ICC World T20 Bangladesh 2014

[War]

So not only are you agreeing that they for financial reasons preferred to play in the IPL, you are also telling me why and totally backing what I have been saying all along - That WIans take the IPL seriously and in the past have opted to play in the IPL over playing for the WI. And yet you are pretending as if we are both saying two different things !! We are both saying the same thing, Bravo and Pollard have in the past ditched WI for whatever reasons, (more money, or to fight of aliens or whatever) and instead opted to turn out for the IPL teams.

I dont know WI are trying now, but GL to them in that, but what they are doing now has nothing to do with the statement that in the past Bravo and Pollard have preferred to turn out for the IPL sides instead of WI. You can argue till the cows come home, and keep trying to deflect it on a missing quote, but the facts are still the same. Bravo and Pollard refused to play for WI and instead chose to play for their IPL sides.

I am expecting another long post from you in reply, but save yourself the trouble and instead just save the time you would spend in the typing that long post and just take 5 minutes to look at facts. Real simple I will break it down for you.

Did Bravo and Pollard or did they not during 2008-2010 refuse to play for the WI and instead chose to turn out for their IPL sides - THEY DID.

Did they or did they not refuse to sign central contract with the WI board to play in the IPL hasslefree - THEY DID

Good now let is sink in and stop typing !!

Ha well firstly i notice in a few threads I've interacted with you some real aggression in your posts with me. I like it it!

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2718736-post778.html

Let me show you back your post, since you said two things:

Well it would not surprise me. WIans take the IPL very seriously. I think Dwayne Bravo said he enjoys playing for his country T&T the most, then playing in the IPL and only third for the WI.

I'm not questioning the facts of when the players did not play, when they did not sign contracts etc. Its the part in bold I want proof I want, since I know Dwayne Bravo has never stated that those are his priorities.

Based on your comments overall, I'm further convinced you don't understand the WICB vs WIPA vs Windies players problems of the past. You say you are not accusing them of being mercenaries - but the tone of your post, you sound like the many people over the years who have painted them as that & I take issue with that.

If as i mentioned before, if the windies did not have years of players vs board issues with regards to finances which dates back to when Lara was playing - when the IPL came out they would not have chosen to play IPL over windies easily - because them and the board were at logger heads.

You compare to how WICB handled its star players with regards to IPL contracts during those days compared to other weak financial nations such as NZ, SRI, PAK & BANG (although PAK players don't play in the IPL due to politics) none of these country had the name massive issues with its players like the WICB.

The WICB board acted ridiculously, so the players were in their rights to not sign contracts in the past. That was reaction to board after years of payment issues - it was not plain case of them simply wanting to play where they could earn more money.

And the WICB have essentially conceded they are wrong in the past, by now trying not to have the WI home season clash with IPL.

You read this Pollard interviews which he speaks on wanting to play test cricket & speaking of the peculiarities windies players face when trying to balance the financial reward of T20 & playing other formats, their intentions are good:

-Kieron Pollard: 'My only way of playing Tests is by performing in ODIs' | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo


- Kieron Pollard Exclusive Interview | All Out Cricket | West Indies

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In all honesty the 2004 advantage was lost in 2008 when Australia lost the test series to India 2 - 0, and then doubly lost when Australia were whitewashed 4 - 0 in the tests on their next tour to India. Sure they could take it further in the ODI series, but they even lost that in 2013 when they lost the ODI series to India and the T20. I think Australia should have seen this coming.

More so the 2014 series vs IND was were the alarm bells about their ability versus spin. 2008 AUS batting vs spin although was not that bad, the drew 2 tests after all. Bowling selections was the problem, i.e choosing Cameron White as a main spinner.

1st test of that 2012 series AUS barely lost by 1 wicket in a classic. They won preceding series of test/ODI in SRI 2012 & won their last two ODI series vs PAK in UAE 09 & 2012.

Based on how they had recovered in the last few months, I did expect these issues versus spin to be so bad again. Simply despicable.

 

[PokerAce]

Ha well firstly i notice in a few threads I've interacted with you some real aggression in your posts with me. I like it it!

