do believe that the verdict on the Evra case was fair because he said something that is perceived to be racist. Whether or not it is racist in Uruguay is immaterial as he is not in Uruguay. I do not have any qualms with that. However, I don't think he is racist scum as others have said, which is what I was arguing (based on my own experiences as the son of a diplomat, rather than those of a Liverpool fan).

As for the clips Stinky posted, there is no justification there for most of them, and I agree with puddle that the harsher the authorities are with it, the less it will happen. Admittedly, I had forgotten about a few of those.

ah fine, what you said on the matter here is reasonable though, doesn't need the whole pm/we will disagree business, once you said that I assumed you considered Suarez on a par with martin luther king and the fa judgement was a conspiracy, when in reality you're actually in the real world.