Generation Draft - COMPLETED!!

Round 3:
Sydney Barnes
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He is one of my favourite player who I never watched at all. He
was best bowler of the world during his generation. His stats are just mind blowing compare to other players.


Overs Maidens Runs Wickets Aver.
Test matches 1313.3 358 3106 189 16.43
County cricket 1931.2 633 4456 226 19.71
other first-class 2028.3 620 4600 304 15.13
For Staffordshire 5457.3 1647 1175 1441 8.15
League and Club 12802 3532 2797 4069 6.03
23509.3 6784 51890 6229 8.33
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Round 4
Graeme Pollock
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Perhaps the best left arm test batsmen cricket has ever seen. One of the famous triumph of this man is that he was able to show his talent in just 23 games and made us to believe that he was one the giant of this game. His 274 runs innings remained for a long time as highest score by a South African.

My Team
1.
2.
3.
4. Graeme Pollock
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. Sydney Barnes
10. Joel Garner
11. John Ferris
 
Yeah, no worries. Like I said, even a sentence or 2 is just fine. What makes these drafts so interesting is the write-up. You get to see who other people regard as a great player, and their reasons.

Loving the Benaud pick. My favorite commentator - so much knowledge.

I'm going to ask you to change your other pick though. Suttcliffe only played 17 matches in this generation, compared to the 37 he played in the next one. So, he's going to be a pick for Round 4. Normally I wouldn't mind if there's a case for either time-period, like John Snow, but Herbert played less than a third of his career in this time-frame.

damn... You should have asked me to change the pick before you gave yaari the pick. Barnes was my other pick if not sutcliffe :(
 
Haha, perhaps 'pioneer' of the back foot defence might be better. Makes it sounds like he just defended on the back foot all the time otherwise :p But anyway, I think Ranji's a pretty exciting talent: a guy from a far away country inventing new ways to play and original shots - he blew people away with his talent at the time from what I've read.

Stinky reckons Ranji was the #1 pick for the round, I'd dunno about that but I say maybe top 3. I don't see how he beats WG as the top player of the era - that man WAS cricket back then.

I sometimes think WG Grace was as much of a cricketing celebrity as he was a great cricketer. I probably would have gone with Ranji over him purely because, for me, innovators are just that bit more exciting.

so there is an element of personal preference in my seeing him as no.1. certainly for me, he, grace and spofforth were the big guns in the round, but it does depend on what you've read without ever seeing them.

he's undoubtedly the best pick of the round getting him at no. 8 though.

also liked Wars pick, great idea to pick up an excellent and revered wicket-keeper. seeing as he was an inaugral inductee to the australian cricket hall of fame he certainly must have had pedigree, just whether he was really the 2nd best player of the round though is up for debate.

the 70s-80s one went sort of as expected with the exception of War choosing snow over viv, but he must know what he's doing going deliberately leftfied.

looking forward to the other rounds, much as seeing hobbs and sobers in the same team reassures me it wasn't exactly a taxing selection that required much thought. I bounced barnes around for a bit though, good pick yaari.
 
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I sometimes think WG Grace was as much of a cricketing celebrity as he was a great cricketer. I probably would have gone with Ranji over him purely because, for me, innovators are just that bit more exciting.

so there is an element of personal preference in my seeing him as no.1. certainly for me, he, grace and spofforth were the big guns in the round, but it does depend on what you've read without ever seeing them.

he's undoubtedly the best pick of the round getting him at no. 8 though.

Yeah those were the 3 players I listed first too. Great minds...:D

I'm going to ask you to change your other pick though. Suttcliffe only played 17 matches in this generation, compared to the 37 he played in the next one. So, he's going to be a pick for Round 4. Normally I wouldn't mind if there's a case for either time-period, like John Snow, but Herbert played less than a third of his career in this time-frame.

Well I'll leave the final word up to you of course Papa, but I'm inclined to let Sutcliffe go after having a look at his record. For starters, it would be the least disruptive with the arguments over Barnes, but mainly he's pretty close to sitting on the fence of both eras. If the new era started at 1929 instead of 1928, then I think he'd be OK. Because the first part of his career was more productive: he scored around 40% of his runs before 1928 despite playing around 30% of his Tests then and if you include 1928, then it's over 50% of his runs. So he's basically one year off being able to be a coin toss for which era Sutcliffe fits in best. If it's that close I don't really mind him being taken. See what you think - I'll hold off until we work it out. You're straight after me anyway.
 
If anyone else doesn't have a problem with it, then I'll let AP keep Sutcliffe. If anyone did, I think they would have raised it by now. So you get to keep him, AP :) The only reason I let Aoun keep his turn was because it had been 18 hours since Stinky had made his picks.

Plus, I don't want to take this too seriously. It's supposed a fun draft after all ;) And I really, really want to make my pick now.