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2718736-post778.html

Let me show you back your post, since you said two things:



I'm not questioning the facts of when the players did not play, when they did not sign contracts etc. Its the part in bold I want proof I want, since I know Dwayne Bravo has never stated that those are his priorities.

Based on your comments overall, I'm further convinced you don't understand the WICB vs WIPA vs Windies players problems of the past. You say you are not accusing them of being mercenaries - but the tone of your post, you sound like the many people over the years who have painted them as that & I take issue with that.

If as i mentioned before, if the windies did not have years of players vs board issues with regards to finances which dates back to when Lara was playing - when the IPL came out they would not have chosen to play IPL over windies easily - because them and the board were at logger heads.

You compare to how WICB handled its star players with regards to IPL contracts during those days compared to other weak financial nations such as NZ, SRI, PAK & BANG (although PAK players don't play in the IPL due to politics) none of these country had the name massive issues with its players like the WICB.

The WICB board acted ridiculously, so the players were in their rights to not sign contracts in the past. That was reaction to board after years of payment issues - it was not plain case of them simply wanting to play where they could earn more money.

And the WICB have essentially conceded they are wrong in the past, by now trying not to have the WI home season clash with IPL.

You read this Pollard interviews which he speaks on wanting to play test cricket & speaking of the peculiarities windies players face when trying to balance the financial reward of T20 & playing other formats, their intentions are good:

-Kieron Pollard: 'My only way of playing Tests is by performing in ODIs' | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo


- Kieron Pollard Exclusive Interview | All Out Cricket | West Indies

Wow I did not read a single word of that and saved 10 mins , out which I waste 1 min typing this. You too could have saved a lot of time if only you had done what I said in the previous post and stop typing and read what I wrote and then let those facts sink in. Sooner or later you will get the point if you just read the facts. Now Bye :

PS - Okay maybe I took 2 mins to type that, but look on the bright side ,I am still 8 mins up

 

[War]

Wow I did not read a single word of that and saved 10 mins , out which I waste 1 min typing this. You too could have saved a lot of time if only you had done what I said in the previous post and stop typing and read what I wrote and then let those facts sink in. Sooner or later you will get the point if you just read the facts. Now Bye :

PS - Okay maybe I took 2 mins to type that, but look on the bright side ,I am still 8 mins up

Aite funny man, wherever you fed up deflecting and ducking posts like a Mitchell Johnson bouncer - I want to see when Dwayne Bravo said he prefers to play for Trinidad first, the IPL, then West Indies.

And what's this talk now about you think West Indies should spit up into "individual nations"? , you are in form today aren't you...

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

jade dernbach's career summed up by his first 5 google image results

oops, oops, haha, eeeee, oops.

 

[PokerAce]

Aite funny man, wherever you fed up deflecting and ducking posts like a Mitchell Johnson bouncer - I want to see when Dwayne Bravo said he prefers to play for Trinidad first, the IPL, then West Indies.

And what's this talk now about you think West Indies should spit up into "individual nations"? , you are in form today aren't you...

@War, OH WAIT A MINUTE I AM LOVING THIS -

- I want to see when Dwayne Bravo said he prefers to play for Trinidad first, the IPL, then West Indies. lol, you are in form today aren't you...

Really you want to see eh you really want to see do ya then eat this you dear dear friend who is about to put his foot in his mouth - WICRICNEWS ? Bravo: Mumbai come 2nd, T&T 1st and the West Indies third. READ THE THIRD LAST QUESTION

Mumbai Indians or Trinidad and Tobago?
Of course T&T. It?s my country. Mumbai Indians come second, T&T come first and the West Indies third. - See more at: WICRICNEWS ? Bravo: Mumbai come 2nd, T&T 1st and the West Indies third.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are in form today aren't you...

How is that for form you ... Now do everyone a favor, stop typing and go cry yourself to sleep. How to pwn ignorant ppl on the internet who know nothing and talk rubbish - This post exhibit A !!

