English Football Thread 2013/14

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Agreed.

Well played, though, City. From what I saw our midfield was non-existent. City got forward far too easily.

Up front Hernandez needs to be given a chance ahead of Welbeck imo. Any reason he isn't playing much lately?

Yea i reckon Hernandez was unlucky not the start today. Given the crap form of Young & Nani i reckon he should started either Welbeck or Kagawa on the flanks.

United need a big star winger though. Doubt they can get Di Maria from Madrid, he is likely to be solid backup and starter at times for real in competition with Bale. Jermaine Lens from Holland is an interesting looking player the times i saw him in world cup qualifiers.

Juan Cuadadro from Forienta could be a good buy.

Hell they could even monitor Spurs duo of Townsend & Lennon because one of them won't be getting much game time this season with Lamela & Chandli around @ WHL.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

That has to be one of the most toothless Utd displays I've seen in a long, long time. City wanted it more and were better in every conceivable area. Good free kick by Rooney and he never gave up, but that was the only 'plus' point.

I think one thing united fans will have to get used to about moyes is that he isn't very flexible in game.

He prepares meticulously and backs his plan. if he doesn't work expect fellaini up front and 50 yard average passes after about 75 minutes and that's about it for his flexibility.

Having said that his plan A is largely pretty good. I don't expect you'll get many more pasting like that under him.


Although I suppose we have always had a small squad. So that lends itself to not having many options. If you have some talent on the bench it may be a little different, but i doubt it.

 

[thedon5]

Yea i reckon Hernandez was unlucky not the start today. Given the crap form of Young & Nani i reckon he should started either Welbeck or Kagawa on the flanks.

United need a big star winger though. Doubt they can get Di Maria from Madrid, he is likely to be solid backup and starter at times for real in competition with Bale. Jermaine Lens from Holland is an interesting looking player the times i saw him in world cup qualifiers.

Juan Cuadadro from Forienta could be a good buy.

Hell they could even monitor Spurs duo of Townsend & Lennon because one of them won't be getting much game time this season with Lamela & Chandli around @ WHL.

Lens is decent but he recently moved to Dynamo Kyiv and in any case other than the very top players, imports from Eredivisie generally struggle at the top leagues.

Cuadrado would be a brilliant buy, he is one of the best dribblers in Europe and can certainly cross it in. I think he is perfect for the right winger spot, easily twice the player Valencia is. He'll go for a tonne after the World Cup though, I expect Colombia to do really well and he'll certainly be very attractive considering how well he'll do with the strikers he's supplying.

Lennon is bad and will he'll be the new Young if he moves to Man Utd. Probably worse and he isn't the best crosser. Chadli has been really bad so far at Tottenham, again one of the imports from Eredivisie who has struggled. No doubt he'll be rotating with Townsend, hell I think Townsend is much better than him actually.

I think Nani is hugely talented and United's best winger by far, but he's so out of form it's insane and I doubt he'll get back to his top level at United. That's what makes it so strange that they gave him a long term contract, they could've sold him and he would've brought in some nice money.

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That has to be one of the most toothless Utd displays I've seen in a long, long time. City wanted it more and were better in every conceivable area. Good free kick by Rooney and he never gave up, but that was the only 'plus' point.

Now why the sudden change? How was today different to the last season at Man Utd? That's right, a certain Dutchman!

I said it just a week ago. United will suffer without van Persie. Either if he's injured or out of form.

Regardless, like his hair colour, van Persie is fading. Rooney is looking the far better player this season.

Welbeck is awful and Hernandez isn't good enough either unless he's coming off the bench.

Kagawa is a top player but he was really off form last season and has barely played this season. He will surely be lacking fitness and he is terribly out of form. He could do a job but I doubt he can straight away because of this.

Further proof United are doomed. They need so many new players. But they are still guaranteed title winners, right?

 

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Lens is decent but he recently moved to Dynamo Kyiv and in any case other than the very top players, imports from Eredivisie generally struggle at the top leagues.

Cuadrado would be a brilliant buy, he is one of the best dribblers in Europe and can certainly cross it in. I think he is perfect for the right winger spot, easily twice the player Valencia is. He'll go for a tonne after the World Cup though, I expect Colombia to do really well and he'll certainly be very attractive considering how well he'll do with the strikers he's supplying.

Lennon is bad and will he'll be the new Young if he moves to Man Utd. Probably worse and he isn't the best crosser. Chadli has been really bad so far at Tottenham, again one of the imports from Eredivisie who has struggled. No doubt he'll be rotating with Townsend, hell I think Townsend is much better than him actually.