So hurry up Jason! :p

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I think I know who you'll pick for the 51-70 round. I hope you do, cos otherwise I'll be left with 2 guys to pick from, and I can't decide.

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Good picks there, Aoun. Especially to choose Pollock. So many good batsmen to choose from in this era, but no one's going to argue about Pollock's selection.
 
Well we'll see if you're right...:)

I've done one write up, and will start the other one now, but here are the names so you can get started too:

Victor Trumper & Keith Miller

Oh this is going to be a team everyone wants to watch

1 Victor Trumper
2
3 Ranjitsinhji
4
5
6 Keith Miller
7 Sir Ian Botham
8
9
10
11

Actually on reflection, let's swap Botham and Miller around. Miller better batsman.
 
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Keith Miller
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Tests: 55
Runs: 2958
Ave: 36.9
Wkts: 170
Ave: 22.97

With Botham in the house and my need for an all-rounder seemingly low, I looked at the names before me. I found a couple of very good fast bowlers and Keith Miller as the best options. And then it hit me, Miller was almost as good a bowler as the other 2 AND he could crack 100s - so really it's a simple choice when thought of that way. Plus he's an Aussie and a top bloke :D

A little about him: Tall right hand batsman and right arm fast bowler. At first Miller's powerful middle order batting was his main strength, but Bradman used him for Australia as a fast bowler. He had an excellent action and would bowl off long or short runs according to how he felt, with plenty of bouncers :) Sometimes he slipped in leg breaks or offies. And he was often described as a brilliant fielder with the knack of making things happen.

He finished his career with a batting average around 14 higher than his bowling average - virtually equal with Imran Khan, putting him equal 3rd on that table. His first class record was even better, averaging 48 with bat and 22 with ball for a huge 26 run difference. I'm not sure if that's a record or not, but it can't be far off.

The fact that he batted at 5 and opened the bowling on a strong team shows how much talent he had - none of the other great all-rounders did this. Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev all batted lower, Sobers and Kallis didn't open the bowling. And while Miller's stats are good, but probably not as good as they should have been with that kind of ability.

Cricinfo did a study of all-rounders who batted in the top 5 recently (The List: Allrounders who bat in the top five and bowl a sizeable number of overs), and Miller's bowling stats dwarf his other top order competitors. Sure Sobers and Kallis have taken more wickets but at much higher averages. Miller's batting average of course isn't as good as it could be for a top 5 player, but that's why he's getting demoted to #6 :)

History also tells that he never played for stats either, often throwing his wicket away after getting to 100, and in one tour match just letting himself get bowled because it was too one sided to be interesting for him. This is rumoured to be why Bradman and Miller had rifts due to their different approaches. Bradman was a stat producing machine, while Miller played with his heart and sometimes not his head.

And there's a great article on Keith Miller here by David Frith if you want a better description of the superstar Keith Miller, rather than just stats to tell the story (David Frith on Keith Miller). Miller really was a rock star after the war, and will make my team even more alluring.


Victor Trumper
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Tests: 48
Runs: 3163
Ave: 39.04
HS: 214* vs SA, Adelaide Oval, 1910/11

Another one for the romantics :) Trumper's fairly ordinary batting record undermines his stature: he was a giant of the golden age. Trumper is generally regarded as the greatest Australian batsman of his era, and some would say any era. It was the style and grace of his batting which appealed. He had all the shots, and played them regularly.

There's some great stories about Trumper and his endearing approach to cricket. There's a couple of good cricinfo articles, like this one:
Blithe spirit

His most famous innings was at Old Trafford on a soft wicket. The sun was coming out, so the England bowlers plan was to keep him quiet til lunch when the pitch would start getting sticky. But Trumper scored 104 before lunch - the first man to ever do so, and Australia won by 3 runs.

Oh and you might recognise the pic. as "Trumper jumping out to drive" is one of cricket's most famous photos.
 
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Wilfred Rhodes

Before I talk about this guy, I want to tell a statistic. A statistic as unbelievable as The Don's average. Well almost. Think about your entire life-time. Think about how many experiences you had, and how many memories you cherish. It's a long time, right? Wrong - it's not even as long as this stat. This little plump guy from Yorkshire had the balls to play Test matches for over 30 years. 30 years! In that time, he scored nearly 40,000 FC runs at an average above 30 and took over 4000 wickets at an average under 17. No one else has that many FC wickets. And few have that many runs!

He was a brilliant left-arm spinner. After watching the likes of Harris, Panesar, Al-Hasan and Rehman recently, one could forgive me to come to the conclusion that left-arm spinners can only dart the ball in. I was wrong. Rhodes was a master of flight - he pitched the ball in exactly the same spot, but they all ended up in their different ways. He knew his opponents as well. "It was said of Rhodes that if he got you out once he got you out twice, because he knew how to do it again."

Now about his batting. In his Test debut, he was No.11 and was part of a historic 10th wicket partnership that saved England the match at the SCG. That record partnership of 130 runs was not to be broken for another 70 runs. Later in his career, he would open the batting with Hobbs, and once had 323 run partnership with him.

