India in England Jun-Sept 2014

PokerAce said:
Once Fletcher leaves and we all know he is leaving, whether its upon India's return or after the World Cup ... who would you like to see take over. I vote Kirsten, with the resources BCCI has, I am sure he can be tempted to join. However if he doesn't, who would you like to see.
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I have a feeling that it is going to be Sanjay Bangar. His appointment as assistant coach for this ODI series is sort of an hint that he is being looked at as a possible long term replacement for Fletcher. Bangar has had a great outing with KXIP in the IPL and is growing in his credentials as coach.

If we need a foreign coach, I would vote for Stephen Fleming who has had a great stint with CSK. Also the thing going for Fleming (interesting co-incidence) is that our two most successful foreign coaches (Wright and Kirsten) are both left handed batsmen and both were openers for the respective teams that that played in international cricket. Fleming comes from the same background (left hander; opened mostly for New Zealand). He has done very well for CSK. Even when captaining NZ, he was called a very shrewd brain.[DOUBLEPOST=1408461604][/DOUBLEPOST]
PokerAce said:
Dravid would be a good idea, I am not sure about Ganguly, he has too much of a baggage he will bring with him.
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I dont think either Saurav or Rahul would be interested in coaching India this early. We still have players in the current side who have played along with both Saurav and Rahul. That could potentially lead to uncomfortable/awkward situation. I do see either Saurav or Rahul coaching India 5-8 years down the line.
 
It is silly really.

Though in India the man of the match did used to get a motorbike sometimes, and have his picture taken while sitting on it. Of course, he looked utterly ridiculous. Stick to a nice bottle of champagne, lads.
 
SaiSrini said:
I have a feeling that it is going to be Sanjay Bangar. His appointment as assistant coach for this ODI series is sort of an hint that he is being looked at as a possible long term replacement for Fletcher. Bangar has had a great outing with KXIP in the IPL and is growing in his credentials as coach.

If we need a foreign coach, I would vote for Stephen Fleming who has had a great stint with CSK. Also the thing going for Fleming (interesting co-incidence) is that our two most successful foreign coaches (Wright and Kirsten) are both left handed batsmen and both were openers for the respective teams that that played in international cricket. Fleming comes from the same background (left hander; opened mostly for New Zealand). He has done very well for CSK. Even when captaining NZ, he was called a very shrewd brain.[DOUBLEPOST=1408461604][/DOUBLEPOST]

I dont think either Saurav or Rahul would be interested in coaching India this early. We still have players in the current side who have played along with both Saurav and Rahul. That could potentially lead to uncomfortable/awkward situation. I do see either Saurav or Rahul coaching India 5-8 years down the line.
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If Bangar's IPL stint is what is the criteria, then I think we are going about it the wrong way. We have all the boxes ticked, except away wins, and I don't see how an IPL stint is in anyway a criteria to decide if as a coach the person would deliver away test wins. I have nothing against Bangar, but am merely question the criteria on which Bangar was appointed.

Fleming would be a choice I would be quite open to. He was a fantastic batsman.
 
Give it to some one else if you don't like it !
 
abhi_jacko said:
Very silly.
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Pointless. I remember when Sachin went back to play the '99 WC days after his father's passing, and got MoTM for his century the next match, he too got a Champagne. In the mourning period, in India it would not happen, but no fuss was raised. Bhuvi's dad is being a bit fussy over this. Its a common prize for whoever, they cannot change it, depending on the person's views regarding liqour, much less his dad.

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On a side note (as a joke obviously), wht are the views of the rest of the guys on Liquor. Were they deliberately underperforming, thinking, oh dear if we do well, we have to drink liqour :D
 
PokerAce said:
Fleming would be a choice I would be quite open to. He was a fantastic batsman.
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ya probably the best candidate to take over without much as he already has a good rapport with MSD, while also ticking all the boxes. Would certainly prefer fleming over banger, just for his batting and captaincy skills.
 
Aalay said:
This article probably indicates that the BCCI want Fletcher to quit. Hopefully this happens before our home series against WI.