I think Nani is hugely talented and United's best winger by far, but he's so out of form it's insane and I doubt he'll get back to his top level at United. That's what makes it so strange that they gave him a long term contract, they could've sold him and he would've brought in some nice money.
I said it just a week ago. United will suffer without van Persie. Either if he's injured or out of form.

Regardless, like his hair colour, van Persie is fading. Rooney is looking the far better player this season.

Welbeck is awful

Ye Cuadardo would cost insane amount after the world cup. I remember seeing rumors for the past two seasons that United were chasing his countryman James Rodriguez before he went to Monaco - that ship has sailed unless Monaco turn into a failed project like Malaga and sell out their best players soon.

I hear on the Eredivisie players, but Vertongen & Eriksen have come over & look pretty good to be fair.

Bit harsh on Lennon & Welbeck to fair & i not saying that with any English bias here ha. Lennon at his best is as good as Walcott.

Welbeck at this stage ain't as clinical as striker for sure, but personally i see improvement since in that area slightly and he is learning to play on the left-flank.

 

[Haarithan]

We are very much in the title race, so not sure what Anish. is saying wrong.

Arsenal are definitely title contenders by the looks of things, not denying that one bit. But this's what is wrong from Anish's part:

Me & thedon win the poll .

You'd think the league's already over judging by this post

I do admire your belief.

It's so ironical when a Gooner says this to a City fan, who genuinely believes they're title contenders after yesterday's 12/10 outing. Reeks of negligence and delusion, and if I might add, a bit of arrogance too.

 

[thedon5]

Ye Cuadardo would cost insane amount after the world cup. I remember seeing rumors for the past two seasons that United were chasing his countryman James Rodriguez before he went to Monaco - that ship has sailed unless Monaco turn into a failed project like Malaga and sell out their best players soon.

I hear on the Eredivisie players, but Vertongen & Eriksen have come over & look pretty good to be fair.

Bit harsh on Lennon & Welbeck to fair & i not saying that with any English bias here ha. Lennon at his best is as good as Walcott.

Welbeck at this stage ain't as clinical as striker for sure, but personally i see improvement since in that area slightly and he is learning to play on the left-flank.

Lennon is very different to Walcott. Walcott is a forward playing out wide, Lennon is more of a midfielder. Walcott is a lot more refined so on his day will do a lot more damage than Lennon, and due to his movement even when off form does more than Lennon to stretch defences, hence I don't feel the two are on the same level. In any case I don't think Walcott is the right fit for Man Utd as well, his crossing is average and he'd end up another incosistent Nani there I'm sure. Other than pace Lennon wouldn't offer the right things to Man Utd IMO.

Looking at Welbeck Man Utd need him to be much better than he is now, near enough van Persie level to make up for the deficiencies elsewhere in the squad. He is clearly not there and never will be so isn't good enough.

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Yeah, arsenal would be a tough team to beat.

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Arsenal are definitely title contenders by the looks of things, not denying that one bit. But this's what is wrong from Anish's part:



You'd think the league's already over judging by this post



It's so ironical when a Gooner says this to a City fan, who genuinely believes they're title contenders after yesterday's 12/10 outing. Reeks of negligence and delusion, and if I might add, a bit of arrogance too.

Fair enough man. I agree in a way with Anish. though, the league is not over, Man City have not won it yet. I foolishly said the same thing last season and look what happened, you never know this early especially with Man City. A new manger will always be volatile as well. Other than that though I agree, he's a teeny weeny bit off the mark, let's say.

What's a 12/10 outing?

What matters most though is the league is over for Man Utd.

 

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Now if we can just beat the smaller teams, the title is ours.

This post though it does have a bit of entitlement to the title, it more so was intended to express the importance of beating the small teams over the big teams, titles have been won drawing/losing every big game and winning every small game, but never the other way around.

What's a 12/10 outing?

I'd like to know as well.

What matters most though is the league is over for Man Utd.

Uhm, we (United) won the title in 92-93 after a similar start... fachts dawg, we be dealin' in straight up fachts.

 

[Haarithan]

'12/10 outing' - my rating on a scale of 10 for City's performance yesterday. Dominance redefined.

 

[Epic]

Ah... my rating scale is rather simple; bad, okay, good and Barca.

 

[thedon5]

Then what were Barca after being beaten in possession stats?

We haven't had a chance to prove ourselves against any top opposition yet (not that Man Utd are even that good) but once we do I'm sure we can pull out similar performances. I am confident that with the way Chelsea are being run it's right now between us and Man City (Pellegrini finally seems to know what he's doing!).