For being the most profilic all-rounder of his time, and having bowled to the likes of both Grace and Bradman, Rhodes makes my XI with Test stats of:

Matches: 58
Runs: 2325
Average: 30.19

Wickets: 127
Average:26.96

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Sir Everton Weekes

I was stuck for this choice. I could have gone for a great fast bowler and complete my pace attack, or a great middle-order batsman. Then the nail hit the head. I've already got Lillee. So Weekes it was.

One of the 3 W's, Weekes for was great middle-order batsman. In fact, according to one other member of that infamous trio, Weekes was the best batsman out of the 3 of them. And the stats do back him-up. Over 4000 Test runs at an average close to 60. He also holds the record for most consecutive centuries (5 in 5 innings).

His greatest attribute though was his comparison to The Don. Benaud once stated that many Australians considered his style to be almost identical to The Don - both were equally good on both sides of the wicket, both used their feet to come down the pitch to spinners, and both were damn good to watch.

For being one of the greatest middle-order batsmen of all time, Weekes make my makes my XI with Test stats of:

Matches: 48
Runs: 4455
Average: 58.61


The Papa XI:
1)
2)
3)
4) E Weekes
5)
6)
7)
8) W Rhodes
9)
10) D Lillee
11) C Turner

Might promote Rhodes to 7 later on. Starting to look sexy though.
 
Wow, I have been really screwed over in the first 3 rounds...

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My first pick is Aubrey Faulkner. He was an all rounder of supreme quality and most definitely one of South Africa's greatest players ever. He could spin the ball both ways, vary his pace and deceive batsmen with his combination of flight and accuracy. However, he was a more than serviceable batsman as shown by his highest score of 204. In 25 matches (47 innings), he scored 1754 runs at an average of 41 with 4 centuries and 8 fifties. As a bowler, in 43 innings, he took 82 wickets at an average of 26.58 and a strike rate of 51.5. This included 4 four-fors and 4 five-fors and a BBI of 7/84. A batsman capable scoring a double century and a bowler capable of taking 7 wickets in an innings makes Faulkner quite an easy choice for me and slots well into the all rounder position.

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And... "t' greatest bloody fast bowler that ever drew breath". He bowled at searing pace with a fiery action and wasn't only one of the greatest bowler of his time, but of all time. He could move the ball at pace and with control. He was first man to take 300 test wickets- Fred Trueman. It is often argued that he would have taken closer to 400 wickets if not for various "disciplinary breaches". However, in 67 matches (127 innings), he took 307 wickets at an average of 21.57 and a strike rate of 49.4. This included a quite astounding 19 four-fors, 17 five-fors and 3 10WMs. He was also quite miserly with an economy rate of 2.61.

1
2
3
4
5
6
Aubrey Faulkner (1754 runs @ 41, 82 wickets @ 26.58)
Johnny Briggs (815 runs @ 18.11, 118 wickets @ 17.15)
Malcolm Marshall (1810 runs @ 18.85, 376 wickets @ 20.94)
Fred Trueman (307 wickets @ 21.57)
11
 
Wow, I have been really screwed over in the first 3 rounds...

Really? Your team looks pretty good to me. What's your issue? Faulkner and Trueman are about as good as you could get at this spot. I always like dropping Faulkner's name now that I've learned a bit about him, makes me sound knowledgeable :p

Oh and some good info on here everyone, thanks for taking the time to tell us about your guys :thumbs
 
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yeah, don't see the problem shravi. We've all gone for all-rounders so far this round (though 2 going for a 50s one and 2 going for a 1900s one) and for my money faulkner more than holds up to examination. he was actually someone I hoped to snag before the pick orders were announced.
 
True... His average of 40 might seem less but it is as good as 50+ avg today ;)
 
Screwed? You've got the best attack atm! You've got both Marshall and Trueman - both of whom are automatic picks in their respective country's all time XI, and both make strong cases to be in the World All-Time XI. And Briggs was brilliant spinner - couldn't make up my mind to pick him or Turner. On top of that, Faulkner's a quality pick. The only thing that made me pick Rhodes over him was his longeitivity; the guy's got to have something if he's considered a folklore legend even after bowling to the biggest names of both the 19th and 20th century - Grace and Bradman.

I liked your analysis of the first round Stinky. Pretty much agree with what you said, apart from that Ranji was a top 3. The top 2 were definitely Grace and Spofforth. After that, it's hard to distinguish who the third best pick was out of Lohmann, Turner, Briggs and Ranji. The most surprising was definitley War. I liked that he got a quality keeper early, but it was a bit of a shocker that he picked Snow over the likes of Marshall and Lillee. Each to his own, I guess. Not that I'm complaining either :D

Crew of Black's got just over 5 hours left to make his picks. If he misses his window, then it will be Aditya's pick.
 

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