India Cricket News: BCCI officials ramp up pressure on Fletcher | ESPN Cricinfo
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Yeah well Fletcher has been an non-existant entity. Also as long BCCI has a plan in place, it would be something most of us would support. The problem is tht we know the Aus tour is coming, and we it is going to be a disaster (we all know it). So if this is just to appease the public pressure this what will they do after Aus, where the public pressure is only going to mount.
 
Aalay said:
Pretty much expected move. I am still surprised to see Fletcher and Dhoni there. It looks like World cup that is only 6 months away now has saved Fletcher's job. However, I don't expect us to do any better under Fletcher in World cup so I think it would have been better getting a new coach. This stubborn approach of changing nothing even when we are at our lowest point in test is not going to help the team in the long term.

It is good to see Sanjay Bangar in the coaching staff because he comes in with some very good knowledge of our domestic players which current coaching staff has no idea about. A bit surprised to see Ravi Shastri there because I don't really know how he is going to help.
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This is the classic problem in India. The most typical excuse for an Indian fan. The moment the team begins to lose, the captain and most of all the coach is sleighed. I'm sorry, but the problems runs much deeper in regard to test cricket. I'll give you as honest an opinion as I can and as close to the truth as possible, without any bias.

First of all, India is a limited overs country. Our board's endless lust for money means that the national team is practically playing round the year and majority of it is limited overs cricket. If anyone on this board truly believes that India isn't the best limited overs team in any given conditions then they're lunatics. We've proven this around the globe and it's simply not appreciated enough. Look at England, they're almost always playing test cricket and they're still awful. How many majors have they won since the limited overs version began?

India did, will and will always struggle to win test series abroad. They're a talented enough bunch to have the odd sporadic sparkling performance, but if things are the way they are then they will always be behind the game. Why?

1) Look at the amount of cricket MS Dhoni plays compared to a Matt Prior, Brad Haddin or a Michael Clarke? The difference is chalk and cheese. The only guy that came close to his work load used to be AB de Villiers, but he also wasn't skipper and keeper across all formats. I think Dhoni's contribution is very very under rated and he's always in the eye of the storm thanks to some idiotic fans and journalists that lack vision. If India decide to sack him as limited overs captain, it will be the most stupid decision in the history of the BCCI. Also, I don't like his captaincy in tests and he might get the axe but who's going to replace him? I think he'll give up all captaincy himself post Australia and the WC, but India must stick with him for now. In his defence?

a) England have Anderson & Broad.
b) Australia have the best attack in the world. It makes Clarke look special, the same Clarke who was the 'cheap pretty boy' after his shocker in India. Test cricket is harsh. The captain is only as good as his attack. India's frankly is sh!t!
c) Pakistan have Ajmal and a fast developing Junaid.
d) SL have Herath.
e) SA have the best quicks group - a spinner.

Each serious test nation, has a world class bowler. I know Bhuvi was exceptional on the tour, but he's a work horse. He's not going to frighten even tail enders.

2) If India want to do well in tests, they need to start valuing their test bowlers. You've got a well rounded test attack that can really grow now in Aaron, Ishant and Bhuvi but if you're going to burn them out playing meaningless ODI's against SL on flat decks, then you're always going to get a tired fast bowler in the third test abroad. MANAGE fast bowlers. They're like gold dust in India anyway. Hell, forget Anderson and Broad, Australia even makes sure Michael Clarke isn't playing meaningless ODI's, let alone Ryan Harris or Mitchell Johnson.

3) STOP blaming the captain and the coach. They cannot bowl/bat for you. Yes, MSD got a few tactics really wrong but it's a complicated affair when your batsmen can't bat more than 90 overs for two straight tests, they can't catch in the slips and the bowling is good to begin with but tires fast. India didn't lose this series because of poor tactics. India lost this series because there was a longevity issue with their quality of cricket and because they simply don't play often enough in seeming conditions against fast bowlers of the quality of Anderson and Broad.
 
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