Generation Draft - COMPLETED!!

oh and just further on Ranji, he's one of only 2 players that played before 1900 that ended up with a first class batting average over 50 (qualification: guys with at least 50 innings). And the other guy is 50.22, Ranji is almost 57 - truly the best batsman of his generation :thumbs

Wow, didn't know this. I knew he was good, but didn't think he was that ahead in front of his peers. Good pick. But then again. Doesn't seem to be the most exciting of talents.

The back foot defence was one of his trademarks

:p

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Peel's not a bad pick either AP. Get a quality spinner, and one of your lefties out of the way. Do the write-up whenever you get the time :thumbs

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You're up Stinky. Got 4 picks to make.
 
Added the writeup for Imran. Was literally stunned by some of his performances.
 
My XI so far:

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7.Kapil Dev
8.Bobby Peel
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11.
 
Wow, didn't know this. I knew he was good, but didn't think he was that ahead in front of his peers. Good pick. But then again. Doesn't seem to be the most exciting of talents.

Haha, perhaps 'pioneer' of the back foot defence might be better. Makes it sounds like he just defended on the back foot all the time otherwise :p But anyway, I think Ranji's a pretty exciting talent: a guy from a far away country inventing new ways to play and original shots - he blew people away with his talent at the time from what I've read.

Stinky reckons Ranji was the #1 pick for the round, I'd dunno about that but I say maybe top 3. I don't see how he beats WG as the top player of the era - that man WAS cricket back then.

Can't wait to see who gets dug up in the 2nd 1877-1899 round, it's always interesting to read about these guys. Bobby Peel apparently urinated on the pitch as he was drunk in what turned out to be his last first class game - that's just awesome :D
 
Haha, perhaps 'pioneer' of the back foot defence might be better. Makes it sounds like he just defended on the back foot all the time otherwise :p But anyway, I think Ranji's a pretty exciting talent: a guy from a far away country inventing new ways to play and original shots - he blew people away with his talent at the time from what I've read.

Stinky reckons Ranji was the #1 pick for the round, I'd dunno about that but I say maybe top 3. I don't see how he beats WG as the top player of the era - that man WAS cricket back then.

Can't wait to see who gets dug up in the 2nd 1877-1899 round, it's always interesting to read about these guys. Bobby Peel apparently urinated on the pitch as he was drunk in what turned out to be his last first class game - that's just awesome :D

I should have picked Miandad as my second pick. Then my team would be full of class :D One urinated on pitch while other Jumped like a monkey on the pitch :p
 
Ok, so you've been plonked last in the draft of the 19th century players, all the guys you've heard of are gone, all that's rest is about 15 outrageously mustachioed men more noted for their achievements in the coal mining industry than they are for cricket. You're screwed, hannibal is at the gates, the engines are failing, you are 5 down and paul collingwood is waddling out to the crease, he's forgot his bat. This is not going to end well. So you're thinking it's over, your team is going to be fundamentally flawed, you look up and you set about the rather pointless task of seeing who your next pick will be anyway. you stop. You stop because that means you get to pick first in 1951-1970 and somebody very, very special was plying his trade then. someone who could compensate just about any lump of lard in a line up. batsman or bowler. Of course, it is the original 2 for 1 deal, Garry Sobers.

everyone knows who he is so I won't bore you with all the details. you know he hit 6 sixes off a single over, you know his 365* stood for decades, you know he opened the bowling, he bowled spin, he defined left hand class. So lets just point out that when Wisden decided to name it's 5 cricketers of the century there was some grumbling to be made about the voting process, which was that 2 of the 5 votes were wasted voting for sobers and bradman, this was because sobers was of such outstanding quality that his place in the pantheon of greatness was so unquestionable it was actually boring to even consider. This is like asking someone, what's the hottest thing in the solar system. We know it's the sun. one of the finest batsmen ever, a brilliantly skilled and versatile bowler and an excellent fielder. liked a tipple too apparently, class bloke. also saves you doing any research because it's so obvious.

