India in England Jun-Sept 2014

[ParkedTheBus]

There are more Indian fans than English fans. Just plain sad.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

I can appreciate its history and tradition but thats that other than that its just ENG and AUS playing yet another test series against each other to outsiders and by no means will the 8 and half nation accept it as pinnacle of cricket.

8 and half?

Also I had no idea ODIs came before test cricket.

 

[grkrama]

You haven't experienced white washing the equivalent to your ashes side after playing over 100 years against each other. I can understand what you're saying but every young English boy wants to win the Ashes but not every Indian boy dreams of beating Pakistan and I'm sure Englishmen will take the Ashes over the World Cup any day.

You have no idea what a young indian player wants, he wants to do being part of wc and beating Pakistan in WC is the highest highs. the ashes rivalry for all is oldness cant compare to the levels of indo pak rivalry, just once in your life time get a ticket for an indo pak match and you will know.

while it may not be 100 odd years we have been playing against each other since partition that's almost 60 year+ and so we do know it, again you need to get your facts right mate.

what would you prefer it to be?

blu

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

There are more Indian fans than English fans. Just plain sad.

Apart from the fact that its T20s and not proper cricket, your point is well taken. If its just Indians supporting India that is still okay, but if those fans are Brit nationals (2nd or 3rd gen too), as I think they are, then yes they should be supporting Eng not India.

But having said that, since its not proper cricket, lets sit back and watch some sixes ... which is the whole point of T20s. Why are there T20 INt'ls is beyond me.[DOUBLEPOST=1410100419][/DOUBLEPOST]

blu

I know blue is the preferred color, but IF they were to change, what would you prefer.

 

[grkrama]

8 and half?

Im still skeptical of eng fans saying aus are also all consumed by Ashes, i can understand their point that it is their most beloved trophy because of tradition history etc, but to say that nothing else matters or that you will forget a world cup win once ashes starts is laughable considering how one sided ashes are mostly and sort of negligent /insulting to cricket in general.

I would say aus too would cherish ashes equally like eng fans but they wont dismiss other forms of cricket or competitions like eng do and would like to prove their worth there too.

I know blue is the preferred color, but IF they were to change, what would you prefer.

bloo[DOUBLEPOST=1410100812][/DOUBLEPOST]

if those fans are Brit nationals (2nd or 3rd gen too), as I think they are, then yes they should be supporting Eng not India.

Im ok with them supporting india, but what is pathetic and very poor would be booing or abusing ENG players like moeen etc after all he is the same as the ones booing him, the article that war mentioned highlighted that specifically.

 

[ParkedTheBus]

the ashes rivalry for all is oldness cant compare to the levels of indo pak rivalry

My friend this is just bullshit. An Ashes match in Australia has a better atmosphere than anything India-Pakistan will offer. This is not to belittle the Indo-Pak rivalry but Ashes is just a class above.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

I would say aus too would cherish ashes equally like eng fans but they wont dismiss other forms of cricket or competitions like eng do and would like to prove their worth there too.

I think you have nailed Aussie attitude towards the World Cup.

No one has a problem with Eng cherishing they Ashes, they totally should. That they prefer the Ashes to winning the World Cup is okay too. But to say nothing else matters, not even the WC is just nonsense. I am all for celebrating the Ashes, but pushing the WC into doesn't matter and forgettable tournament categories is nonsense.

bloo

 

[grkrama]

An Ashes match in Australia has a better atmosphere than anything India-Pakistan will offer. This is not to belittle the Indo-Pak rivalry but Ashes is just a class above.

haha then its a point we have to disagree as fans of respective teams i guess.

I can type paragraph's describing why Indo-PAK is the biggest rivalry, but i will spare both of us of it.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

My friend this is just bullshit. An Ashes match in Australia has a better atmosphere than anything India-Pakistan will offer. This is not to belittle the Indo-Pak rivalry but Ashes is just a class above.

The ashes is just a sporting rivarly. It started on the cricket field and ends on the cricket field. Thats the extent of if. Its just a sporting rivalry. Indo-Pak rivalry is not just a sporting rivalry.

India and Pakistan are not arch rivals because of something that happened on a damn cricket field, and someone burnt the stumps. That rivalry between Ind-Pak has all the history and bitterness and the scars of partition and the 4 wars fought between the nations, the political rivalry all spill into it. You cannot even start to compare all this to a mere sporting rivalry.

Even before there ever was an Ind-Pak match, this rivalry existed, purely from all the history. It doesn't start or end on a field.

India Pakistan is thus a rivalry in all areas. Even if an Indian and Pakistani are playing chess, an India who has never played chess in his life, who doesn't even understand chess, and has no clue what is going, will still desperately want the Indian to beat the Pakistani and vice versa. India Pak rivalry is not a mere sporting rivalry, which didn't start on the cricket field and doesn't end on the cricket field. Because Cricket is so popular in both countries this is where the rivalry, spills over at its highest and its most intense.

The craze for the Ashes doesn't even spill beyond the cricket watching population in England, which is very limited. In a major indo pak match/series two nations (not just cricket followers) come to a standstill.

Ind Pak rivalry is not limited to a sport or the cricket field. The rivalry is far deeper, and there is a very painful history behind it all. The ashes cannot even start to compare to this rivalry.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

Anyway coming back to what is happening on the field, some good catches taken amidst all the six hitting.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

It seems in the pre-match, meeting Ind said only Rahane is allowed to take catches. Ashwin dropped his, Rahane has taken 4, and its clear Rayudu was not present at this meeting, and no one bothered to tell him the plan.

 

[grkrama]

nice Rocky bgm in stadium

 

[MUFC1987]

It's an interesting plan by the England brains trust to bowl short and on the pads to Dhawan, with fine leg up in the circle. And by interesting I mean stupid of course.

I think we've seen why India aren't likely to win a World T20 again for a little while today though. On a pitch that suited their spinners, they had England in all sorts of trouble, yet the death bowling was so very poor that England still posted a par score. If they bowl like that at the end of the innings, against teams that can play spin in the middle overs, then they're going to be chasing massive scores.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

It's an interesting plan by the England brains trust to bowl short and on the pads to Dhawan, with fine leg up in the circle. And by interesting I mean stupid of course.

I think we've seen why India aren't likely to win a World T20 again for a little while today though. On a pitch that suited their spinners, they had England in all sorts of trouble, yet the death bowling was so very poor that England still posted a par score. If they bowl like that at the end of the innings, against teams that can play spin in the middle overs, then they're going to be chasing massive scores.

I think for a while India have been poor in the end overs. They do need to find a solution quickly especially in ODIs, with the WC coming up. That is the one glaring incompleteness in the side, among a few smaller and more manageable issues.

 

[SaiSrini]

It's an interesting plan by the England brains trust to bowl short and on the pads to Dhawan, with fine leg up in the circle. And by interesting I mean stupid of course.

I think we've seen why India aren't likely to win a World T20 again for a little while today though. On a pitch that suited their spinners, they had England in all sorts of trouble, yet the death bowling was so very poor that England still posted a par score. If they bowl like that at the end of the innings, against teams that can play spin in the middle overs, then they're going to be chasing massive scores.

We reached the final of the last one. And in T20, you just cannot predict based on such behavior and say India aren't likely to win a World T20 in a while. Suddenly if one of our bowlers get it right for even a single over in the death in a T20, it will completely turn the match upside down and that would be enough for us to go forward.

On the current innings, Kohli is showing his revenge in the wrong game. He is probably relieved that this is the last game of the tour.