Fact is other than a few big games we have an easy run up until February/March, at which point our fixture list turns insane. Prior to that I wouldn't be surprised if we've got a nice lead at the top. Even when it's insane though, we can do the job.

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Uhm, we (United) won the title in 92-93 after a similar start... fachts dawg, we be dealin' in straight up fachts.

I don't get it?

The table isn't what's important, it's completely insignificant at this stage of the season (in any case they're what, five points off the top?). What matters is the quality of the squad and even Liverpool are getting close to matching them, let alone Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City. It's a fight to stay in the top four for them, I think they'll narrowly make it as Spurs and Liverpool are disappointing me.

No Ferguson to bail them out either, a donkey who can't even play one of their best players in Kagawa (this player is now pretty bad after having no game time and being played out of position constantly, definitely lost some of his form and ability he had at Dortmund).

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

Where are those chances Rooney and van Persie create for themselves?

As I said Man Utd are doomed if one of the key players get injured. Let's see how it goes.

nah, I think actually you went on and on about "creativity in midfield", they shipped 4 goals, reckon they would have lost with or without RVP anyway, and they'll lose more if this continues. in light of this result and the fact they were over-run in midfield, if they hadn't signed Fellaini he'd look even more like the right person for them. that they got him and still had trouble coping is very worrying all-round for united.

agree with most people saying they look short of a winger though, or at least a winger that moyes trusts, for some reason he thinks Young is his best option and to me I'd rather go with anyone except him. Maybe one of the two ukrainian lads that featured against england are worth a look in winter (I might be wrong but does the ukrainian league not end in decemeber? meaning a transfer might be easier to push through then as well)

mind you, you called Navas one of the worst signings of the summer about 3 days ago and he was superb, so I wouldn't get too gloaty.

 

[Sulaiman7]

Arsenal are definitely title contenders by the looks of things

Giggs going to retire then ?

 

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agree with most people saying they look short of a winger though, or at least a winger that moyes trusts, for some reason he thinks Young is his best option and to me I'd rather go with anyone except him. Maybe one of the two ukrainian lads that featured against england are worth a look in winter (I might be wrong but does the ukrainian league not end in decemeber? meaning a transfer might be easier to push through then as well)

Yes good point those Ukraine guys could be a interesting wing options, specifically the guy who scored at Wembley last year - Konoplionka.

 

[thedon5]

Navas simply was one of the worst signings of the summer, and it remains to be seen if he is going to come out with the performances week after week. Mind you I only saw 20 minutes of the game and will have to watch the rest tomorrow.

I consider one cross, one dribble and no shots in four games as bad stats wise, and his performances were bad as well. He'd get the ball, panic, turn around and pass it back. Sometimes he even messed that up.

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Giggs going to retire then ?

Giggs will be playing with his walking stick at 50 they still need him.

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Yes good point those Ukraine guys could be a interesting wing options, specifically the guy who scored at Wembley last year - Konoplionka.

I like both of them, Liverpool were after Yarmolenko in the summer as well.

Cuadrado is better than both though, IMO he is pretty much the best winger they can sign for the RW spot, and I've been thinking that for a while, he will tear it up for United no doubt if they can get him. Not sure Fiorentina will let him leave though, he needs to supply Gomez and they aren't going to be happy losing him after losing Jovetic and Ljajic.

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nah, I think actually you went on and on about "creativity in midfield", they shipped 4 goals, reckon they would have lost with or without RVP anyway, and they'll lose more if this continues. in light of this result and the fact they were over-run in midfield, if they hadn't signed Fellaini he'd look even more like the right person for them. that they got him and still had trouble coping is very worrying all-round for united.

agree with most people saying they look short of a winger though, or at least a winger that moyes trusts, for some reason he thinks Young is his best option and to me I'd rather go with anyone except him. Maybe one of the two ukrainian lads that featured against england are worth a look in winter (I might be wrong but does the ukrainian league not end in decemeber? meaning a transfer might be easier to push through then as well)

mind you, you called Navas one of the worst signings of the summer about 3 days ago and he was superb, so I wouldn't get too gloaty.

I went on and on about creativity from midfield and the wings since it's important. I also mentioned several times how an injury to RVP would kill them, as we saw. I also said Vidic, Rooney and Carrick getting injured would be disastrous too.

Fellaini is a donkey, he's never been Man Utd quality as a deeper CM.

Might be time to give Januzaj a bigger role in the team though. Who else do they have? He is better than Young.

It's an aging team and they'll only get worse as the season goes by.

 

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Yea Caudardo is indeed perfect for United i wonder if United acknowledge this problem on the flanks and even have him on their radar currently.