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right, on to this 19th century character then. I know this is not strictly the correct order but I'd already picked sobers in my head so he was sort of the first one. I had two essential requirements for my 19th century pick. One, that he was actually rated in wisden or articles or something, I didn't want to just pick the best numbers, and the second was that he had to have a big ol' moustache. The second criteria appeared to rule out absolutely no one. from the looks of things it seems reasonable to postulate that moustaches were either mandatory to taking the field or they were thought to convey the wearers with an advantage in the 19th century.

So, like I said, all the 19th century players I knew had gone. I thought I'd just pick a wicketkeeper, because who really cares. really? really. but I see War already thought of that. Unfortunately for the period it seemed england had a succession of patchy, inconsistent wicketkeepers. how times have changed... so that left me to click randomly around the annals of wikipedia hoping that something, someone, would present themselves to me. And that is how I came to learn of Tom Richardson.

Tom's obit speaks of a man that was, perhaps not the greatest bowler of his day, but someone who was certainly not out of place in the company of greats. I found an article from the 40s and it was not larwood, not lohman, not barnes that was lamented as a lost pinnacle when speaking of the decline of english fast-bowling. it was richardson. his finest performance came in a losing cause. back against the wall, australia were chasing 125 to win. richardson made them wait 3 hours to get it, and bowled almost solidly through the innings, according to eye witnesses not sending down a bad ball. but that makes him sound like some tragic clown. he wasn't. 1000 wickets over 4 county seasons, replacing lohman at surrey, 2000 county wickets over all (and somewhere in there in 1894 is taking nearly 200 wickets for 10.32, an unequalled figure)

HOWEVER, all that said, what made me go with him was a quote from a wisden article by neville cardus, who in '63 picked him as one of the 6 giants of the game of the last 100 years.

"I choose Richardson as one of my Six, not on the supposition that he was the greatest fast bowler of the century, though certainly he was in the running.
I take him as the fully realised personification of the fast bowler as every schoolboy dreams and hopes he might one day be himself. Richardson was, in his heyday, a handsome, swarthy giant, lithe, muscular, broad of shoulder, and of apparently inexhaustible energy."


this wasn't a mcgrath, this was an akram. a sehwag not a kallis. this was someone you didn't try and appreciate, this was someone that made you want to watch.

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My next pick wasn't as awful, the 70s and 80s had legions of greats, and they couldn't be exhausted in a single round, but the obvious stars are gone, Richards for example. I've decided to plump for a fast bowler though and there's really only one choice in that regard, the whispering death, Michael Holding.

Holding in my honest opinion, not because it's convenient, is the best of the great west indies fast bowlers. Outrageously quick, brutal and beautiful. The stats say marshall but marshall and garner but they lacked the beauty of holding's bowling. The long loping run up, the whisper, and the ferocious release, the death. The over he bowled to boycott is one that lives in the memory of cricket, a sport in which hundreds and hundreds of balls are bowled, thousands of runs are accumulated but most fans agree for those 6 balls fast bowling got about as good as it was going to get. There is his professionalism too, he lay between the transformation of the windies being a supremely talented side and their eventual rise as an unbeatable one. Those types of players are rare enough, but for a fast bowler, I can think of of no better selection than one whos career epitaph can be simply summed up as "no one bowled faster."

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My last pick, and this has taken a while so I'm also going to be incredibly lazy and plump for the obvious. GH Hardy, the eminent mathematician was dedicated cricket fan, and in his day he had a way of describing a mathematical proof that was both beautiful, correct and economical, the best sort of proof. He would declare it "Hobbs class" after arguable the greatest opener ever: Jack Hobbs.

Jack Hobbs ate records for breakfast, he still has more FC centuries than anyone that ever played and more runs. longevity? you got it. He was only the second cricketer after bradman to earn a knighthood, he was someone that took the sport beyond the boundary lines. The original owner of the title "master" sorry this is a bit short this one, it's taken a while. but it's bloody jack hobbs. get out from under your rock.