See just if you had listened to me when I told you to stop typing and let the facts sink, I would not have actually looked for the quote and thus not found it and thus not posted it so openly for everyone see and you would have saved yourself a lot of egg landing on your face. So there is still time, heed my advice and atleast now stop typing and save yourself further embarrassment.

 

[PokerAce]

I remember Gayle once claiming that he preferred T20 over Test matches and that he doesnt see him playing Tests for very long

But never remember reading anything about preferring CPL and IPL over country

@abhi_jacko - Yes he did say that. WICRICNEWS ? Bravo: Mumbai come 2nd, T&T 1st and the West Indies third.

Third last question.

Mumbai Indians or Trinidad and Tobago?
Of course T&T. It?s my country. Mumbai Indians come second, T&T come first and the West Indies third.

 

[Champagnepapi]

"WICRICNEWS"
Say how about a reliable source?

 

[PokerAce]

"WICRICNEWS"
Say how about a reliable source?

Ah wait what was the last word --- ah yes --- Source !!

What more do you lot want ... want me to get Barak Obama to say it !! And since when did u become an authority on what is a reliable and unreliable source. Ppl have been asking for a link and there it is. http://wicricnews.com/blog/bravo-mu...nd-the-west-indies-third#sthash.eOyFo156.dpuf

However this issue has clearly got some audience going and who would I be to disappoint you lot. Whatever gets you off fella, here is THE link -

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-...ome-after-t-amp-t-and-mi/article1-524084.aspx -

The well known Indian Daily which conducted the interview. Anything for the reader of my posts

 

[SaiSrini]

I have a feeling Sri Lanka will win the next one, thereby making the semifinals. Conditions here are familiar to them, and they were one of the pre-tournament favorites.

A Pakistan vs Sri Lanka semifinal would be mouth watering, along with India vs South Africa.

 

[War]

@War, OH WAIT A MINUTE I AM LOVING THIS -

Really you want to see eh you really want to see do ya then eat this you dear dear friend who is about to put his foot in his mouth - WICRICNEWS ? Bravo: Mumbai come 2nd, T&T 1st and the West Indies third. READ THE THIRD LAST QUESTION


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How is that for form you ... Now do everyone a favor, stop typing and go cry yourself to sleep. How to pwn ignorant ppl on the internet who know nothing and talk rubbish - This post exhibit A !!

See just if you had listened to me when I told you to stop typing and let the facts sink, I would not have actually looked for the quote and thus not found it and thus not posted it so openly for everyone see and you would have saved yourself a lot of egg landing on your face. So there is still time, heed my advice and atleast now stop typing and save yourself further embarrassment.

Ha, ok you found it. Well this interview was in 2010 during the height of the players vs WICB squabbles, thus I could understand Bravo making that statement then. Would be interested to see if he is posed that question now, what he would say.

 

[PokerAce]

Ha, ok you found it. Well this interview was in 2010 during the height of the players vs WICB squabbles, thus I could understand Bravo making that statement then. Would be interested to see if he is posed that question now, what he would say.

I have always said that the period was 2008 and 2010 when he made the comment. Anyway as much as I enjoyed it, got carried away with finding the link finally !!, this squabble we had was stupid, and lets forget about it.

 

[playkid12]

India need to keep their spin attack intact. I don't see India going for anything less than 3 spinners in their remaining games.

The issue right now for the semifinal is - who to play between the following? Rahane or Dhawan & Shami or Mohit. Rahane and Mohit did decently today and better than Dhawan and Shami's performances this tournament. Mohit bowls wicket to wicket, Shami has pace which means risk factor is high of him leaking runs. Its more straightforward for Rahane vs Dhawan, since Rohit is an anchor, we don't need two anchors at the top. So Dhawan should be back.

Shami and Dhawan will be back. This was a dead rubber for India, as they had already sealed their semifinal spot, so it allowed them to test their bench strength.

 

[Dipak]

Horrible from the Poms

 

[Umair7]

GGHolland KTOFFH YNWA HALA Holland

 

[Dipak]

Bopara goes! All on Broad and Jordan now.
@Dutch would be dancing!