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1. Hobbs
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4. Sobers
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10. Holding
11. Richardson
 
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Somebody gotta pick Wilfred Rhodes.Had a test career starting from 1899 and ending in 1930 and was a prolific bowler and good bowling all rounder of the era from 1900s till his retirement in 1930.Taking 4204 fc wickets @16.72 in 1110 fc matches and scoring 39969 runs @30.81 with 58 centuries and 198 fifties.He has played most First class matches.:thumbs
 
I loved the write ups Stinky, and Tom Richardson was someone I was hoping I could get later.


Whoops disregard that - this is the 1900 section... i need coffee. Great picks!!
 
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Haha, I loved reading that Stinky. Great job :thumbs Hobbs and Sobers were obvious picks, and Holding's a great one. Was really interested to see who you might dig up as your 19th century guy. Thought you would go for someone else, but Richardson seems to have been a gem of a player. Great find!

And thanks to User and AngryPixel for doing the write-ups. Imran's form with the ball in the early 80's was mind-boggling :eek:

@AngryPixel - I don't mind you copying and pasting from cricinfo, because of time restraints. But I would really appreciate mate if you put it in as a quote, and state where you got it from. Plus, even a sentence or two of why you chose him would be enough.

If you need me to you the magic mod powers for anything let me know :D

I need your help mate, and it's got to with your post :p I've been adding links to each pick to the first post in the thread. And all of them work, apart from your's. Just says no thread specified if you click on them. Not sure if it falls in your domain, but maybe you can take a look.
 
And oh, AP's only got 3 hours left until his 18-hour limit is gone. If he misses his window, then send2yaari is next, followed by Jason, then me etc.
 
That link should work now Papa.

C'mon Angry, lets see those picks chief :) Hopefully not the guys I'm targeting though...
 
I'm doing my research now... Wanna make this round count. ;)
 
I'm doing my research now... Wanna make this round count. ;)

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I'm doing my research now... Wanna make this round count. ;)

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Okay... My two picks are: Richie Benaud and H Sutcliffe. Will do a writeup soon.
@smurf, I'll try to write my views too from now on. I was lazy thus copied from cricinfo :p

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That link should work now Papa.

C'mon Angry, lets see those picks chief :) Hopefully not the guys I'm targeting though...

Are you targeting a certain English Fast Medium bowler :p He was my first pick then i thought against it. coz 90's and 2000's have a lot of great bowlers.

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Herbert Sutcliffe
Arguably one of the best opener of all time. He formed probably the best opening partnership ever with Jack Hobbs. Although his debut was delayed coz of WW, he made for that with his prolific run of form. He took part in 146 century opening partnership. He was unusually aggressive for his time. In a way he was batsman of modern era rather than that old era. Against Northamptonshire he scored 113 on a sticky wicket which included 10 6s. At Scarborough he went from 100 to 194 in just 40 minutes while he scored his 100th hundred in just 2 hours.


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Richie Benaud​
My favorite commentator. :D If anyone in cricket was a late bloomer it was Richie Benaud. He didn't had much success in his first 6 years. After that he gradually developed as a Allrounder and as a brilliant captain later when he won Ashes twice. After retireing he was one of the best Commentators in the game. Damn he retired from commentating too now :noway
My Lineup So far.

1. H Sutcliffe
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6. Ritchie Benaud
7. Kapil Dev
8. Bobby Peel
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@smurf, I'll try to write my views too from now on. I was lazy thus copied from cricinfo :p

Yeah, no worries. Like I said, even a sentence or 2 is just fine. What makes these drafts so interesting is the write-up. You get to see who other people regard as a great player, and their reasons.

Loving the Benaud pick. My favorite commentator - so much knowledge.

I'm going to ask you to change your other pick though. Suttcliffe only played 17 matches in this generation, compared to the 37 he played in the next one. So, he's going to be a pick for Round 4. Normally I wouldn't mind if there's a case for either time-period, like John Snow, but Herbert played less than a third of his career in this time-frame.
 

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